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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 30, 2015 5:23:53 GMT -6
Pam you are far left of center. Your worried about a gun in road rage when a person with driving a 2,000 lb hunk of steel might pull a gun? lol what about that person just ramming you at 40 mph with a car? Or even 20 mph? Good grief the long list of reasons is silly IMO.
The grubby guy in the pizza place might just save people as well. He also I am betting is one who is a law abiding citizen because your a really dumb portion of the criminal element if you open carry and have issues with the law LOL.
No the sad state of affairs is trying to add more regulation to something that is a protected right of law abiding people, thinking we will change the outcome of gun violence by adding more laws on, as these will never effect the criminal element just those law abiding citizens to create more hassle for them.
Again look at Chicago and tell me gun control has any bearing on gun violence LOL
South Dakota and other states in the region have some of the most Liberial gun laws in the nation, along with it some of the lowest crime in the nation, Chicago and DC very tough gun laws and very high crimes committed with guns. Tell me what is working better?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 30, 2015 5:02:42 GMT -6
No they really are not Tman, personnel protection and choice of fire arm is different than a LR target gun, a hunting rifle or shotgun etc.
I did agree that a gun shoots things but as I clearly stated a knife is used to cut things, yet they still have many different applications and forms. Same with firearms. A knife or now can be as deadly as a gun so maybe background checks for knives as well? One life or twenty how do we quantify value of each? Then propose legislation on it?
Silly really.
Bryce paperwork is a "loose" term the paperwork has all of your personnel information and asked you to be honest on a series of personnel question far more detailed than getting a drivers license. Bryce what state when getting a drivers license ask if you have ever committed a misdemeanor of domestic violence Or asked have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective? Or how about are you an illegal alien? Or are you addicted to marijuana or any other illegal drug including narcotic, depressant,stimulant or any other illegal drug? People would be up in arms saying that is against my rights as a private citizen LOL.
Ever get asked or does it matter to the drivers license office if you are under a court order against harassing , stalking your significant other or child? Don't think so.
Any yes answer stops the sale right there and then you must do the call in and it clearly states if you lie about the answers your breaking federal and state laws as this is a federal form from ATF.
I know of NO gun dealer that will sell a firearm to anyone without a valid ID maybe a few do, but to protect themselves ask for an ID and anyone at a gun show who has an FFL must do the same paper work on firearms gun show or retail store, the only ones who do not are private to private sales.
I have sold a a few guns private to private and always get a copy of their ID and keep it on file in case anything comes up down the road, just smart is all.
Your argue ent is a weak one even if we make a law that all private sales must call NICS just like an FFL dealer, you think that will stop any criminal from getting a gun? No way they will offer a price that will still have plenty of out law types willing to sell no questions asked and you just made law abiding gun owners jump more hoops with NO real gain for the law in the first place.
I can buy a car from a dealership and fill out tons more paper work or buy a car from a private sale and hand them a check and transfer a title and it is done in no time.
Why don't we do background checks on all automobile sales no valid drivers license no sale of the vehicle private as well? Maybe a guy has a suspended license for DUI and we just sold him a car or truck to go back drinking and driving?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 29, 2015 14:19:28 GMT -6
Where did I argue such?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 29, 2015 5:20:28 GMT -6
Bryce lots of paper work for guns as well. You have a vin on a vehicle, serial number on a gun, you have paper work for a car and 4473 for a firearm. You Renew your drivers license, you renew your conceal carry permit which cost people far more than a drivers license on avg in most states.
many states do not require drivers Ed but honor system hours driven, pass a written and driving test and you get a license. Conceal permits many states have mandatory classes and a shooting proficiency test. Then a trip to the sheriffs office for a background check above and beyond the one for purchasing the firearm and cost and weeks of time.
Try buying a suppressor and see what is more daunting of task, procuring a drivers license or buying a suppressor for a rifle. A good friend who is a retired law enforcement officer waited 14 weeks for a suppressor and the paper work and cost associated with such run 100's of dollars. not including the cost of the supppressor.
With the value of human life getting worse all the time you think we will ever see a mass population that abides by the laws in large numbers across this country? The reason the second amendment is there to protect the citizens against such.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 29, 2015 5:06:17 GMT -6
They portray them that way so they can keep moving the agenda for the left!
