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Post by JP on Sept 13, 2007 20:57:30 GMT -6
Like T-man, I dabbled in snaring last year. On a small sample (16 coon) I was impressed by the new micro locks. I think 3 or 4 were neck snared, mostly in places where I could find a tight spot and use a small loop. In this small sample, not one had any visible outside fur damage. I guarantee there was a mark on the leather, but my buyer didn't seem to care. Same average as I got on the bunch I sold at the beginning of the season. 220's in January, for me, are just not very effective. I see much more avoidance this time of year. I can't wait to do more snaring this winter. I have started to look for places that would work for snares now. Now, if someone could tell me how to get a coyote to consistently crawl on his belly to get through a 16" high snare please share. JP
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Post by JWarren on Sept 13, 2007 21:04:13 GMT -6
the inside mark on the leather doesn't matter much sellng green- but the missing fur sure stands out! cam lock is the way to go for that, no side-side surface area which rubs the hair
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Post by trappnman on Sept 13, 2007 21:20:51 GMT -6
I found the cams to really tangle up in the hair, and make no real difference. Thats why I wonder if I'm getting more damage cause later in the year?
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 14, 2007 4:46:45 GMT -6
if shipping, litterally every snared coon , that a ring on the leather can be seen ( all of them) ,will grade slight damage, thus the $5 off. you guys doing all this neck snaring, you are better than me. any chewed open bellys, hind legs or arsehole ate open and the poor buggar still alive? if not, it will happen on a belly snare someday, on coon specifically . then the 4-6 however many neck snared won`t seem so counter balancing to you. how many chest and belly snared since everyone has said how many head snared?
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Post by furman on Sept 14, 2007 4:56:30 GMT -6
Have snared lots of coon and I have giving up on the neck snaring thing. What I have found is if check as soon as you can, meaning the more time there in the snare = more damage. And after dispatched massage the area where their where caught this will help minimize the mark on the leather but of course nothing will help on the damage fur.
Also I have found that in entanglement is a bad thing I get more damage with it than without
One more thing that’s helps a lot is swivels as close to the loop as you can get them it does mater what kind they are just that they are right behind the snare support. It will help on the damage more than anything that I have found.
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Post by garman on Sept 14, 2007 5:38:06 GMT -6
furman you are exactly right with the massage thing something I forgot in my post, also not that I am not believing you Bob but I have yet to see any animal shewed bellys, vents, etc. In any of the coon I snared, worst seen was a back with a 50 cent size hole due to a fence. Never snared under fences for coon again. Also slight downgrade at buyer and yes ring on leather, but $5 was always worst deduct, usually $2-3. Never saw enough difference that cauused me to want to quit snaring, just like I stated before.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2007 5:57:33 GMT -6
I've had that happen in staked out coyote sets, never in a snare. BUT- Im only at 100 or so snared coon.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 14, 2007 6:02:28 GMT -6
it wiil happen when the numbers come up. my take is if a guy is serious as to trapping income, ( profit margn) the $2-3 or $5 is too much deduction. if he is in it to secure perfection, state of the art skill, hobby, satisfaction with a job well done, whatever you want to call it, the flat out damage to flesh and blood and nerves factor figures in as a huge negative on non neck snared stuff. and no one can guarantee all neck snared, or not to have the atrocitys that body snaring brings. am I an anti? heck no, just a normal person the is repulsed by outragious stuff in anyones way of measuring what is outragious or not. After much research and field application I just don`t believe coon should be intentionally snared, or any short legged critter. too many times things go wrong, intentional or not. canines or other long legged critters are the perfect anmal to neck snare, nothing else.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2007 6:04:02 GMT -6
I got no deductions for snared coon that didn't have fur damage.
Wish Steve C would respond.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 14, 2007 7:09:37 GMT -6
you did. your buyer just pays a flat country price so you don`t see it. or he plays games with you. or he is a dummy. in the end someone eats that deduction, if not you, then him and he will smarten up fast.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2007 7:16:26 GMT -6
When you sell green fur, you do get a flat price- not for each coon, but for each grade.
when the buyer gives me the same price for snared coon, as trapped coon- its good enough for me.
my buyer has been in the biz since 1978, one of the largest non travelling buyers in MN/WI.
Hes a pretty smart cookie.
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Post by frenchman on Sept 14, 2007 7:33:00 GMT -6
snared coon are either slight damaged, damaged or badly damaged at auctions.
Even faint neck snare marks may result in slight damage.
Switched from snares to 220s when I calculated that the price loss would pay for the steel.
plus, clean, dry, fluffy coon instead of wet, muddy, bloody pelts that needed washing, drying and etc.
I still catch 20-30 coon in snares yearly, in fox and coyotes snares as incidentals, and even with a loop 8-10 inches off the ground, catch an amazing number by the body (some by the neck).
When I did snare purposely, I had found that larger washer locks, and a piece of tubing reduced fur damage (similar to Jim Gough No-mark snares). I also did catch fox and coyote (a few) in the plastic tubing snares.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2007 7:35:24 GMT -6
unfroze vs froze- I'll take a little wet.
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Post by garman on Sept 14, 2007 7:50:43 GMT -6
Bob I never would say your an anti-from what little I know you from this forum nor would I accuse you of that. I appreciate your opinion and respect your stance on these things. Not trying to suck up I would say that to about anyone on this forum it is, there choice if people have a better way that cost efficiently will work (i would rather set 220's because it is even quicker than snares bet never had the catches I do or have had with snares) but if people have a 220 or even better a 160 conni idea that works about as good I will do it. As a side note I remember a few years ago the fur demo man from NAFA complained about conni'd fur stating it damaged the neck area. He stated best fur should be legholded, I would not disagree seen fur damaged from 220's around the neck, not bad though.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 14, 2007 8:24:44 GMT -6
tman, if your buyer is asa sharp as you say, and I`ve no doubt he is, he is docking you, just averaging it in to where you don`t realize it. it`s costing you, not him. although I`m sure he`d rather all no snared coon as his overhead to put up is the same on a $20 or a $25 coon. so common sense dictates a $25 coon is better for everyone.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 14, 2007 8:25:56 GMT -6
let me put it another way, you think any ranch fur has snare marks or bullet holes or green bellys or all the things wild fur has? why not?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2007 9:15:59 GMT -6
let me put it this way- I get the same price now per coon as I did in all the non snaring years.
I don't know live markets, but I do know green coon selling.
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Post by SteveCraig on Sept 14, 2007 9:16:00 GMT -6
Had a post all typed out and lost it somehow into cyber space. Will commint later today on this subject.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Sept 14, 2007 9:56:29 GMT -6
What part of the coon do they use nowadays?
Cant see why a neck snared coon should grade damaged.
I see the same results as frenchman.
Snare several a year in fox sets, 8 or so inch loops 8-10 inches off the ground and hip caught.
Steve, on hip snared coon I dont think lock types will make a heck of alot of differecene.
Best thing would be to check the sets early. Less chance for damage.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2007 10:01:45 GMT -6
thats about my conclusion also steven. Half of the coon are frozen dead, so earlier wouldn't matter too much. Even those hanging in the trees I've posted, has the lock damage more often than not.
I think the only cure, is small loops 100% speicfic to coon, not canines.
since our snare loops for coon are so silly, Im thinking foothold the coyotes and just snare coon, as long as its a 24 check anyways.
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