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Post by Steve Gappa on Nov 8, 2009 17:26:28 GMT -6
> absolutely hate screens with peat moss- I think 17hmr said this, and I agree. Have had too many dug at, leaving screen exposed- had one the other day, trap out of bed, unsnapped scree pointing st up in air. I don't know what it is with the slippery peat with only light covering of dirt- thought last year that screens were too small, so gave them a try again- going back 100% back to poly except in 100% dirt situations.
> we carry 3 ice cream pails....dry dirt, peat lure. Always a pain in truck- found out that they stack nice in a 5 gal, stay put, win win- like duh
> weather has been decent overall since rain first week- not unhappy about where we are at for time frame-
> coyote numbers up, fur esp bellies looks real good. Coon running good first week, very slow this past week.
> 3 badgers so far, all pretty nice for this time of year
> truck running good (knock on wood)
> still trapping a few gophers, few being operative word-
> lots of pics, no time to post them
> next year for sure for sure a wheel sharpening system BEFORE a skinning machine.
> opening weekend of deer hunting- we have straw flowers blooming, more bikes on the road than deer hunters in the woods
> been such a late growing season, I bet I know a doz farmers that JUST cut hay- plus how many that I don't know about and this is Nov 8th!
> life is good!
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Nov 8, 2009 17:14:27 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Nov 8, 2009 17:14:27 GMT -6
man, you must have lot of deer!
barely missed two last night that popped out of a corn field- how I missed them, don;t know- locked it up and got lucky-
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Post by Steve Gappa on Sept 6, 2009 7:23:33 GMT -6
northwind- can't argue with setting tracks- set em'-
but-
I think your assumption is wrong as far as it being a core area- I'd say just the opposite, that it was travel route and they use is regular.
WileyE told me to keep this in mind, if you find multiple scats in an area, that means that those coyotes are confident in that area. That would point to a core area to me.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Aug 26, 2009 7:06:03 GMT -6
when I first read about buckets, I thought that it would be the ticket for a lot of my far in locations- I could set coon w/o drowning water and still check every three days.
now don't get me wrong, I caught coon and experimented with them for a few years, but the number of coon that came to the buckets- 3,4 10 fet away, looked in, and went on their way amazed me. And that was long before ProCoon, but I tried all the popular lures including Hardcore, and many baits- fish, meat, sweet
I know many pooh pooh this, but I doubt if anyone traps coon longer in snow each year, than I do- and Im absolutely convinced, during dec and jan that even if up and around, they are not hungry per se down here. Perhaps its because they get all the calories they need ,during the fall- I think they are like bears when they first come out- digestive juices etc shut down, and tey don't start i nright way esp when continued cold.
Now, this all changes late Jan, feb- when coon are food orientated even more so than in fall, and they are inand under everything looking for food. If the fur is still good, and this is a small window, good catches can be made quick.
in any case, poor success with buckets and haven't set one in a decade or more. And I fully understand many slay them in buckets.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Aug 13, 2009 7:26:53 GMT -6
so with all that filing, can one still start the triggers (on land)?
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Post by Steve Gappa on Aug 6, 2009 9:27:55 GMT -6
Where I was at the badgers were the most fair weather animal I have ever trapped anywhere. If it was wet or cold, even a heavy dew, they stayed under ground.
thats a very interesting statement- I'll have to pay attention-
I've broken 3 leaf springs, plus other assorted parts in badger holes over the years-
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Post by Steve Gappa on Aug 6, 2009 9:22:02 GMT -6
heck lady, you're in!
you scaring even me!
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Post by Steve Gappa on Aug 1, 2009 10:31:47 GMT -6
and fair warning- any personal attacks on anyone will be your swan song post-
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 27, 2009 7:55:41 GMT -6
yes, I do-
but also you need to factor in, if we wouldn't have the quality of coon we do, I probably wouldn't have tried to make trapping my profession as well as my advocation.
coon for sure year in and year out are my bread and butter
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methods
Jul 26, 2009 5:58:28 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 26, 2009 5:58:28 GMT -6
there is a gopher trap called the cinch trap.