I agree a lot of messed up people who slide thru the cracks because mental health is not given the same time as physical health. it isn't the person says the media, no it is the weapon that is at fault in these cases.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 28, 2015 19:30:31 GMT -6
Doubles triples up or down? How about non targets as well?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 28, 2015 4:59:37 GMT -6
Red snow many schools have taken on measures to help, schools today have cameras,locked double doors, officers on school grounds, as you stated look out for people read them and report them sooner than later. Many schools in large areas went to metal detectors.
I feel this is not a gun problem but a people problem, the value of life has certainly diminished over the last 30 years, some need to look into why and what is the root cause of such? Gun laws will never stop violence they use that as a guide to make it harder for law abiding people to own guns nothing more. They know that deep down, these are opportunities for the left, to garner a handful of votes in the big picture is all. The need to remember they are alienating themselves from a sector on the left that are gun owners and a abide by the laws as well.
Obama wants tougher laws, even though as clearly stated Chicago has more gun crime than most places with some of the toughest gun laws in the nation, so what makes him think more laws will solve the problem? That would be the question I would ask him. State to state transfer of firearms is only for long guns not handguns. Handgun sales must be delivered to your state of residence and transferred thru an FFL. So how many of the criminal minds are doing such? Next to none. As the paper trail exists and most of these shootings are done with illegal procured weapons that isn't ever going away.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 27, 2015 17:33:25 GMT -6
Tman I think you would be surprised at what a coyote will eat and chew on aggressively when it comes to baits and lures! Some of which you think is exotics they will try and consume. The state had a great getter bait called canine call B bait yep made with canine call a mix of what some would considers exotics, on M-44's you have a coyote pull it which is the desired result and others would come by clean that getter head and chew like crazy on the fleet wrapping at times down to the metal.
That is what one is looking for and they must find it edible to the palate or why continue to chew aggressively on the head?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 27, 2015 15:45:32 GMT -6
Members of the Chicago Police Department work the scene of a police-involved shooting on the 7800 block of South King Drive in Chicago on Saturday, Aug. 15, 2015. Armando L. Sanchez/Chicago Tribune/TNS© Armando L. Sanchez/Chicago Tribune/TNS Members of the Chicago Police Department work the scene of a police-involved shooting on the 7800 block of South King Drive in Chicago on Saturday, Aug. 15, 2015… WASHINGTON — One evening in late August, not three blocks from President Barack Obama's Chicago home, someone in a passing car pulled up to a silver Volkswagen and fired several shots through the driver's side window, killing the driver.
The suspected gang shooting happened close to a playground, an elementary school and a high school, where football practice was wrapping up for the night.
The crime terrified Obama's old neighbors and highlighted just how closely the problem of gun violence hits for the president as it rages unabated in Chicago. Obama's home city is at the center of a debate about the effectiveness of the kinds of gun laws the president backs.
Critics say the stream of deadly shootings are proof that gun laws don't work, given the tough stance Chicago officials adopted toward gun ownership in the 1980s and 1990s.
But Obama's team believes that Chicago, with its 408 homicides so far this year, is evidence of the need for exactly what he's pushing: national laws that make it harder to get around the local restrictions simply by driving across a state or city line.
"It's the patchwork of laws that doesn't serve us," said one Obama adviser. "People just go to other jurisdictions with looser laws."
Obama will talk about the need for tougher gun laws with police chiefs gathered in Chicago on Tuesday, aides say, as part of a broader conversation about violence and how police can work more effectively with their communities to combat it.
He's traveling to Chicago because that's the site of the annual gathering of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, but advisers say he's well aware of the symbolism in returning to his hometown amid this debate.
Chicago has long been a battleground for both pro- and anti-gun forces. Three decades ago, in the wake of the assassination attempts on President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II, the City Council banned new sales and registration of handguns in 1982. Chicago was the first major city to take that step.
Now, with Obama renewing his rhetoric about more gun control in the wake of massacres at a church in South Carolina and a community college in Oregon, and considering imposing gun safety rules by executive order, critics once again are pointing to the president's hometown for proof of the folly.
Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina and Chris Christie have talked about gun deaths in Chicago in arguing against the need for stricter gun-safety laws.
"You look at Chicago, it's got the toughest gun laws in the United States," Trump told ABC News this month. "You look at other places where they have gun laws that are very tough, they do, generally speaking, worse than anybody else."
The argument isn't as clear-cut as the candidates make it. Although the City Council drew attention for its strict gun laws in the 1980s, the Supreme Court decided in 2010 that Chicago's handgun ban violated the Second Amendment.
Academics have never conclusively proved a causal relationship between tougher gun laws and lower crime rates, though nationwide surveys conducted by gun control groups strongly suggest one.
That's enough for the president to conclude that tougher laws are worth a try, but not enough for skeptics who think it doesn't merit government intrusion into private gun ownership.
Chicago offers evidence for both sides.
For gun control advocates, Illinois is something of a model. The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence gave Illinois a B-plus grade in 2014 for its laws, behind only a handful of states with tougher regulations.
But at the same time, Chicago has seen a spike in violence, inspiring the nickname "Chi-raq." The city has recorded almost as many homicides so far this year as it did in all of last year. In August alone, the month that the suspected gang shooting occurred near the president's home, there were 54 homicides.
"Chicago just does not look like a good case study for gun control," said Eugene Kontorovich, a professor at Northwestern University Law School who researches and writes on the subject. "That's a reality that all who support gun control proposals have to keep in mind. The world is permeable."
But for Obama's neighbors, including the lawmaker who took his seat in the Illinois Senate, the Chicago ordinances and Illinois laws never had a chance to work because of the city's proximity to states with much laxer laws. The city is within a two-hour drive of Milwaukee, and Gary, Ind., is so close it is practically a suburb. Their states earned a C-minus and D-minus for their gun laws, respectively.
In fact, about 60 percent of the guns associated with crimes in Chicago come from out of state, according to Chicago Police Department statistics. Mississippi, with an F on the score card, is another source.
"You can pass all the laws you want, but if people can just drive to Indiana, Wisconsin and Mississippi, it doesn't make a difference if nothing is done at the federal level," said state Sen. Kwame Raoul.
On Raoul's street, not far from the Obama family home, there have been two shootings in the last two months. He is so worried about the safety of his teenagers that he doesn't let them walk anywhere. He drives them.
When he travels to Springfield, the capital, to debate the subject with lawmakers from around the state, however, he worries about the overemphasis on urban violence. In a recent debate about the heroin problem seeping out of cities and into rural areas, he drew a parallel to gun violence.
"These problems don't remain quarantined," Raoul said. "They are coming to your community, too."
Skeptics such as Kontorovich agree that borders governing gun laws are porous, but they question whether another layer of laws or executive orders will make any difference.
"The reality is that state and local borders are permeable," Kontorovich said. "But national licensing laws will only regulate the legal market, not the black market."
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 27, 2015 15:43:46 GMT -6
Yep so is a bow and arrow, a knife is made for cutting things, a sling shot to shoot a projectile as well and your point is? lol
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 27, 2015 8:10:35 GMT -6
We have such in place now Tman , many people carry guns on them or in a vehicle and some states more freely than others
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 27, 2015 5:15:24 GMT -6
Pam the purpose of a gun is many fold and who cares what use people want from a gun? Provided they are law abiding? Sport shooting that of shooting targets has grown many fold in the last 10 years
Also home protection is protected under the 2nd amendment and many state laws as well.
To say there is a right or wrong answer for gun ownership is off. Some hunt, some want protection because of where they live, some want to shoot targets etc.
Be like saying the drunk bought a car to get him to and from the bar daily. So let's up the red tape to buy autos as the facts below tell us something.
If we want to look at just numbers of deaths caused cars versus guns big,big difference so if this is all about safety then we should have further restrictions on buying cars as well. 3 day waiting periods, back ground checks, more stringent safe driving courses etc. raise the age of driving to 18 did you know that car crashes are the leading cause of death for people ages 15-20? 2,500 teens die each year from car crashes.
40,000 fatalities each year in the US from car crashes.
