Bill Nelsons Bait Formula

[TurTLe]

I don't see any connection between any trapping organization and the riff raff that comes with higher prices.

Trapping in this part of Kansas this past season seemed like the 80's fur boom. There were more people trapping in this area this year then I've seen in the past 15 years. Seemed every bend, tree, creek, dry creek, etc etc had a trap or 10 on it this season. I had more traps stolen, more cable cut, and more animals taken then all the past 15 years combined. That's not KFHA, FTA or ###'s fault. It's just the nature of the beast when money is involved. Or the thought of enough money is involved.

Every publication I read, and every forum mentions how many cats Kansas has. It's no wonder I saw trappers from PA, WI, TN, MN, IN, IL, SD all around the public hunting. Precisely why I stopped land trapping mid-season and went to the water. Nobody in their right mind would spend $250 for a non-resident license to trap Kansas beaver. That is one animal we aren't over run with, and they sure don't hold a candle quality wise compared to Eastern beaver.

[woodie]

Sad,but true.Too many possess the I,Me ,Mine attitude. In the words of Pogo"We have met the enemy and they are us"
Mike

[trappnman]

T and others- you don't have to put ***.... causal mention of the NTA is ok- its the deterioration of threads that concerns me, not the mention of the name NTA..

theres a line, and we all know it-

[robertw]

Beav, You sure know how to stir a pot! When Bob gets ready to make that road trip I may come with him!

[bobwendt]

beav, lol, no doubt , no doubt. the little dirtbag. turtle, I equate the problems in ### the same as the problems you experienced on the line, greed, no ethics, thievery etc etc. that`s the connection,( MONEY to be had), and all are trappers , well CLAIM to be. anyone thinks 90% of trappers aren`t crud, answer honest. what would be your first thought if you saw a truck pulling off from your farm or marsh or creek with hip boots and baskets in the back and a canoe, at about noon when you went to ck the 100 traps you had out there? you and I both know it would be oh oh!

[HappyPlumber]

I can't imagine there being that many non resident trappers. Maybe we in Wisconsin need to rethink this non resident trapping license. HP

[robertw]

HP,
The southern states run the highest percentage of nonresident trappers, some years the number of nonresident (trapping) permits are as high as 25% of the total number sold and some years as low as 10%. You will also need to understnad that this is coming from a southern state that routinely does not exceed 500 total permits sold.

Iowa has fairly liberal trapping laws and would probably give you the closest comparison figures on what you could expect for the number of possible non-resident permits sold. (my guess is well under 100)

[Wright Brothers]

The only new trappers I noticed were a guy I went to school with, who did trap in the 70s, with two young kids and they were full of energy.

Fox hunters were almost a daily sighting for a while in the early part though. A couple farmers told them to leave that trappers stuff alone, for the most part they did. I hope that continues.

In Pa we have many people. If they can respect each other we don't have a problem.

My wife once said to me "you don't trust anyone do you", my reply
"you're catching on".

[bobwendt]

when young I trusted everyone ,and most of them lied to me or cheated me or stole from me or some scam. now I`m jaded as I`ve lived long enough to see most are crooks, pending if anyone is watching. or pious pending if anyone is watching. I am very greatful fort the good folks and friends I know as they are a minority of whats out there. try and find a good woman or man should your spouse up and croak. scarce as hens teeth.

[markymark]

I guess us city folks learn alot faster than the boys down on the farm. But the farm boys think they're smart and the city folks are dumb and green. Of course until they open there mouths there cover is blown.

[bobwendt]

I never fully learned till the thing we can`t discuss here, lol. and I`m 59 yrs now. well, I lasted 56 years before becoming fully jaded to the gils. I stayed country as long as I could. the sob`s

[coyotewhisperer]

Woops had to modify my post rechecked my figures. This year KS sold right at what they sold last year as far as non res licenses. Three years ago the number nearly doubled and has stayed pretty much the same the last three years so Turtle you must have just noticed them more or they figured out that E KS has the most cats LOL. There may be some changes in trapping laws before next season. I'll keep you updated.

