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Post by buzzsaw on Sept 28, 2013 6:55:15 GMT -6
Zagman,
"You know, I'd love to play, but since no one else really posts here now and/or only lurks, it'd be me against you two and a couple new Kool-Aid drinkers you've hooked, so I see little reason to keep feeding the machine. At least we now know there really IS one type of trapping where only ONE approach is right and works......never thought I'd see it."
Here's my take on this post, and I'll start with the above comment from Zagman .{hope thats ok}
Myself i'm a 20 canine a year hobby trapper that hopes to glean info. {lurk} , there's not a lot most of us can comment on that would be productive or useful.
Myself I like your comments and am envious of 100 coyote years and try to learn as much as possible from you and others.
I've talked to you a couple times and pm'd you etc . and have always been very grateful to receive the knowledge for free .
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Trappnman , these are great Questions
#1 Within a coyotes range, locations exist that get use by most coyotes within that range frequently
#2 That multiple groups, do share these use high use areas
#3 That there will be a stall out point, shared by those multiple groups
#4 The value of such locations is both the increased visits by coyotes, but the mindset that occurs at stall out locations
But for myself HOW ? do you learn the answers and increase your catch when ...............
1 - you want to trap in your home area since trapping is a hobby and you need to go to a job for most daylight hours.
2 - you have many many other trappers/ hunters to contend with .
3 - properties are small patches/ off limits etc , you can follow tracks ect. trying to learn but will be trespassing by time you get a 40 let alone a mile
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1080 ,
you should be a politician or a lawyer because you leave a heck of a lot more questions than answers .
I understand you have worked hard learning what you know and you don't give out anything for free ,,,,but your posts go in such circles , i yi yi !
Humor me I'll give you a scenario .
A friend wants coyotes off his land , 200 acres mostly field , i set it up , dirtholes , flatsets ect.
About 8 sets , first day i have 3 coyotes , aha i've figured this yote trapping out !
ah but day 2 dawns and what do i have -1 refusal at a previous days catch circle , even tho i had added a new fresh set off to the side the day before.
this goes on for a week , no coyotes around 1 day , 1 worked set another , a coyote a week later. no pattern really
Can't afford to keep driving 40 miles for 1 coyote every 2-3 days.
can't really get off this property as most of the other landowners are off limits.
I mean how do you corner these coyotes , I can't find 'the spot' maybe 'the spot' is on the off limits properties , but yet i need to kill some coyotes.
like others I've read a lot of books ,a lot of studies and the light bulb ain't coming on !
doesn't mean we don't want to be better coyote trappers , it means a lot of us are having trouble grasping it on a part time basis .
now I'm off to work so kill me at leisure.
Lee
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Post by bogio on Sept 28, 2013 9:04:42 GMT -6
I prefer grape flavored please.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 28, 2013 9:52:27 GMT -6
Buzz saw I ain't no 1080 but working on 200 acres your going to be limited to a time and a place and fewer coyotes. It just the way those scenarios go! Your going to take a few coyotes but when the instant attraction wanes they are moving on, could be a little further or a more depending on the situation your dealing with.
To maximize your catch bait stations could be plus but the best bait station on a poor location won't increase your take by much. One needs to look at ground in a larger picture and you can cut out a large percentage right off the bat due to what a coyotes needs in their life, I have trapped large ranches 20 times the size and more of 200 acres and even these offer a handful of top setting locations. I cut out the marginal ground right off the bat and know those aren't the places to maximize my catch.
Your looking for the best locations that will send the majority of coyotes by your sets , having a set 200 acres to work with will prevent you from the get go unless it is the choice location to be on in the first place. Why trap an area that yields 3-5 coyotes when within a reasonable distance you could trap the area that yields the higher majority that area has to offer?