I hate them, think they are junk. I get more plugged traps in them, than any other trap I use.
Talked to another gohper trapper yesterday, he bought a doz, and he feels the same way.
Yet, I know 2 other guys, both who take a lot of gophers, that love them- feel they are the best trap ever.
why? we all, it seems, use the trap in about the same way- pretty much like the instructions (the science) say-
so why do 2 of us, feel its not worth using- I gave mine away to one of the guys that loves them- and 2 others, think they are the ultimate?
"art"?
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methods
Jul 25, 2009 19:04:58 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 25, 2009 19:04:58 GMT -6
yes, you can ban people, delete, approve members, etc-
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Jul 25, 2009 19:04:14 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 25, 2009 19:04:14 GMT -6
Im like you Bob- the constant wearing down- it used to be fun to give advice on things I learned the hard way, and things taught to me to pass down- now, its all arguing about everything. my head is still swimming, over the semantics debate and I think, that was pretty much the straw.
you might have noticed, you got new powers- use them wisely-
I'll not delete a post ever again, if its too profane or out of line, that person will just be gone-
Use your power wisely and good luck! Please behave on the political forum- I'm asking you nicely.
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methods
Jul 25, 2009 18:53:00 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 25, 2009 18:53:00 GMT -6
Bob- you are in charge- its yours to run-
no problems except frustration- but thank you for asking, I'll not forget you did.
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Jul 25, 2009 18:50:25 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 25, 2009 18:50:25 GMT -6
CD- I wasn;t going to post any more on any of this, but your post deserves a reply-
no CD- I deleted it it because I specifically ASKED that no comments be directed towards me on the thread- that I was opting out, and that I no longer was going to particpate-
your entire post, was questions directed at me, by name-
since I asked that no questions be made on that thread towards me, I deleted it, since the questions WERE DIRECTED TOWARDS me- and if I was not going to answer any mink questions, and I will not, then it served no purpose-
no, it was not inflamatory and I regretted deleteing it, but I will NOT give out any more mink advice and I WILL NOT post on any more mink threads. Just the way its going to be- that door, is closed for me from now on. No threat, just a desicion I made.
and I disagree- that type of stuff- was NOT what made the forum great- back in the day NO ONE posted like that, and, I ask you to READ the mission statement, that states exactly that-
back and forth contunually telling me my methods don't work like the "pros"? > that my methods can't catch mink fast? that what I've known all my life is false? that I don't try to harvest coon? then- 3 pages because "your" defintion of a blind set, doesn't fit mine, and it seems like thats the defintion of the old blind setters- guess I'm just old.
the debate SHOULD have been, what are the best blind (unbaited) sets, how do others make blind sets, how can one improve blind sets what are some "unknown:" blind sets, etc but it never got that way, did it?
and few it seems were interested IN directing it back that way.
Nope- its not only can't I begin to catch mink using my sets, after alla, no real min ktrapper uses unbaited sets, right?but I'm so stupid I don't even know what they are called. forget kellys post- stating ALL the old time blind set trappers called them and made them about the same as
Why, I'm so dumb- I call a set on land with a pin hole, a flat set, but I've been told that a flat set has NO hole, everyone knows that, the internet concensous states that as fact, so hey, wrong again.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 21, 2009 8:35:56 GMT -6
there is a huge difference, in setting griz in upland woods situations, vs setting in water.
in upland woods, trust me, I know, that color DOES make the difference.
location in the woods, isn't quite the same as location for coon puttering in the water.things are never quite one way or another- methods need modifcations based on the situation-
my experiences with the griz in the upland woods, on the SAME locations, with the SAME lure, in the same everything- showed me a 100% difference with painted traps vs unpainted. Enough so that it was a WOW kind of thing-
Shiney would do the same thing-
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 19, 2009 16:37:08 GMT -6
doesn't take a genius to figure it out-
the THREAD and the ISSUE was about the DEPTH NEEDED FOR 100% DROWNING-
now- even YOU as much as you like to be a troublemaker whenever you post, can see what RK is bringing up is separate issue- and I'll be glad to debate the catch and death of incidentals with rk or YOU if you so desire-
otherwise- think a little............
