Bill Nelsons Bait Formula

[tonymalone]

is it a formula you mix, or already mixed or where you can get it don't seem to be able to find it thanks.

[bobwendt]

get ahold of rk660. he sells it pre mixed or add your own meat.

[braveheart]

If you want the formula give me a e-mail.It is easy to make and make gallons of it your self.

[bobwendt]

throwing all the ingredients togather is like making a cake., but not all cakes turn out. smell the nelson from 4 different suppliers and it is from possum sewer to sweet gold ,pending the source and if fish oil or fish juice is used, rot times on the meet and how chincy one is on the glands and when it is fixed. I use about 3 gallon a year and can buy it cheaper than make 3 gallon lots . serious. and I`ve got the original signed by bill formula and instructions step by step.

[braveheart]

I was never showed or told to use fish juice the first mistake and can put glands in maybe but not in my formula.But I hear there are alot of formula's floating around.All I know is there is one smell and if don't make the grade it's junk.If you never had the real deal or told or showed how to make it correct way alot of junk can get passed off.I know after making a 100 gallons of ground fish to make the right oil and how to handle the oil .I want it just right.And the man that showed me was a perfectionist in everything.

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

I think this stuff is like having a professional cook vs. somebody like Wendt making muskrat backstraps.

Sure if you were captive in Bob's camp you'd eat the rat meat.

However if you could get in your truck and head to the diner you probably would.

Either way your belly is gonna want to eat.

Good bait catches more than mediocre in all probablity.

Joel

[lynxcat]

how IS that diet going Joel

[lynxcat]

WELL said Bob... I make a lure that's KILLER in my book...HOWEVER it costs me as much in INGREDIENTS as I can buy a good comercial lure for...MINUS the time involved...granted it's MUCH heavier on "prime ingredients" and has much less filler....but more than likely NOT NECESSARY...could probably cut it 3 to 1 and it'd STILL be strong.
lynx

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

I should apologize to Bob as I never eaten any of his cooking.

Joel

[k9]

I have played around a bit and have learned that I can pretty much buy it from a guy like Rich cheaper than I can make it. There is a big difference in the quality of ingrediants from various sources, especially aseofetida, and it's performance in the bait.

I will still tinker around a bit. Have about 30 mink carcasses I am going to grind up and fool around with. I don't know why.

[rk660]

same same K9, its kinda addicting to play with different things isnt it. Ive got some weasel carcasses being saved Im going going to do the same thing with.

[lynxcat]

Sometimes one doesnt do things to save $$$ you do it JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN!! My lure contains pure civet...RICH in civet... if you've ever PURCHASED the pure stuff... wellllllllllllllllllllllllll... you can put as much $$$$ in civet into a lure as most of the rest of the ingredients!!!
lynx

[k9]

Yep it is fun to fool with for sure. All in all though, Bob is right, a fella can buy the stuff pretty much for less already made up, unless you are turning out bulk like some "master baiters" I know.

I mixed some Nelson formula with a little concoction that Slim showed me. Not sure what I think if it yet. Both work by themselves I think, better than they work alone. Nelsons is rank, the other is sweet.

[bobwendt]

some nelson is sweet, some musty like cheese, and some rotton as a pumped hog house sewer pit. all from guys who claim to have the original formula and know what they are doing. obvioiusly 2 out of the 3 are full of chit. the bait and the makers.

[johnthomas]

