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Post by bobwendt on Mar 25, 2007 9:12:56 GMT -6
depends on how fat they are. I`d imagine fall trout compare to spring trout are about like how fall to spring coons would be, fat % wise..
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Post by Bob Jameson on Mar 25, 2007 15:48:47 GMT -6
If you have 50 gal of trout byproduct and could transfer that bulk to smaller more thermal sensitive containers you would collect more trout oil then you could use by far.I need several gal so when you get your system up and running give me a call.
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Post by creekboy on Mar 25, 2007 16:36:22 GMT -6
dang dude-put an alligator suit on if your going to frequent these boards-the trapper is always out numbered-2 minutes at the set and the world has 23 hours and 58 minutes to put the screws to you -i dont have any idea how much crap has been stolen from me over the years or by whom-but if i did keep track i would need medication to get over it
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Post by CoonDuke on Mar 25, 2007 17:33:23 GMT -6
I would assume that trout from a fee fishing pond would be readily stocked with trout from a nursery. Nursery trout are fed pellets that contain fish meal I believe or some other fish byproducts.
Trout from the nursery are fat, and have a strong fishy odor...I assume from the feed. Freshly stocked trout also have such a strong fishy taste, so strong that I prefer not to eat them.
I have made oil from trout heads and guts, and it produces a large amount of oil. Most of the fat is in the parts you would normally throw away.
After you separate the oil from the fish juice, it will have a strong rotton odor. The oil needs to age, and it will develop an almost sweet odor.
I believe that one of the most popular lures ever put on the market contains a good amount of sun rendered fish oil.
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Post by wcollinge2000 on Mar 25, 2007 18:37:57 GMT -6
was just venting as the thread change so much. I guess I got carried away sorry folks. so I deleted it.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Mar 25, 2007 18:40:40 GMT -6
wm- the threads here change all the time. whatver tangents we go on, thats the way it goes.
free association is encouraged ....
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Post by crichards on Mar 25, 2007 20:41:14 GMT -6
Bob what smaller, more efficient containers are you suggesting. ideas, facts ect.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Mar 25, 2007 21:14:16 GMT -6
Clean sturdy 5 gal buckets with good 0-ring sealing lids would work or other plastic type containers that can be sealed well then vented to allow gas escape. Fill them 2/3 full give or take to allow for some initial expansion of the tissue as it begins to breakdown. The smaller containers allow the material to solarize more quickly and efficiently each day. Larger volumes take much more time to work down. Glass or plastic will work however plastic is safer and more user friendly.
Setting on hard top or concrete will enhance workup time due to the heat transfer. A flat roof of a shed really pushes the envelope too but you must take precautions to secure your containers due to winds if doing that method.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 26, 2007 5:49:54 GMT -6
another tip. spray paint your containors black if you want to up production trime a gazillion fold. when trapping in remote western areas with no electricity or running water , for bathing I fill two, 2 and 1/2 gallon jugs spray painted black with stream water every morning and leave out in the sun. by evening on sunny days it is so hot as too almost be too hot for showers.
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Post by k9 on Mar 26, 2007 5:58:03 GMT -6
You bathe?
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 26, 2007 6:36:35 GMT -6
every day, winter or not. the longest I ever went was about 2 weeks when steve craig and I lived in a tent on the navajo in febuary and it was sub zero daily, or worse. we finally went into town after 2weeks and rented a room for one night so we could shower. had to turn the temp down to 60 degrees as any hotter and we were burning up. serious. our bodies had aclimated to the cold and we couldn`t take 72 degrees. I had a pair of live kit fox I was worried the coyotes would bust in and kill while we were gone so we took them cages and all into the motel room with us. set the little buggars up on the luggage rat. I remember another time jim leimbacher ( now deceased) and I left a bathtub in a nasty joint filled with 100 rat carcases we skinned in the motel room one night. we took our baths first and leaving town the next morning and didn`t like the old bag that ran the joint so just left them as a tip. heck, now I try to buy rat carcases and can`t get any. who`d a thunk it?
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Post by k9 on Mar 26, 2007 6:45:17 GMT -6
Now that's funny.
