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Post by RiverRat on Dec 19, 2011 20:54:47 GMT -6
?? Any advice
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Post by lb on Dec 19, 2011 22:13:17 GMT -6
When you find it, let me know. LB
Maybe a 90 Nosler partition will exit without too much damage? If you don't hit bone. If you are lucky.
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Post by Jason Cox on Dec 20, 2011 8:43:48 GMT -6
The coyotes that I have shot with my 243 have been in good shape,I am shooting a 100 grain pointed soft point.Maybe I have been lucky but the exit holes have been about the size of a quarter.
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Post by lb on Dec 20, 2011 9:52:48 GMT -6
I know how that works...but there is no guarantee. I had a 100 gr. Sierra Spitzer loaded for deer in my 6MM and had occasion to use it on a few coyotes. I wouldn't recommend it. 50/50 proposition. LB
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Post by 17Wonk on Feb 11, 2012 12:02:53 GMT -6
No such thing, the 17 centerfire is the king of fur friendly rounds. 25 grain hp at 3500 fps and never look back. I know lb will go on about how they wont kill coyotes but I've shot so many that are DRT that I would be shocked if one ran off.
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Post by lb on Feb 11, 2012 13:43:52 GMT -6
Not really? I have seen my share of 17 caliber DRT although it was a long time ago. The problem with 17 wonks is we must concede everything. All coyotes are DRT and there are no limitations whatsoever, 400 yards; routine stuff. Hello? A bad hit with a 17 and you have a runner. A coyote shot through the hips with a 243 and he dies. Right there.
I'm okay with the question. The man has a 243 and asks a reasonable question; for which there are no easy answers. The beside the point reply is to rave about a 17? That may make sense in your world but other people might not have the means or the wherewithal. LB
PS congratulations on your discipline, I hope you continue to limit your shots to what is possible, and prudent.
LB
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 11, 2012 14:59:42 GMT -6
I have one that does a great job on the vastmajority of coyotes. 95 grain Nolser Bal tip with H-4350 powder does a great job at anchoring them with the majority being in great shape for saving fur. The key is the consruction of these bullets in realtion to the speed at which they are run mine aren't hot loads but very accurate and consistant across a crono and do a great job on coyotes.
As soon as I can get my hands on some of the new accu bonds in 6mm I'm going to try a few of those. But the Nosler 95 is built far different in the jacket than the varmint offerings in 6mm.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 11, 2012 15:03:59 GMT -6
Here are a few finding the exit holes tough and front on shots rarely do they exit at all.   |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 11, 2012 15:06:02 GMT -6
 This is a 200 yrd zero out of my savage model 10 rifle using Hornady brass, Nolser 95's and 40.8 of H-4350. Those squares are 1"each.  |
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Post by lb on Feb 11, 2012 17:09:16 GMT -6
Well, this is something I have been talking about for a very long time. A relatively heavy bullet should steam right through a coyote doing very little damage, but you can't count on every presentation at every distance to result in a clean passthrough. My 22-250 with 65 grain Bergers is an exception, it almost always results in an entrance and exit and very little external damage. I can almost bet money on it. Some of the others, well? If you don't hit major bone, you won't blow them up, but at distance, you cannot be so sure of the angle and exact placement, so good luck and if it happens, at least he's dead and you find him, and not a runner that will die somewhere else? That happens with a 17 more often than the cheerleaders will admit. LB
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Post by 17Wonk on Feb 22, 2012 9:26:09 GMT -6
I must admit, ALL my predator calling is focused on cats(did you guys happen to see the NAFA top lot cats went for $1600 each this week?). Coyotes are drive by's and incidentals. But at $70 plus for heavy western coyotes it's nice to not blow them up either!
Sorry for being off topic, that 95 grain BT is a great deer load as well.
p.s. Thanks for the new screen name lb!
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Post by trappnman on Feb 22, 2012 10:16:51 GMT -6
I have ZERO dogs in this hunt-
but................
I remember watching a calling video from a well known (I knew the name when I saw it, but can't remember), and the narrator was commenting "here he comes, etc and etc."
then bang, bang, bang..............
and the commentator says- "and there he goes............and yet, he still likes that 17....."
can't remember who or the name of the tape...
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 22, 2012 11:44:49 GMT -6
17wonk shoot them past 200 yrds in wind and see if your recovery rate stays the same. .17 and .204 not serious coyote calibers IMO.
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Post by stickbowhntr on Feb 22, 2012 14:01:33 GMT -6
I have one that does a great job on the vastmajority of coyotes. 95 grain Nolser Bal tip with H-4350 powder does a great job at anchoring them with the majority being in great shape for saving fur. The key is the consruction of these bullets in realtion to the speed at which they are run mine aren't hot loads but very accurate and consistant across a crono and do a great job on coyotes. As soon as I can get my hands on some of the new accu bonds in 6mm I'm going to try a few of those. But the Nosler 95 is built far different in the jacket than the varmint offerings in 6mm. OUT of YOUR GUn any idea just how fast that is? Thanks. |
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Post by stickbowhntr on Feb 22, 2012 14:09:08 GMT -6
Well, this is something I have been talking about for a very long time. A relatively heavy bullet should steam right through a coyote doing very little damage, but you can't count on every presentation at every distance to result in a clean passthrough. My 22-250 with 65 grain Bergers is an exception, it almost always results in an entrance and exit and very little external damage. I can almost bet money on it. Some of the others, well? If you don't hit major bone, you won't blow them up, but at distance, you cannot be so sure of the angle and exact placement, so good luck and if it happens, at least he's dead and you find him, and not a runner that will die somewhere else? That happens with a 17 more often than the cheerleaders will admit. LB How fast and/or what twist you running the 65 Bergers at to get any accuray? Would love to try in my Swift but 14 twist |
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Post by 17Wonk on Feb 22, 2012 17:22:39 GMT -6
17wonk shoot them past 200 yrds in wind and see if your recovery rate stays the same. .17 and .204 not serious coyote calibers IMO. I admit the topic didn't say .17, BUT it did say "best fur load", not best recovery load. If we didn't care about fur we'd just use .300's and call it good. Only click on the below link if you have an open mind and don't like sewing hides. www.coyotegods.com/pagepart15.html |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 22, 2012 22:25:01 GMT -6
There is no BEST fur load to cover coyotes, then fox and then bobcats and keep it all proficant across varying geographic regions.
The load I'm using for "coyotes" is very fur friendly and anchors them far better across a broad spectrum 0-500 yrds than any 17,20 or 22 cal will do. The post was I believe mentioned about coyotes.
The little sewing one would have to do would be very minimal for most coyotes shot, but will still have them dirt napping with authority. For "coyotes" a win/win.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 22, 2012 22:36:24 GMT -6
Another late spring coyote called and shot at 90 yrds enterance hole :  Exit hole a tad biiger than a quarter but sucks the life outof them DOA  |
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Post by 17Wonk on Feb 22, 2012 23:06:09 GMT -6
Guess were just looking at things from two different perspectives, maybe your gettin paid for predator control? In my neck of the woods we "farm" our fur and would never shoot a rubbed dog like that.
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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 2:00:22 GMT -6
You have someone else to thank for your new screen name, I have been in Texas for the past week, out of cell phone and internet access, and damned few coyotes.
other question. my 22-250AI is 1in14 also. But, unless you can drive a 65 grain at 3925fps, don't expect them to stabilize in a Swift.
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