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Post by 1080 on Sept 28, 2013 9:53:36 GMT -6
Ha, nice try! (BTW, my videos and photos would support or erode MY theories......and yours.) I am self-deprecating, a trait some of you do not embrace. Thus, the title of my book you pulled from "The Vault" from several years ago and mentioned above. You know, I'd love to play, but since no one else really posts here now and/or only lurks, it'd be me against you two and a couple new Kool-Aid drinkers you've hooked, so I see little reason to keep feeding the machine. At least we now know there really IS one type of trapping where only ONE approach is right and works......never thought I'd see it. You don't need me to post....you've saved every photo, video, post, quote, I've made for a decade. Its all in "The Vault" (and a little creepy, LOL).......and with the flexible rules here, once I have posted them, they are yours to do whatever you want with them. Have fun with it.......I can be another one of those "decent" trappers that USED to post here along with hundreds of others....... Gappa, please stick to your word and take those videos down please.......or have your other "moderator" do it. I have to get ready for coyotes and another year of muddlin' through mediocrity! Good luck to you to! Zagman Self deprecating to be sure  You didn`t need to bring your sneer however!!! Countless "Types" of trapping,Tman has embraced one in particular.Somehow(once again)this discussion became about the system I embrace,that HE chose to follow(or try to)..Not which one is right !! Not sure how you took something else from what has been said(at least by me)..When I mentioned "It would work no other way" the reference was to Andy/I trapping together.He wanted to see my style,not Us doing what he had done previously! Once again we you/I see things differently(and or read things differently).. Earlier,the topic became "You vs Gappa".I might add by your OWN accord.Now you care to make it"You vs Me",once again,by your own accord..Why?..I have no interest in that !! In one breath you make fun of this place in regards to a "Learning" site.In your mind is no longer,but when asked to post vids/pics and have a discussion you (once again) take it as a personal attack. I can assure you,it was not !!! I realize your sensitive to my jabs.I apologized to you personally,NOT a single vid(rock&clod,Lift buddy lift) nothing,no mention of you.I was/am sorry your feelings were hurt.I told you that,and you appreciated my kind words..Move on. Mediocre/decent,,,your words.Enough of this Victim bullshiit,OK !!! I asked you about your vids for one reason,and one alone,and it had nothing to do with busting your balls.You make some good vids(thats a compliment just so your aware)and you said you had info on said vids to refute yours/mine beliefs on coyote behavior,and/or trapping techniques. I think thats great.Lets see it !! I haven`t handed you much(couple biggies) but made you think for yourself,you know that ! I asked questions to get your insight(thoughts) on why you do what you do and thought processes to come to the conclusions you have....NOTHING more. You seem to take offense to being questioned.Tman asked countless questions throughout this discussion,you failed to answer,took objection to being asked,and assumed it was a knock on you/your program.I read it.It was NOT. Same applies to bogio starting the thread,and now me for asking to see vids you say you have refuting what "ALL" of us believe.Fantastic,lets see them,and make your case... I have no interest(promised I wouldn`t) bust your balls..I like your vids just as you said you like ours.So lets see them.I am more than open to your conclusions/ideas/concepts.Whether I agree in the end makes no difference,any more than what I think makes any difference to you or anyone else for that matter.We will ALL draw our own conclusions and I would like to hear yours on this matter.This isn`t about pointing fingers,what I HAVE posted on what I DO/believe was never an Indictment of you(your trapping),or anyone else for that matter !!! We(I can) agree to disagree,with you as well as others and still enjoy discussing it.Frankly,I prefer to discuss things with those I DON`T agree with in most cases(politics excluded)..How/why/what in regards to behavior was topic from the get go,your video Illustrated what 1 member in particular had questions about... NOT,How can I/we/some of us Fuk with MZ.. You choose not to trust me/my intent....So be It.. You care for CIVIL discourse,and a back/forth(not finger pointing),I`m all ears,and would respect your vids,the content within,and you,and what you have to say !! |
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Post by 1080 on Sept 28, 2013 10:22:04 GMT -6
1080 , you should be a politician or a lawyer because you leave a heck of a lot more questions than answers . I understand you have worked hard learning what you know and you don't give out anything for free ,,,,but your posts go in such circles , i yi yi ! Humor me I'll give you a scenario . A friend wants coyotes off his land , 200 acres mostly field , i set it up , dirtholes , flatsets ect. About 8 sets , first day i have 3 coyotes , aha i've figured this yote trapping out ! ah but day 2 dawns and what do i have -1 refusal at a previous days catch circle , even tho i had added a new fresh set off to the side the day before. this goes on for a week , no coyotes around 1 day , 1 worked set another , a coyote a week later. no pattern really Can't afford to keep driving 40 miles for 1 coyote every 2-3 days. can't really get off this property as most of the other landowners are off limits. I mean how do you corner these coyotes , I can't find 'the spot' maybe 'the spot' is on the off limits properties , but yet i need to kill some coyotes. like others I've read a lot of books ,a lot of studies and the light bulb ain't coming on ! doesn't mean we don't want to be better coyote trappers , it means a lot of us are having trouble grasping it on a part time basis . now I'm off to work so kill me at leisure. Lee [/quote] My intent is to leave others with questions.Most don`t listen,and typically learn when they draw their OWN conclusion. Circles when what is said is not understood,and I don`t,by design,always try to be clear Your dilemma. You have 200 acres,nothing more from the sounds of it.I can`t make coyotes "Stay on this parcel".. Inject a dead horse with----(u fill in the blanks)...Take what comes !! Do you see another option ? Good luck with "Cornering coyotes",especially with traps!!! |