Jeff

[robertw]

Jeff, How many non-resident permits did you guys sell in Kansas this last year?

[k9]

I think some of you misunderstand me. What pisses me off is the knocking of my fellow trappers. I am in coon country and am surrounded by some very good trappers, who run road lines. I'm telling you guys, these fellas are an honest bunch. This year I had some problems because the little blip in the coon market got all kinds of morons out looking, plus the weather was real warm so the lazy jerks were out. Those are not trappers in my book.

I am not going to try full time, not interested in going full time. I am a lucky man because I like my job, basically make my own schedule, and look forward to going to work every day. When I am on my death bed I will have no regrets about how I spent my time here on earth.

Since I am not full time I am not a trapper? I can't relate to what you full time guys have been through. Won't even pretend to. I am not lazy, and will work beside or circles around you full timers for the long haul if I need to in any task that you may choose.

I am impressed with your out of the box marketing strategies Bob, that have made you a good living over the years. I am impressed with your work ethic and your blunt way of telling it like it is. You are a guy I would like to hang out with, not because you are a good trapper, because of the type of guy you are.

Having said that, I would not trade places with you for a minute. Most trappers are great people, and it is too bad that you are so jaded that you have lost sight of that.

If guys are trying to copy you, that could be a compliment.

OGorman is a guy who turns me off because he is so full of himself, and puts himself on such a pedestal. However he sells damb good information and methods, like the guy or not. He bitches constantly about trappers ripping off his ideas, just like you are doing.

You are not becoming Craig OGorman are you Bob?

[coyotewhisperer]

Hadn't read page 5 now I feel pretty cool that Bob let me ride on his line . You won't see me setting on your line! If you take a guy trapping and he comes back year after or whatever setting on same property that is downright dirty! And you have to remove your sentence about All trappers getting Bootleg movies. I could have copied yours after some kids got them from me but I bought them again and would have from you but you were out of the Dogline. I had hollywoods dvd from a freind and could have copied that but I bought my own copy. Its just like hollywood said in his DVD. Copying this movie is the same as being a trap thief anyway thats near what he said. Had several OG videos loaned to me and I shoulda copied them as expensive as they are LOL.

Jeff

[markymark]

This year I had some problems because the little blip in the coon market got all kinds of morons out looking, plus the weather was real warm so the lazy jerks were out. Those are not trappers in my book.

What pisses me off is the knocking of my fellow trappers.


You must be a fence sitter, which side are you going to be on with your next post. Sounds like your the only honest guy out there and everyone else is a scumbag.

[bobwendt]

hey hern, I`m sorry , I read you wrong. I been gun shy a lot lately. too many folks takinm g pot shots so I been shooting back first and asking questions later. again, sorry, my mistake.

[bobwendt]

hey k9, I never complained about anyone copying me. unless you call setting 5 feet from me copying me. I have probably had several thousand traps stole in my life, couldn`t even hazzard to guess the amount of fur ripped off, lots of sneak ins, cheating and lieing to cause me troubles. 99% of it other trappers. mostly in the fur boom ,or the live biz. anytime major money was at stake. and then this ### deal, all trappers but one guy. I havn`t owned the rights to the dog or cat line videos for over a year now. only thing I sell direct is the fox and more dvd. all the pee goes to dealers except maybe 30 gallons. so really nothing to sell in the big scheme of things, relative to others volume.

[bobwendt]

one more post. turtle, the first several years I came to ks( 10 years ago) I think they sold 2 out of state lisc. went to 9 a couple years back. no idea how many now. I had a guy from michigan all over me the last 2 years. he had relations there and no lisc and tresspassed everywhere. wardens layed for him many times, never got him but confiscated several of his traps. he keeps coming and the guys in my county are good, it`s just a matter of time and he will be buying a liscence ,or get caught.

[TurTLe]

Have to remember that I'm right off of Fort Riley, so a lot of the guys I'm seeing could be troops. They can buy resident licenses while stationed here, and they would still have plates on their vehicles from their state of origin. I know two of the trucks were troops.

More laws, just what we need.LOL We already lost the ability to trap the parks at Milford, what's next? No 220's or snares on public hunting?