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Post by furman on Sept 15, 2007 11:01:38 GMT -6
T-man how do you get the average you talk about and there no one else that come close to that average? Will you sell my coon for me? ;D
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Sept 15, 2007 11:58:30 GMT -6
I know what you mean about having coon. But if I were to trap a hundred here wouldnt that be enough to compare prices?
I'll have as many october coon as december. I'll have ten of each.
Let me seperate myself too, I'm not disputing your averages.
"my offer is good to anyone to buy my coon at $18 st through- plenty of money to be made."
I'm not going to buy your coon. I hate em. But lets make a bet. I'll bet you get more for your green coons this fall than I will for my finished, unless winter comes early to the lower midwest.
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Sept 15, 2007 14:43:14 GMT -6
Ok i didn't have a hundred coon but it was still everything i caught.
I'm not "in the coon here"
Another poster on here from KS shipped a 140 coons he caught he doesn't throw any coons out and his average was better than mine.
I'm not telling you how to sell just stating i think you'd make more at NAFA.
You still didn't answer the surlock question.....Did you just not like them.
Jeff
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Post by trappnman on Sept 15, 2007 19:07:56 GMT -6
no one will pay you $18 green, especially with a perponderance of early coon and snared coon ,and no throw outs.
you can`t see that?
of course I can see that-
or $16 either.
theres where ot uare worng- if ny guy is selling my coon for $25 average- then $16s a bargin.
in any case- as someone just reminded me that he mentioned at WI- about time for me and Bob to fight abotu coons.
so do as you will- and so will I on selling coon.
either beats $16 the buyer pays to use you as his advertizing. see Bob- this is what pisses me off- furman threw that out- and I emphatically stated- he pays the same IF you have the same coon I do. So now you jump on it? trust me, I'm getting no special favors.
but I bow to oyur expertise on MN coon, selling tot MN buyers- I'm sure you got it down pat.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 15, 2007 19:10:09 GMT -6
jeff- Im not sure on what a surelock is. I might have tried them, might nor of, descibe them.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 15, 2007 19:31:39 GMT -6
Kida of 2 arguemtns going on here- one saying my green averages are impossible, and one saying I'm getting screwed becasue I could get $25 at acution.
for those that think these are impossibly high- Im not trapping water coon until dec, I get good coon, I take care of them. they got graded most times last year into 2 piles- $18 coon, $15 coon and $10 coon. By far, more were $18 coon, pretty easy to see how the average ould be $15-16. Pretty easy math. And prett standard i nthe green market around here.
I can't explain any further- if you don't get it, you just don't.
Steven- I concede, that I could get more at auction, but I don't think its as much as you think.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 15, 2007 19:45:02 GMT -6
wah... I thought it was $16 straight ,and now it`s 3 piles, one at $10! and if he docks you only $2, how does he get $25 out of $16 coons? works on 25% profit after the $2 put up? now that is a pretty good gig. in fact soooo good, if I was you I`d do it myself and make that extra $9 a coon to put up and ship. $9 a coon just to put up, that`s about twice what a lot of the south central areas can get for coon.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 15, 2007 20:07:32 GMT -6
Bob- its $16 AVERAGE
I give up
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Sept 15, 2007 20:09:53 GMT -6
Steven- I concede, that I could get more at auction, but I don't think its as much as you think
We can agree to disagree. No problem with that bro.
I'd say you'd have done 21 bucks in you pocket but who knows until you sell. Alot, lot, lot coon sold for 25 to 30 bucks and you shoud put a high percent in that range.
If you want to take a look at the may auction catalog let me know.
I could get ya in. Its interesting as hell. You can see what every last trapper piece of fur sold for.
Wanna take me up on my bet.
Sell your coons boys. Sell em early but watch the weather.
Dont forget me I want some kind of meter.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Sept 15, 2007 20:13:59 GMT -6
Dont give up on me.
I have another thought to ponder for ya guys.
What should the difference be.
If I was a furbuyer it had better be 5 bucks between finished auction averages for your section and green for your section.
If I had to put 2 bucks into put up and with the current high value of coon I'd need to make 3 or why even bother to get an operating loan.
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Sept 15, 2007 20:17:21 GMT -6
borrowed that image LOL You should know what they are i sent you some for free to snare coon with when you were learning LOL Jeff
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Post by td on Sept 15, 2007 22:16:27 GMT -6
We worked on $5 margin on coon in the 70's. 49er, I think today, you'd go broke on that margin sooner or later. A price adjustment while you've been accumulating several thousand coon in the months between auctions.........you just put up a bunch of coon for fun. Maybe even get to pay for the pleasure. Don't forget the 10% commission.