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Post by trappnman on Sept 28, 2013 14:50:44 GMT -6
[buzzsaw, TC summed it up pretty well. if you only have those few acres to trap, then you are limited in what you can do, and if you took 3 out of 8 first night, then 1 a week- that should be telling you that at that location, you most likely have taken the few that use it on a regular basis, and then picking up a few as they move in. I know that scenario very well, having endured it for 20 years. if you truly have no other ground, then you need to be content with what you have. 1080 once told me when I asked "what happens if what I think is the best spot, is off limits and the farmer says no?"- that "if he says no, then he can't have too much of a coyote problem, move on" and a simple statement, but hey- makes perfect sense- if a farmer says no, chances are he doesn't have enough coyotes to matter. but when a farmer asks in mid summer- hell yes, can you start today.... it means he DOEs have enough coyotes to matter so all I can say is you need more ground. Bob Wendt once said, and it is something I do agree with him on-better to drive 50 miles to take coyotes out of traps, then drive 10 and have empty traps. To get any kind of coyote numbers, unless sititng on that fabled Kansas stokcyard where 80-100 are possible in a short time, you simply need a wide scope to put up numbers. as mentioned, the concept is simple enough- pick a location that multiple groups use, and then find the lay up or stall out point on that location. The dead cow study is important becasue it tells us this- the larger the attraction, the more groups it attracts, and in a high multiple use area, the behaviors change KEEP IN MIND: this is not in anyway stating that setting on deadpiles, or setting on travelways into the dead pile, is what I stated above. It is not. What I mean to convey- is that the big attraction must be there-and the reason it must be there is that it attracts multiple groups. I know there will be those that read thea bove, and come to the conclusion- set on dead piles and away you go. not so. so lets get as detailed as I'm going to get- the locations I'm looking for HAVE a big attraction- ideally its a big dead pile- but it goes down in degrees from there- keeping in mind that the reason a dead pile etc attracts, is FOOD. Either food at the source (dead pigs or cows or sheep) or food surrounding the source. so deadpiles, manure piles, compost piles, concentrated areas containing good hunting opportunities are what I look for. And cows are involved in conjunction with all of the above- I believe just having a few (20-50) cows around, DOES attract coyotes beyond having a dead one occasionally. For example coyotes eat a lot of stuff out of manure- whether in piles, spread across fields, or natural dropping even just the smell of cows. I set very few locations that don't have cows or pigs or sheep on them, at the very least closeby. pretty much any place I listed above, you can catch coyotes. I have no trouble finding those locations- and setting up in the local stall out spots (that place where its obvious by tracks scat etc thats its a frequent use area) or the lanes coming into them. buzzsaw you give a perfect example of how I did set out my line- except I'd have a ton of such locations, and 1, 2, 3 here and there added up. And I knew, that if I wanted more and more coyotes, I'd need to set more and more traps. I've detailed before i nmy collaring studies, how 2 things occurred. either it would be a location where i'd collar 1 or 2 coyotes, and they would always be in that general area- or I'd collar 4,5,6 coyotes- and they were scattered to the winds when being located. long before the internet coyote discussions I came to the conclusion the 1 or 2 places were the local couple, and the multiple coyote places were social areas, or partry areas, or whatever terms you liked, but the bototmline is coyotes from all over came there. That was the beginning of my quest to find those type of locations. So when innate behaviors seemed clear to me as to why those "hot" spots occurred, it fit right in with my beginning thoeries. At the time, I used physical characteristics to aid me, and that worked to a degree, and I've found several such hotspots over the years based solely on the lay of the land. These discussions have led me to understanding WHY the occurred...and if the why was known.... you come to beleive either one of 2 things, and thats up to you as to what choice you make. #1 that all coyotes circle, its just part of the game and you adapt or 2) few circle in the right circumstances. I choose to put my faith in the second, that the location, becomes in effect that old Silver bullet Wiley used to speak of. so thats really the crux of this whole thread- and thus the original pic of snow, a burned out location, and a coyote circling that set. Is that behavior so inevitible that the only solution is to make sleepr or subtle sets? Or does the behavior change, via the exact location? one thing people need to always keep in mind- you can agree or disagree with one study or the other- but study after study, including the one I participated in here, show that on average, a coyote travels 7-10 miles a night. That should tell you, albeit in general terms so note the pattern not the individuals, that coyotes move, a lot and that if you have a lot of traps in a general area, then you are in essense setting large amounts of traps, for the same coyotes. and it also shows you the value of finding "THE SPOT" type locations, where you have multiple groups of coyotes. One needs to locate denning areas, and figure out how they are intertwined viv a vis attraction areas. and thats where I fail in location selction, because I DON'T put that time in. reminds