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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 11:51:41 GMT -6
Joel, I should email you about that trip. Much exploration, sensor wires everywhere, much activity. <sigh>
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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 11:46:23 GMT -6
I did something just yesterday, while driving back from TX. I stopped just this side of the AZ border long enough for one stand. I had a coyote come in at the 8 minute mark and she stopped a little over 50 yards from me. I tried to shoot her just behind the shoulder, but I forgot to take off the safety. Just that amount of fumbling and she turned to look at me so I rushed the shot and hit her square through both shoulders. The off side leg was just hanging by a few strips of skin.
So, even old pros screw up and this was only possible because of a 62 grain bullet @ 3810fps. A similar event with a seventeen and you might never find the runner? These things happen, if you spend enough time in the field. Like they say over on the dark side, surgical precision is the key. Don't mess up or you will pay for your mistakes.
And, I have seen my share of dead coyotes poorly shot with a 17. They look worse than your average 243. (not shot by me, BTW.)
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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 11:32:34 GMT -6
No, I didn't say that I did not write that post. That was a collective reference to all 17 caliber aficionados. They are generally filled with extreme optimism after seeing a few impressive kills at moderate ranges and assume this is the new death ray and it will kill at all distances and every angle and bullet placement. It is a great tool if those people would quit drinking the koolaide over on the dark side. (Coyote Gods) Like Clint once said: A man needs to know his limitations. Same with sub caliber stuff; keep your shots at stationary targets within 150 yards, or so and be thankful if you don't get too many surface blowups and runners.
I included you in the group of 17 wonks who refuse to accept reality, but I did not change your screen name. That was somebody else's' doing.
So, although the question is about fur loads in 243 and now we are arguing sub calibers and their application.....I will tell you something just as off topic as your contribution: I never met a contest hunter that uses any type of 17. I never met a serious night hunter that uses a 17, unless for the stray cat, if he can grab it in time. You have a narrow application, Amigo. Be aware of it and you should be happy. But please don't pound sand up our ass. LB
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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 2:00:22 GMT -6
You have someone else to thank for your new screen name, I have been in Texas for the past week, out of cell phone and internet access, and damned few coyotes.
other question. my 22-250AI is 1in14 also. But, unless you can drive a 65 grain at 3925fps, don't expect them to stabilize in a Swift.
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Post by lb on Feb 21, 2012 23:30:28 GMT -6
Yes, that's about how it works. BUT. There are different types of group howls and they have different descriptive names. But, still. That is not the type of "howl" we expect for them to come in to. One type, could be? The morning serenade, called by various other names, I have seen coyotes do that group yodel and come right in. Kind of rare though. Start to finish, I mean. LB
Is that confusing enough? There are no sure fire answers, with howling.
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Post by lb on Feb 11, 2012 17:09:16 GMT -6
Well, this is something I have been talking about for a very long time. A relatively heavy bullet should steam right through a coyote doing very little damage, but you can't count on every presentation at every distance to result in a clean passthrough. My 22-250 with 65 grain Bergers is an exception, it almost always results in an entrance and exit and very little external damage. I can almost bet money on it. Some of the others, well? If you don't hit major bone, you won't blow them up, but at distance, you cannot be so sure of the angle and exact placement, so good luck and if it happens, at least he's dead and you find him, and not a runner that will die somewhere else? That happens with a 17 more often than the cheerleaders will admit. LB
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Post by lb on Feb 11, 2012 13:43:52 GMT -6
Not really? I have seen my share of 17 caliber DRT although it was a long time ago. The problem with 17 wonks is we must concede everything. All coyotes are DRT and there are no limitations whatsoever, 400 yards; routine stuff. Hello? A bad hit with a 17 and you have a runner. A coyote shot through the hips with a 243 and he dies. Right there.
I'm okay with the question. The man has a 243 and asks a reasonable question; for which there are no easy answers. The beside the point reply is to rave about a 17? That may make sense in your world but other people might not have the means or the wherewithal. LB
PS congratulations on your discipline, I hope you continue to limit your shots to what is possible, and prudent. LB
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Post by lb on Jan 30, 2012 22:29:03 GMT -6
I guess you know more than I do. Good luck, LB
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Post by lb on Jan 29, 2012 11:31:49 GMT -6
You are never going to get a coyote to come in if you are throwing group howls at him.
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Post by lb on Jan 27, 2012 12:24:42 GMT -6
I think it can be counterproductive to keep up a conversation with a coyote, or coyotes. In my opinion, when they go silent is when they have decided to come in. If you keep responding, they tend to stay put and defend their territory. I think a silent coyote is one that is approaching the stand.
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Post by lb on Jan 22, 2012 14:23:40 GMT -6
I don't know much about rifles suited for a left hand shooter. The Encore type is one option, I guess? Be prepared to spend enough on glass, I wouldn't settle for less than a mid quality Leupold, a Elite, or maybe a Nikon?
I wonder if an LED light might be too bright? Maybe with a red filter, but I don't use them, so don't know? I don't think they focus tight enough, but don't know for sure?
It would be far better to go out with a partner who will handle the light while you concentrate on shooting.
Good luck, LB
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Post by lb on Jan 19, 2012 15:04:16 GMT -6
Yes. Quit trying to apply logic. Accept good advice. Continuous sound actually works better, on average. As a matter of fact, I have seldom heard the sounds, in nature that we use all the time to attract predators. The rabbit sounds I have heard is a pitiful low wail, never the loud excited sound in all the recordings. Which, by the way, are usually made by terrifying, or torturing the animal in a net. But, why fight it? It works. Save the pitiful low wail for coaxing the hung up animal.
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GUN OIL
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Post by lb on Jan 17, 2012 23:26:42 GMT -6
graphite or none, as in completely degrease the action, especially the bolt assembly. That would be my suggestion.
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Post by lb on Jan 10, 2012 16:47:51 GMT -6
Good pic! Maybe you are using a lure or a scent that is specific to males? I don't see how there could be another possibility, other than random? Also, I don't know a damned thing about reds, never killed one. We have grays.
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Post by lb on Jan 10, 2012 11:19:31 GMT -6
Statistical abnormality, I suspect. I have killed a dozen male coyotes in a row, kind of remarkable, but just one of those things. Grays are supposed to be more aggressive towards Reds? I don't think they get along?
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Post by lb on Jan 7, 2012 0:36:00 GMT -6
I don't know, never done it and I don't want to give you bum advice?
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Post by lb on Jan 6, 2012 8:37:01 GMT -6
This is what I have heard, from others that have coon populations. Use coon fight. They come fast and lose interest just as fast. I have no opinion whatsoever on spacing out your stands, but if the trees are as close as you say, you might want to come back on subsequent days because I think they all are going to hear your sound and they aren't entirely stupid. LB
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Post by lb on Dec 25, 2011 11:55:01 GMT -6
Hmm? I have a whole collection. But. The one I use and recommend is the Polecat by Stoney Point. I use the sitting model, 25 to 43". However, it's a little heavier, but the standing model works very well, for sitting. The thing is, sometimes you have to stand, for visibility. LB
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Post by lb on Dec 20, 2011 9:52:48 GMT -6
I know how that works...but there is no guarantee. I had a 100 gr. Sierra Spitzer loaded for deer in my 6MM and had occasion to use it on a few coyotes. I wouldn't recommend it. 50/50 proposition. LB
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Post by lb on Dec 19, 2011 22:13:17 GMT -6
When you find it, let me know. LB
Maybe a 90 Nosler partition will exit without too much damage? If you don't hit bone. If you are lucky.
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