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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 7:49:23 GMT -6
After the sad tragedy at Oklahoma State home comming parade yesterday and it seems this lady drove her car at speeds of 40-50 mph into the crowd killing 3 one a 2 year old which is just very sad and demented and many other injured it is time our congressional leaders take up car control. He should all go back to the horse and carriage as many 1,000's of lives would be saved each and every year. Please write and urge your congressional people to pass a measure banning cars that can approach speeds above 20 mph.
In all seriousness this lady we will find is a whacked out nut job, who shouldn't have had a drivers license and caused a lot of hurt,pain and death but we will never legislate these actions from not happening . No different than gun violence.
A sad deal in Oklahoma and I hope they give her life in prison with no chance of parol! Prayers to all those involved from this nut job will be interesting to hear why she did what she did. my guess is attention starved or close to it.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 9:47:48 GMT -6
Outside of a few extrs votes it blows my mind why the left keeps trying to pass more stringent gun control and wiping away freedoms from people?
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Post by trappnman on Oct 26, 2015 6:15:08 GMT -6
in all seriousness- what do you think traffic laws, car safety features, and etc and etc and etc ARE?
TC- in all seriousness- why not allow anyone, at any time, to have a drivers lic w/o and restrictions or qualifications/
after all, free movement of travel is included in the constitution
this gun control boogy man is getting old
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 26, 2015 18:02:25 GMT -6
Nope travel is governed by the states unless your hauling on interstates then the Feds step in.
That is why states have different ages and regs for private vehicles on roads.
You can lose a drivers license many more ways than you can loose your gun rights . Yet still automobiles cause many,many,many times more deaths each year than guns.
You have to be 18 to buy a long gun and 21 to buy a handgun or to purchase handgun ammo. No state has people wait until 18/21 to drive.
Also in many states if you buy 2 handguns in one sale they are mandated to send such info to the county sheriff in which you reside.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 26, 2015 18:04:37 GMT -6
How can it be called a boogy man when every democrat talks tougher gun control when another shooting pops up? Even more so around election times! Pan handling to the anti gun crowd.p
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Post by PamIsMe on Oct 27, 2015 3:19:11 GMT -6
The only purpose for a gun is to shoot "something". Cars can be lethal weapons but it's not their only purpose. Cars are a necessity in this day and age, some people are paranoid enough to think guns are a necessity as well, but I don't see any parallels there at all.
37% of households say they have a gun/s and a share of those have them only for Protection. 97% of all households have a vehicle, and 85% of them use it to go to work.
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 27, 2015 5:15:24 GMT -6
Pam the purpose of a gun is many fold and who cares what use people want from a gun? Provided they are law abiding? Sport shooting that of shooting targets has grown many fold in the last 10 years
Also home protection is protected under the 2nd amendment and many state laws as well.
To say there is a right or wrong answer for gun ownership is off. Some hunt, some want protection because of where they live, some want to shoot targets etc.
Be like saying the drunk bought a car to get him to and from the bar daily. So let's up the red tape to buy autos as the facts below tell us something.
If we want to look at just numbers of deaths caused cars versus guns big,big difference so if this is all about safety then we should have further restrictions on buying cars as well. 3 day waiting periods, back ground checks, more stringent safe driving courses etc. raise the age of driving to 18 did you know that car crashes are the leading cause of death for people ages 15-20? 2,500 teens die each year from car crashes.
40,000 fatalities each year in the US from car crashes.
Sounds like from just the numbers we need more stringent driving laws? Agree?
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Post by PamIsMe on Oct 27, 2015 14:30:59 GMT -6
"Pam the purpose of a gun is many fold ..." The reasons for having a gun may be many fold but I stand by my statement that the only purpose of a gun is to shoot something :-)
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 27, 2015 15:43:46 GMT -6
Yep so is a bow and arrow, a knife is made for cutting things, a sling shot to shoot a projectile as well and your point is? lol
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Post by bblwi on Oct 27, 2015 20:08:53 GMT -6
I don't think you want to spend a lot of time making guns comparable to autos as there is a lot of registration, training and licensing that is required to drive let alone own an automobile. Something that gun advocates don't want to have happen from what I have been seeing. Guns may have multiple uses or values and are a protection tool. Actually a highly law abiding society is a good form of protection as well, but many don't like the oppressive rules that would come many times with a regulated and protection based society or culture. Autos allow lower and middle class and youth to experience many aspects of our culture they would not have without transportation as a way to increase one's standard of living. Guns don't offer the masses that much opportunity for changing their lot for the future unless armed robbery is a way to increase one's net worth.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 29, 2015 5:20:28 GMT -6
Bryce lots of paper work for guns as well. You have a vin on a vehicle, serial number on a gun, you have paper work for a car and 4473 for a firearm. You Renew your drivers license, you renew your conceal carry permit which cost people far more than a drivers license on avg in most states.
many states do not require drivers Ed but honor system hours driven, pass a written and driving test and you get a license. Conceal permits many states have mandatory classes and a shooting proficiency test. Then a trip to the sheriffs office for a background check above and beyond the one for purchasing the firearm and cost and weeks of time.