I was building fence for the forest service in Wyoming with a couple other guys, and we were living in a wall tent. One of the guys bathed every day in the trout stream going by our tent. Some days he had to break ice on the edges of the stream on his way in. Made my sack sink all the way into my chest just thinking about it. That water was cold.
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Post by musher on Mar 27, 2007 14:37:29 GMT -6
I have access to trout that i sometimes use as dog food. However, the trout has ash dumped on it. This is to prevent it from being sold as human food and also as an extra nutrient for dogs.
Would that affect the oil? I don not know what the ash comes from.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 27, 2007 15:18:52 GMT -6
no.
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Post by garman on Mar 28, 2007 10:54:01 GMT -6
Bob, if you need rat carcasses I may know of a provider, same with mink carcasses just pm me.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 28, 2007 14:20:54 GMT -6
I always need rat carcases, always. never need mink carcases. see my ad in the classifieds for rat carcases. it goes into a little more detail what sa carcase and what is not.
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Post by HappyPlumber on Mar 28, 2007 15:39:36 GMT -6
How about Lake Trout from lake Michigan. Could get a lot of oil from those carcasses. HP
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Post by Bob Jameson on Mar 28, 2007 17:11:03 GMT -6
Yes you certainly could if one could get enough access to them by catching or frequently visiting a cleaning station. A few buckets of discarded tails, heads and belly cuts would do nicely. What ever you have extra keep me in mind.
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Post by edge on Apr 13, 2007 22:29:07 GMT -6
**Well he's about 5 min Into the class and he stops and asks me to stand up and then introduces me as one of his past students. Now I had a pretty good rep as a good trapper and he made It sound like he was that reason. I just about wanted to puke. He was slick. **
I had a similar experience Beav.....the guy came highly recommended(mostly by himself)but others said he was th real deal.......supposedly the great educator.....he didnt know chit,didnt teach chit and couldnt produce chit.....absolute joke.Also turned out to be quite the liar on several other fronts........
Edge
PS Whats Nelsons Bait Formula?...Must be that stuff I got from Jager......
BAWAAHAAHAAHAA!!!
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Post by SteveCraig on Apr 14, 2007 8:58:19 GMT -6
Bob Wendt said. " I`m kind of thinking I didn`t say what I wanted and this is coming out wrong, but maybe you get my drift."
You said a mouthfull in that post. I just hope and pray that everyone reading it will take it to heart.
Read between the lines. There is more there than meets the eye.
I have thought just like you, and very much agree with you that my idols today would be Robert and Rich. Great minds think alike! hehe And i really believe the reason we both think that ,is because Robert and Rich both remind us of two young bucks from Indiana that hit the "boom" in the prime of our trapping lives! Plus I also think it has to do with them both being great snaremen! hehe
Today.........It is just nice to hunt and trap, and not worry about the bills getting paid. I can catch most everything I want to catch, when I want to catch it, and how i want to catch it, whenever and however I please. This year for the first time in my life I was able to call as many bobcats as I trapped. Actually I called more than I trapped, but clients keep missing them!. I took two weeks off and trapped a few bobcats out of state as well as a few in state. Had a ball. Did it out of a tent too just like me and Bob used to do. I can say that my tent days are over though. A man has to know his limitations and i have finally reached mine as far as tent trapping goes!
I plan on hitting a few more lines, not to make money, but just to have fun. I can afford to do that now in my life, and i have already caught just about every critter in numbers that I need to. Dont have to prove nothing to anyone anymore but myself. But that guy"myself" keeps getting easier to please with each passing year.
Now for good ole Dan!!!!!
It was my bait that he peddled all over the US on those motel instruction trips. I bet I delievered 5 or 6 pickup loads of Nelson bait to Dan. He sold it all, and i simply couldnt make enough for him. I used to buy all of Fuller Laugemans bobcat carcusses to get enough bobcat meat. Finally had to go to horse meat to get enough. Even ran out of that! Like to never got paid for it too. One of those deals like me and Bob ran into with a critter called M**e McN**ce. Another scroundrel to say the least. Quick buck shyster for sure. But at least I did finally get paid, but it took a while.
Steve
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