Sounds like from just the numbers we need more stringent driving laws? Agree?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 26, 2015 18:04:37 GMT -6
How can it be called a boogy man when every democrat talks tougher gun control when another shooting pops up? Even more so around election times! Pan handling to the anti gun crowd.p
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 26, 2015 18:02:25 GMT -6
Nope travel is governed by the states unless your hauling on interstates then the Feds step in.
That is why states have different ages and regs for private vehicles on roads.
You can lose a drivers license many more ways than you can loose your gun rights . Yet still automobiles cause many,many,many times more deaths each year than guns.
You have to be 18 to buy a long gun and 21 to buy a handgun or to purchase handgun ammo. No state has people wait until 18/21 to drive.
Also in many states if you buy 2 handguns in one sale they are mandated to send such info to the county sheriff in which you reside.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 19:53:55 GMT -6
Fullers 1-11 was a go to lure for me in the spring and summer in SD for many years. Marty's is just as good.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 17:46:59 GMT -6
Marty's stuff is far better without a doubt! ever since JH has taken over fullers business after the first two years those lures have changed a lot. I used to buy 1-11 from Fuller by the pint, bought some early on from JH still the same then it changed big time as have others he formulates.
Haven't bought from him in 7 years or so?
Try Marty's wolfers pac versus J&M and see if you can't tell a difference!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 9:47:48 GMT -6
Outside of a few extrs votes it blows my mind why the left keeps trying to pass more stringent gun control and wiping away freedoms from people?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 7:49:23 GMT -6
After the sad tragedy at Oklahoma State home comming parade yesterday and it seems this lady drove her car at speeds of 40-50 mph into the crowd killing 3 one a 2 year old which is just very sad and demented and many other injured it is time our congressional leaders take up car control. He should all go back to the horse and carriage as many 1,000's of lives would be saved each and every year. Please write and urge your congressional people to pass a measure banning cars that can approach speeds above 20 mph.
In all seriousness this lady we will find is a whacked out nut job, who shouldn't have had a drivers license and caused a lot of hurt,pain and death but we will never legislate these actions from not happening . No different than gun violence.
A sad deal in Oklahoma and I hope they give her life in prison with no chance of parol! Prayers to all those involved from this nut job will be interesting to hear why she did what she did. my guess is attention starved or close to it.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 7:32:55 GMT -6
TMan not lean as far as numbers per say lean as far as ability to capture and kill prey for food for those pups that have little experience on their own and the young prey base learning quicker and more cover as the summer goes on. I have cut open a lot of coyote stomachs and August is when you will find a lot of beetles and hoppers in them and less meat for sure than any other time of year. They are easy and available, birds and mice come next I feel many of those birds are fresh killed by other means than the coyote itself killing those meadow larks.
Lure testing have you tested curiosity lures t see what response they provide at a set? Again curiosity is a broad term one would need to quantify what that means before we could label anything such.
I use baits and some could be considered curiosity because they have rat gland,mink glands or lanolin in them, yet to me they a still a bait as the primary ingredient is meat based from either horse or bobcat. Some garner a better longer response than others, same with many lures.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 7:20:19 GMT -6
Obama brings a lot of criticizisiom on himself in the way he has handled certain issues and what comes from his mouth as well Jim.
Race is played by both sides no doubt Obama used the Ferguson deal to garner future votes for the left, if you think not your kidding yourself. He and holder made themselves look foolish on that one. I am sure he is the one to pressure Mo gov jay Nikon to kept the national guard at a stand down after all back broke loose and the rioting left uncontrolled, he cost Mr Nixon much credibility in the state and pretty sure a republican will be the next govenor of Missouri.
So race is used in all side no doubt.
But again he is a grown adult and the president so he stands accountable for what he can control and has done the last 7 years correct?
Tman the right brings up Regan a lot and it is not with hate what so ever! Much of what he accomplished still fits into the mind set of a conservative. Sure some extreme right wingers might not care for some of his decisions, overall he was a well liked and respect president for his many major accomplishments and his ability to stand for what he thought was right and to get two sides to work together.
Obama failed in many people's minds because he is not adequate for the job due to his past or lack of such ,in many arenas of holding the president position. His experiences not good enough for some of the issues he has had to handle. If we want people to be responsible they have to be accountable that simple.
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