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 15, 2009 9:43:24 GMT -6
its not hard at all to catch and hold coyotes in 1.75s- and the losses- defined as pullouts- are no more than any other trap-
once one understands hes holding a small trap in his hands, the rest falls into place.
I'd set a 1.75 w/o hesitaiton on any ADC job, and have many times.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jul 1, 2009 14:36:26 GMT -6
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Post by Steve Gappa on Apr 19, 2009 8:53:27 GMT -6
Some coon won't go down the drowner no matter what
NO- NOT TRUE IN MY EXPERIENCE
beav, that is simply false to say that as a blanket statement
unless mechanical- but if the slide is tight (another point we debate on, I want mine banjo tight, others say doesn't matter) and the anchors hold- that coon will be, for me, setting in deeper water, dead.
and its not magic- its just doing things that you say you don't do-
and thats fine- you are happy with your methods and you don't care if a coon is dead or alive and many years I ran lines the same way-
What does appear to be true, is that the WAY you do your drowners, some coon will not go down the slide.
I'm sure you are right on what you see on your line with your methods.
I used to think the same. I used to have coon not go down slides as well and more alive coon than I wanted- but fall trapping didn't matter to me either way- as it doesn't for you and rk, etc.
again, nothing wrong with that at all- and I never said it was, in fact, I never brought up ANY point, but 2' of water, will not drown all coon.
If you have a coon in water, alive- your slide didn't do the job- for whatever reason IF your goal is drowning. I found out for me, water depth was most often, that reason.
but since this is my profession, I was determined to improve on that- and I did- to the point where its 99.9999999% that on my winter lines I have drowned coon.
I can't remember the last time I had a live coon on a slide-
and again- this is nothing to do with anything but how to ensure a dead coon-
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Post by Steve Gappa on Apr 19, 2009 8:43:24 GMT -6
I disagree with just about all these posts-
So Tman, you set in 6' water......100% sure that coon will go down the slider? Caught the night/am before the ck? Those coon sitting at the pocket, alive?
yup- 100% sure- I don't have coon, ever, sitting at the pocket alive- UNLESS mechanical fauilure, and none of that recent.
its easy to do- if thats what you want or need to do
I had the same disbelief on my dryland coon methods and not chewing- but- everyone that has gone on my line, has seen the exact thing I'm talking about- almost zero chewing on my dryland coon in 100% stock duke 1.5s. There are ways to do things to change common results...........
1) if I have a slide in 6 feet of water- I'll guarantee you 100%- that unless MECHANICAL failure, that coon will be down and dead.
What somewhat puzzles me about these discussions, is that I say X- and others say why I just do B- then seemed shocked when their conclusions aren't the same as mine-
all these replies- its just impossible to drown every coon- just can't be done-
and thats in a foot or two of water-
so I say- you can't drown a coon 100% in 1 to 2 feet of water-
yet- the argument continues- and I say- that in 4 feet of water- I CAN drown every coon- unless like once I put slide on back wards- yes, that coon was alive, or when I used wire and a coon kinked the wire, or very rarely when the bottom stake or weight is pulled up- all mechanical failures-
one comment about the coon on land. On land? why is your coon at a drowning set ON LAND? that coon should NEVER be on land on a drowning set-
your top stake should be in the water as far as chain allows- that trap chain should be tight almost on the slide as far down as it goes- first jump of that coon, and hes already going down the wire-
and in 3-4 or more of water hes going to be DOA.
in 1 to 2- maybe, maybe not.
and again- this isn't about speed or setting on sign or anything but this-
if you want to 100% drown a coon- how much water does it take?
maybe I need to go about this back wards-
so lets try this- given that the MECHANICAL aspects of the slide work- that the coon goes DOWN the slide to the bottom stake or weight- whats the minimum amount of water it would take to do the job 100% of the time? or maybe go about it like this- would you balk if I said I drown all my coon in 2" of water?
course, not all drown but you can't have it all....
and if you disagree with my 2"- WHAT DEPTH would it take?
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