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Post by bobwendt on Apr 6, 2008 19:16:31 GMT -6
I`d say you are right jim, but in an actual field trapping situation most of this talk is trumped 100% by more traps in the ground over bigger areas and more hours and miles in a day . this trapping is some finess and smarts but unfortunatlty mostly a size 3 hat and a size 44 coat to insure success. everyone wants the silver bullet, the one that dsoesn`t exist. the secret!
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Post by robertw on Apr 6, 2008 19:20:32 GMT -6
BobW;" I just go out and catch as many as I can and usually that`s all that are there, or so close it`s good enough. I can`t help what shows up after I leave, but if he/she is there when i`m there, then we leave togather."
Spoken straight and true.
The coyotologist who come up with all of this stuff evidently have never worked southern yotes where there are no disticnt family groups. The "democrat" coyotes in the south just are not the same as the family groups in the western states that fight for what is theirs (teritory).
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Apr 6, 2008 21:03:11 GMT -6
i have been peeping on this thread from day 1 and i dont know a whole lot about coyotes but what i have seen here in my neck of the woods is there is no distinct territory for our yotes here....i call them all wanderers.....now in the spring you have the denning site and hear more "packed" up yotes because of the young....but when you go out closer to the fall trapping season and do a locator sound you only hear 1-2 tops barking and its not in the same area all the time......sign on my farms is possibly a few tracks in the mud or the very spotty occasional turd...
but what i have found is if you have a wooded ridge here that has a thicket on it and you have a farm bordering that thicket that is where you will catch them...you can go to adjoining farms and not catch squat....so would you consider this thier core area....well here that might be the core area forthat week and next week it may be 15 miles down the road...
my first year i trapped really hard for them on one farm that had the perfect location....long valley running in the middle of it with a wooded bottom for about 20 miles up through the whole area,at the top of the valley there was a dip in the ridge for a crossing point.....senn a ton of sign there so i set it heavy...i caught 6 yotes there in 5 days last one weighed 56 lbs(according to the game commis 3rd heaviest in the state they weighed it) teeth wore down giant male....the area went dead..no more tracks,no nothing not even 2 months later in the snow......come next year very little sighn just the occasional track in the mud.....went after it snowed and got on a track and followed it till i was tired of looking at it off the 4 wheeler...my guess it was a traveler as im guessing i just got lucky and trapped out the true area yotes....i seriously dont think the central PA area has the density of coyotes YET to be a true territorial animal....and im hoping zags catches all of them b4 they get down here into the central pa region.....
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Post by tonymalone on Apr 7, 2008 4:47:32 GMT -6
i've wondered about that, big and mean bussiness, being the alpha, because in some areas where i trap like along the rivers, most of the yotes are big and mean as heck, REAL MEAN. but in other areas they just seem normal w/ a big badun here and there, i would think w/ dispersal going into other areas,they would all be about the same. but like said, as long as i get as many as i can in my truck who cares.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 7, 2008 7:41:58 GMT -6
Lets look at this another way- could you through methods or sets, target "alphas" more so that any other coyote?
Some might say a certain gland lure or just urine perhaps- but isn't the secret of this type of set its simplicity and its "naturalness" so that it will catch a wary cooyte? and if so, then its simplicity and naturalness would appeal to any coyote.
I think its just first come first serve...
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Post by k9 on Apr 7, 2008 7:44:45 GMT -6
"I think its just first come first serve..."
Summed up in just a few words, what we are taking hundreds of posts to accomplish on the other board.
I truly believe that is what it boils down to. First come first served.
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Post by slingshot4561 on Apr 7, 2008 8:07:18 GMT -6
I was at our state convention last year and had the opertunity to ask this person ,"SO JUST HOW DO YOU TELL ITS AN ALPHA MALE" . I love eye contact, our conversation was over. I think for fun we should all meet out west , catch a couple hundred pups in aug. and in there left ear tatoo I'M AN ALPHA MALE.
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Post by z on Apr 7, 2008 8:33:49 GMT -6
Most females love to sniff turds..... Why worry about the Alpha male, Just a big dumb phuck jacked up on testosterone.... Old bitch coyote, Dried up, No pups.... Seems to me the target is obvious! Good posts Zagger and Jimmy, Bob, Some of us trap 50 acre plots and are happy to be able to. You can't just run and gun everywhere, But I understand where your coming from....
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 7, 2008 10:15:59 GMT -6
I thought you got thrown off. lol! the false impression is that those of us lucky enough to have unlimited ground trap it any less seriously. the cost of trapping is setting the place up and cking it, so we want 100% coyote catch same as the guy with only 50 acres. money is money and failure to catch any of the coyotes is just as insulting to the long liner as the short liner. after all, it is a pride thing as much as anything. anyone traping coyotes isn`t buying any caddys this year. or for that matter any year in all recorded history.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 7, 2008 11:04:08 GMT -6
everyone wants the silver bullet, the one that dsoesn`t exist. the secret
Sure the secret exists bob.
You and I know what it is, as do many.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 7, 2008 11:41:40 GMT -6
for 100 bucks I`ll tell. but I bet someone else will do it mail order for $9.95.
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Post by robertw on Apr 7, 2008 12:31:24 GMT -6
AND.....The coyote market is going to fall some more!
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Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Apr 7, 2008 15:35:59 GMT -6
All I gotta say is read my signature over there.I said my piece when the MJ stuff first started and stand by what I say. I also asked him to his face about where he has been when the market was soft and why he is back now. His answer, " I was going through a divorce" , after he looked at me incredulously for a few minutes. He is an opportunist businessman rather than a trapper in my opinion. Hence the marketing gimicks and slick targeting
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Post by dabrock on Apr 7, 2008 16:58:56 GMT -6
Would'nt it be easier to identify the Omega male?
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Post by netrap on Apr 7, 2008 18:33:39 GMT -6
The alpha male trapper on t-man is becoming a hero. I can't believe the b.s. these guys believe. Actually even big name trappers are buying into it.
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Post by robertw on Apr 7, 2008 18:44:11 GMT -6
I'm in the dark on this subject...Maybe I need to learn how to trap coyotes??
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Post by netrap on Apr 7, 2008 18:53:44 GMT -6
I can see it now, his next topic is going to be "How I catch over 200 coyotes in X amount of days with minimal mange.............in a state plagued with mange..............
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Post by trappnman on Apr 7, 2008 18:59:46 GMT -6
k9 brought up a very interesting point- if some region needed "extra" methods to catch super wary coyotes, and the same trapper trapped other regions - why wouldn't those "extra" methods be used all the time, to take "all" the coyotes?
after all, don't we always set the best we can, and move on? If some little thing made a difference in wary coyotes, wouldn't you do it at all locations?
I don't see the big mystery in finding one area has a lot of first night catches and another a doesn't. THe first night area had coyotes by the sets. The biggest difference in small farm country over big farm/west country is only that in small farm country the coyotes are there- a good % of sets will see actioon. What did Zags do day #1 this year- 10 if I recall right.
Out west- they aren't "there" as often with bigger country.
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Post by CoonDuke on Apr 7, 2008 19:14:25 GMT -6
I'm just a dumb fox trapper and don't even know what the alpha male is. When did I catch it? They all look pretty much the same to me. Day 2. Day 3...same set. Day 4 both traps were both run over by farm equipment Day 5...sister set. Day 6...sister set again.
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Post by Zagman on Apr 8, 2008 7:04:33 GMT -6
Based on the fact that you caught so many so quickly, you clearly took out the alpha male first! Nice work!
I see Huber and ChrisM piping in over on that thread.....be good to have them here, too.
MZ
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