|
|
Post by trappnman on Sept 6, 2015 5:48:53 GMT -6
the discussion wasn't about price- price is easy- charge what you want, if they don't like it, they can say no
|
|
|
|
Post by blackhammer on Sept 6, 2015 7:16:43 GMT -6
Black hammer to bad you did not ask me at the Minn conference and I would have put you in touch with two Manitoba trappers and their ADC COST in Canada and this thread would not have gotten to 6 pages The only coyotes in wolf country are ones the trappers get in their travelsDOR and claim on their sales records LOL I wish we had a chance to visit more on in Bemidji. You kind of disappeared. Next time. You aren't headed down to Gerald's again thi syear are you. I hope to get over there. |
|
|
|
Post by northof50 on Sept 6, 2015 8:42:16 GMT -6
Gerald's is on our Thanksgiving and just prior to our rat season, and I will be putting out floats, but I sure miss Dorren's cooking.
The 4000 coyotes for Minn seems low cause Man regularly harvest 7-8000 and those 2 individuals do 800 plus and 30 wolves combined.
I had to take in Marbleyes's and Rally's presentations, cause Rally always need a Canadian in the crowd to mock 1/8 underwater snares
|
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 6, 2015 14:16:50 GMT -6
To silly how EXACTLY?
|
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Sept 7, 2015 6:34:55 GMT -6
1) its been said many times, that no one is arguing that spring trapping isn't the best reward for the effort- but you refuse to acknowledge that a dead predator, is a dead predatorthat isn't eating. It all matters
2) increasing wildlife numbers by a few critters matters, whereas with sheep, fish, cows I don't care and has nothing to do with the discussion
3) 53,000 coyotes killed in Mn each year? I mean, think.
4) Wabasha county is 550 sq miles- a little more than a 1/3 of that is Mississippi River, other rivers, and lots and lots of steep sheer hills and coulees. tell me again how 4000 coyotes live here?
and when I state about the area I trap- describing the habitat and the prey situation, and state (as did Slim I guess when he said "coyotes in his area seem to fill in slow" and that's exactly what we see here. Also, what we found in our study, and what the dnr states on their link, is that the average lifespan of the coyote here is about 2 years- and as TRay said, the high turnover might explain the low cow/fawn predation rate....when I state this- and I didn't just fall off the truck, I'm out in he fields observing almost 365.you tell me I'm wrong?
that's whats silly
northof50- there is no one in Mn, taking close to 800 coyotes, or 500 or 400 or I even doubt 200. I do know a couple that take a 100+, with a combo of snaring and traps and calling- and I have no doubt there are a few others I don't know about and maybe there is that unknown that takes 200+ a year- but coyote trapping in Mn and in general really, is a tight knit community, and any real big number guys up here, I'd know.
Few really take it serious- lots of reasons- weather, coyote quality, the heritage of water trapping and the work involved- running a 100 trap mink or even coon line is nothing to running 100 coyote sets insofar as line management, maintenance and even the vast number of permissions one needs to catch a fair amount of coyotes.
|
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 8, 2015 18:12:27 GMT -6
Tman if spring time is the best bang for the buck as you have stated, then how can a dead predator just be a dead predator? You feel your getting the same net gain for a coyote killed in May and June versus Ocotber on the killing of deer fawns?
Think: If maximizing the deer Hurd is the most Imortant to the landowner or lease person then how can we make the statement that a dead predator is just as good in October and Novemeber as it is in May and June? The science and Facts will not show the same. Again unless doing wide spread control work your making just a mere dent in the population in the fall , as your working with the highest population in a yearly lifecycle of both predator and prey. Easy math really.
|
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Sept 9, 2015 7:00:25 GMT -6
WS then, should just hire folks for 2 months a year- because there is no reason, ever, to kill any coyote except when pups in the den.
you ever see the movie Catch 22?
|
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 9, 2015 17:36:42 GMT -6
Actually some are seasonal positions in predator control. The season would be March 1st/ August for the safest bet over a decent size district. You still have some tha fill in even after the early dens are taken out as the pups get Mobil Mid July so you get fill in or some that move up for various reasons, sheep moved a distance, wild fires displace coyotes as well and other factors, for the best bang for the buck though we are still talking the same window March/ August for the benefit of spring calver's and sheep men or to maximize wildlife recruitment of fawns of many species, not October no matter how we slice it.
|
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Sept 9, 2015 19:30:28 GMT -6
TC- seriously- the point was made multiple times-
spring might be BEST
but fall is not WORTHLESS.
what escapes you on that?
|
|
|
|
Post by aaroncurtis on Sept 9, 2015 21:37:12 GMT -6
In ultra simple terms the spring is the BEST time to kill coyotes. Also in simple terms........a dead coyote whenever its killed is not a bad thing.......even if it's not the best thing. Everyone's agrees with that right? I understand and agree with what TC has said as it pertains to getting the most bang for your buck. But I also understand that a stone dead coyote is preferred over a live coyote no matter when its killed. At least to me it is.
|
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Sept 10, 2015 7:19:16 GMT -6
I would say that sums it up aaron
|
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 10, 2015 15:38:10 GMT -6
The benefit of an October Killed coyote when speaking in terms of keeping prey species numbers higher for more than a mere second in time, is about nill.
Sorry that is just factual. Those fawns are now close to full grown, the ones that where killed in large numbers are already dead, the scope of an area one would need to cover and the amount of coyotes percentage wise one would need to kill to show any evidence that October killing of coyotes has an impact on the total for any REAL length of time well it would be a major under taking. Nothing more or less.
Again it takes me back to the point one trapper made his 3 weeks in ND had helped those cattle ranches out for the entire year I say to that BS. I know the area, the population of coyotes and for him to say he was picking up what the WS plane left behind well again BS. he is there in October when the population is at it's highest post mange, working a population based on 50 percent or more young of the year coyotes. He has the numbers to trap coyotes because he is ON CATTLE RANCHES LOL.
|
|