I'd want 8 bucks margin, probably more, 'cause i won't put up gristleneck coon for $2. Even at that margin, the likilehood of losing money is still there, given the uncertainty of auction houses. I wouldn't want to borrow $200,000 to buy 10,000 twenty dollar coon to ship, then watch the price drop to ten. It happens, just ask the otter or rat buyers that shipped to auction.
With the % of big, good quality coon Steve gets, he probably would have averaged around $25 at auction .......last year, but as they say, past performance does not gaurantee future results.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 16, 2007 6:27:48 GMT -6
Jeff- ok- now I know what you mean. I caught coon with them, but I just can't recall if they were better or not. I'll pick up so more, and try them again-
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Post by garman on Sept 16, 2007 6:36:16 GMT -6
I have stated before here on this same discussion some thread back, @ '96 or so I averaged $26-28 put up after commission NAFA, the local buyer was giving me a great price $21-22 average put up. These were coon 3rd week of october from the dogs to february dogs/trapped. That was then, the nest year about $15-16 Nafa and Fur harvester. I figured I could do 10-12 coon an hour top to bottom put up. I was and still willing to put up. I figured I was averaging around $6 or more per coon just to put my coon up to the local buyer. Plus greater power in regards to where I will sell, plus my freezers will hold several hundred put up coon. BUT, $16 would be hard to turn down for green coon- no carcass disposal, no fat disposal, no late nights, more traps I could run etc. would make up for my loss on the coon. Also just like TD stated past performance does not gaurantee future results.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 16, 2007 6:46:30 GMT -6
now garmen you have hit on the heart of the matter- does a buyer want coon put up from 100 different guys- or all like peas i na pod? my buyer wants peas in a pod- so-
a couple of years ago, Webkie offered at least a few bug coon sellers, the option of taking in nte green hides- putting them up for I think it was $1.50 each, then buying by grade.
green coon you still skin and have the carcass problem.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 16, 2007 6:58:37 GMT -6
steven- could I have averaged $21? now thats a far cry from $25- and yes, I probably could have averaged that- if I wanted to put up all my coon, and wanted to ship, and wanted to wait for my money-
seems like some forget the past 10 years of selling coon over 1 auction........
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 16, 2007 7:24:00 GMT -6
If I could find some fool to put my coon up BOARDED and belly skinned, grease reliefed window and skin for $1.50-$2 even I would trap the greasers. but alas, no one will do that, lol, unless they get to buy them too ,and get the other $3-4 you owe them on the put up ,on the buying end. it`s like all the guys that figure gas only as their vehicle expense, as " they had to have a truck anyway". but they negelct to figure they didn`t need a 4 by 4 and it lasted 5 years longer if not beating it up trapping. and so on.
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Post by garman on Sept 16, 2007 8:01:45 GMT -6
Exactly t-man I worked 3 seasons for a furbuyer (I say that not to brag about experience just to state during that time I had several things impressed upon me) this buyer at that time had worked appx. 30 years in the field through thte fur booms etc. he then during that time frame I worked for him bought for Groeny. I learned many of the fur tricks, buying tricks, etc. I KNOW buyers (some Buyers) set high/premium just to bring trappers in, I KNOW some pay higher averages from certain people to get others from the same area to come in, BUT I also know that UNIFORMITY and proper put up fur brings more. I also know that fur that is sold green whether carcassed or skinned brings higher price if washed, combed, etc. It is less work and easy to grade, which means higher profit for fur buyer and seller alike. Nothing was more anoying when skinning and have to comber or cut off a snare because someone could not give the animal the respect it deserved, but enough for my soapbox.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 16, 2007 8:23:12 GMT -6
garmen- I know you will appreciate this- my buyer told me once "I like to grade your coon" and I asked him why... and he said "it doesn't stink"
my coon are washed, dried, brushed then into the freezer. And more importantly- no holes.
think back to the thread about the condition of green coon at one of groenys stops last fall. Unfortunately, thats the norm for many if not most green sellers. I think back to those years when coon didn't sell, and I sold all of mine. Even the year Russia collapses and te market went south overnight- I still sold all my coon if I remember right, at about a $10 average. I trade off those times, for a few more dollars at auction in good times.
I also last year sold 99% of my mink at $22/$17, my rats at $7.25, my fox at $18 and my beaver (all 8 of them for $25. beaver green, rest put up. How did you all do at the auctions?
point being- we all market our fur the best way for us- and to me, I think I've found the best way, overall, for me. PS- on canines, without a doubt, the good put up does give me better averages-
He knows he gets all my fur, good, bad and indifferent.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 16, 2007 8:35:22 GMT -6
the rat etc deal was just timing, not buying . see what he pays you this fall! I think it is important to note you are selling skinned coons, not carcase as some have believed in his thread. correct?
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