at 2 different conventions last year i made it a mission to sample every neslon bait there, like bob said it pretty different, one from a cat trapper was sweet and perfumery, one was real rank and carp juicy, one was so fresh loud rotten and gassy that you could smell it leaking gas from the lids 20 feet away, one was skunky in the gallons but tonquinny in the pints despit the fact both were the same bait from the same dealer, one was pointed out to me by the dealer to be much milder due to the fact he used a different base esp. for hungery kansasbobcats that smelled more foul than his loud one that he claimed was not near as good for cats but better for coyotes, and two others that the dealers claimed was the bait made into a lure that smelled no more or less different than the bait they had, individuals that make their own have told me the secret is in the fish added, one says only fresh pressed oil is to be used, but another tells me yotes wont respond to cheap pressed fish oil and cats as well, another told me sun rendered but mild pure trout oil is the secret, and another yet will use nothing but the juice no oil from rotted catfish, and another yet that will use only the pure black top oil from catfish rotted, all these guys catch cats and coyotes, i have the formula that bob mentions but have never made it, but have used a bunch of different dealers version of it, ogormans seems to have the most carp juice in it seems to me, and sometimes really is the ticket but next couple years is not as good even though it came from the same gallon, his is supposed to be something other than the old nelson bait but sure seems to be very similar, i know bob has used different ones and seemed to make good catches on them all despit the fact he does not like the really rank fishy ones, rks version of it coupled with bobs videos have made it the bait in much of kansas to the point all the coyote survivors dont like it so much anymore lol, it seems to be the most cussed and discussed attractor on the trappers minds the last several years and dealers are all trying for a chunk of the market. i lkie to discuss it myself lmao.

[bobwendt]

what I use anymore is altered by rich with a "secret "(lol) ingredient rich adds in for me, plus the mild rendered trout oil and not the cheap red pressed junk every dealer sells that he buys by the barrel for a buck or two a gallon and then peddles for $25 a gallon. I quit o`gorman about 15 years ago as I got a 5 gallon bucket and it smelled like sewer, I mean like it was just rotton chit out of the outhouse. `possum bait at best and at worst probablty turned them away. I threw it out. I never complained, just never ordered another thing there again. I didn`t know if he just got so big I just got a bad batch, or worse yet, if I was tugging on his cape by trapping 150 miles south of him in wyoming. it`s probably the best and the worst bait out there at the same time,pending the maker , the user ,and if it`s the real formula or one of the many fake ones floating around. heck, old bill nelson is alledged to have been a terminal alky that would have sold his mother for a 5 cent piece ,and sold multiple formulas alledging all to be "IT" to anyone with a little cash. the moral of the story is you taint a little meat a tad, throw in some fish OIL, some rat gland, a little mink, some castor, tad tonquin and maybe some mink and few drops of skunk and asofoetida and it`s probably as good as a dead fish or $10 an ounce lure, if you set on a track and aren`t an idjyut. but the holy grail, well heck no. the holy grail is 200 miles and 18 hours a day. but no one belioeves it till after they have found it. if-- you havn`t found it, buy nelson bait! bwahaha. buy it from that "part time coon trapper" that must be tugging on the cape! theres two of them, one in ill. and another in nebraska.

[vttrapper]

Bill Nelson , in his formula, lists several meats one can use to make the "Nelson Bait". So far I have tryed beaver, cat, moose and deer for the base. All have worked, but all have a different scent. My favorite is moose base.

frank

[tulemanlabs]

This was my first season using the Nelson bait. Bought it from Rich at RK. In the past I had always used rat and mink carcasses. Had a great year with the Nelson. Don't think I'll ever go back, and I'll always use Rich's. That one gallon put up 29 cats, about that many coyotes and more coons, possums and skunks than I can count. And I still have a quart left! Not too hard to figure that ROI. I've known Rich for a number of years, but got to know him a lot better this year. Spent a day with him on his cat / coon snare line about a week ago. Glad to call him a friend now. Rich is one he$$ of a trapper and is putting together an incredible bait. I know there are a lot of guys putting together the "Nelson bait", but I'd put Rich's up against anyone's.
Tim Friesel

[bobwendt]

he`s not a bad egg for a "part time coon trapper". I `m still laughing my arse off at that one. I guess a guy knows he has made it to the bigtime when his excellency starts bad mouthing you and never even met you or knows a daggone thing about a guy.

[Wiley]

I don't think many trappers that have ever written an article or sold a lure didn't endure the wrath of O'G.

"The System....We sold it until one "bottom feeder" stole the idea and put in on the video and then we took it off the market."

"So if you prefer to see broadcast quality, just turn on the T.V. and the nightly news"

"We SELL KNOWLEDGE and INFORMATION. CLONES SELL CAMERAS and FILM CREWS".

Ad nauseum..........


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