Try buying a suppressor and see what is more daunting of task, procuring a drivers license or buying a suppressor for a rifle. A good friend who is a retired law enforcement officer waited 14 weeks for a suppressor and the paper work and cost associated with such run 100's of dollars. not including the cost of the supppressor.
With the value of human life getting worse all the time you think we will ever see a mass population that abides by the laws in large numbers across this country? The reason the second amendment is there to protect the citizens against such.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 29, 2015 7:28:39 GMT -6
TC, you even argue that guns aren't made to shoot things?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 29, 2015 14:19:28 GMT -6
Where did I argue such?
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Post by trappnman on Oct 29, 2015 15:47:13 GMT -6
Pam the purpose of a gun is many fold ..."
what other purpose does a gun have? Whether for protection, work, sport the purpose is still the same
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Post by bblwi on Oct 29, 2015 16:45:57 GMT -6
Paper work is a lot different than registration, licensing, training and annual cost of title etc. I think it is really a sign of where rabid gun advocates come from where just doing paperwork is a serious infringement upon their rights and it does not even require much of what other ownerships need. You can't even rent a DVD or video without high levels of personal ID but you can buy an expensive firearm at a gun show with limited to no Id or personal information.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 30, 2015 5:02:42 GMT -6
No they really are not Tman, personnel protection and choice of fire arm is different than a LR target gun, a hunting rifle or shotgun etc.
I did agree that a gun shoots things but as I clearly stated a knife is used to cut things, yet they still have many different applications and forms. Same with firearms. A knife or now can be as deadly as a gun so maybe background checks for knives as well? One life or twenty how do we quantify value of each? Then propose legislation on it?
Silly really.
Bryce paperwork is a "loose" term the paperwork has all of your personnel information and asked you to be honest on a series of personnel question far more detailed than getting a drivers license. Bryce what state when getting a drivers license ask if you have ever committed a misdemeanor of domestic violence Or asked have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective? Or how about are you an illegal alien? Or are you addicted to marijuana or any other illegal drug including narcotic, depressant,stimulant or any other illegal drug? People would be up in arms saying that is against my rights as a private citizen LOL.
Ever get asked or does it matter to the drivers license office if you are under a court order against harassing , stalking your significant other or child? Don't think so.
Any yes answer stops the sale right there and then you must do the call in and it clearly states if you lie about the answers your breaking federal and state laws as this is a federal form from ATF.
I know of NO gun dealer that will sell a firearm to anyone without a valid ID maybe a few do, but to protect themselves ask for an ID and anyone at a gun show who has an FFL must do the same paper work on firearms gun show or retail store, the only ones who do not are private to private sales.
I have sold a a few guns private to private and always get a copy of their ID and keep it on file in case anything comes up down the road, just smart is all.
Your argue ent is a weak one even if we make a law that all private sales must call NICS just like an FFL dealer, you think that will stop any criminal from getting a gun? No way they will offer a price that will still have plenty of out law types willing to sell no questions asked and you just made law abiding gun owners jump more hoops with NO real gain for the law in the first place.
I can buy a car from a dealership and fill out tons more paper work or buy a car from a private sale and hand them a check and transfer a title and it is done in no time.
Why don't we do background checks on all automobile sales no valid drivers license no sale of the vehicle private as well? Maybe a guy has a suspended license for DUI and we just sold him a car or truck to go back drinking and driving?
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Post by bblwi on Oct 30, 2015 15:15:56 GMT -6
They do for life insurance, ask if you have committed a felony or served. But then I don't feel that most states feel that actions of misdemeanor drugs, or domestic violence or A @ B or armed robbery are that connected to driving a car, but sure are indications that if you have become violent with other weapons you may with a firearm as well. I have felt all along that the NRA and others that rely on the high courts for their protection have navigated down the wrong path. If it is the constitutional right to bear arms then it is also a right to not have to live in fear of being assaulted by those with firearms. There is a constitutional duty to provide a legal and protection system in the USA for people to live and be safe with undo fear. Sooner or later the rights of victims may well trump those that want t use the legal system to maintain rights for a minority of the population and getting smaller every year. We live in a litigious world and relying heavily on the legal system may be the undoing of many basic rights. This becomes more of a reality when those that uphold narrow views on the Bill of Rights also support strongly other social and cultural philosophies that were the norm 200 years ago and not today.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Oct 30, 2015 17:43:54 GMT -6
No they really are not Tman, personnel protection and choice of fire arm is different than a LR target gun, a hunting rifle or shotgun etc.
the point is moot- but all the above, guns, have 1 purpose- to shoot and hit what they are aimed at
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 30, 2015 18:40:36 GMT -6
And knives have one purpose to cut things...............
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Post by trappnman on Oct 31, 2015 6:20:26 GMT -6
yes, that's right
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