me of years ago in beagling, and old guy I knew started hundreds of pups in a year, and he'd laugh when someone said "they didn't have the time to start their pup".....24 hours in a day for everyone, its how you choose to use your time. so the advice I've gotten- take the time so if you now have a good attraction point- if you can find the spot, you will be able to set up where they all come, rather than setting up 20 locations with 2-3 traps to try to take one here, one there. and going back to the original question posed by bogio- in these stall out locations, they DO NOT exhibit circling behavior, and tend to work certian types of sets better thna others. so its a win win- right set, right location. now, on this quest I am not always on location, but I CAN at least make sets, that does attract the majority so its kind of a win win- look for THE SPOT, use your best at that spot, and if not there, you still did the best you could Here is a location I've trapped for 20 years. its good for fox, coyote and coon.  additional information the gravel road pointed out, deadends. a field road goes from it for a good mile and a half, winding through fields and terraces over to another valley. that valley has a creek, and in the valley past the stock pens is another creek. the big pond is sloping and dry on the left, and dammed at the other. in the next coulee just beyond the pond, is a bone pile and an occasional calf the main dead pile I pointed out is down into that small coulee maybe 300 yards I have permission to trap all you can see, and have, and coyote tracks can be found in all the obvious places. I find 1 location to be the best. I'd welcome comments and discussions Zags, I truely would like to see your videos that you have that show behavior debunking the concepts being discussed and can assure you that discussing your videos, is not putting you down in any way, its simply a discussion of whats occurring and why. You take great videos, and I enjoy seeing them. I don't take it personal when folks discuss my videos, and you shouldn't either. if anything, you have directed this tone with comments such as koolaid drinkers. ================= true story from my side concerning 1080s coming to CRU- Wiley told me, there is this guy, 1080, that is going to join- you will find him to be....."troublesome" at times- but NO ONE has more coyote knowledge than he does, and it would benefit the forum to have him a member. truer words were never spoken |
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Post by RdFx on Sept 28, 2013 15:21:44 GMT -6
Hmm....(true story from my side concerning 1080s coming to CRU- Wiley told me, there is this guy, 1080, that is going to join- you will find him to be....."troublesome" at times- but NO ONE has more coyote knowledge than he does, and it would benefit the forum to have him a member.
truer words were never spoken)
Seems to take after ol Bill Nelson.......
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Post by J. Smith on Sept 28, 2013 18:16:08 GMT -6
Hmm....(true story from my side concerning 1080s coming to CRU- Wiley told me, there is this guy, 1080, that is going to join- you will find him to be....."troublesome" at times- but NO ONE has more coyote knowledge than he does, and it would benefit the forum to have him a member. truer words were never spoken) Jeez, that must have been like the scene in "Blazing Saddles"....when the new sheriff came into town! If you have never seen it look it up it's hilarious! OK, 1080, sorry but couldn't resist. I'm new old stock here, and it's time to pipe in. Running a line here in NY is much different than the high plains or corn belt. And yes I have trapped in the west. Most farms average 250-350 acres on my line in NY. You will run the tires off your truck looking for the ultimate locations and then they may be a county or two apart. For me, here in this geography with roads ,houses and people everywhere, and ,covering six counties in twenty plus/minus days, I will continue to stop at all the locations that produce . Farms still get added and tossed every year to keep up averages. Out west, to travel twenty, thirty or more miles to a location that will produce 25 plus coyotes in a week, it makes perfect sense. Tman...right on....one thing I learned quickly here is that where there is cows there is coyotes.... Jim |
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Post by buzzsaw on Sept 28, 2013 19:36:48 GMT -6
thanks for some more insight guys .
"the spot" kind of explains my buddies farm , there are cows and I'm sure it is the draw.{mostly heavy forest for several miles in 3 directions of his farm}
the farmer definitely does not want any predators so i can do what i want on his land .
He has actually suggested us bringing in road kills this fall to make a constant draw and we will.
the kicker up to this point was the surrounding land owners that are mostly city slickers .
while trying to be trophy deer hunters they want zero traffic on their property during season which here is basically sept 15 to jan 1 .
I have tried the less predators = more/better deer hunting , but have not had much luck with access.
there is land between 2 and 5 miles that i can trap , it may still not be 'the spot' but maybe with some homemade dead piles and finding the best spots on those properties .
I can reduce his coyote numbers , just not harvest them on his land.
Lee
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Post by buzzsaw on Sept 28, 2013 20:01:10 GMT -6
After re-reading the above I understand the deadpile is not 'the spot' necessarily .
but i can probably increase the catch of animals that frequent my friends farm by fanning out several miles in all directions picking the best spots on the best properties i can get permission on .
And some extra feed won't hurt anything either until i can find 'the spots' in this area.
Also back to the very first post ,if that picture -the beautiful half circle of tracks around a set is what you find .
and your land is limited what IS you best option , more /new subtle set ?
or did all your posts go over my head like a low flying jet ?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 29, 2013 6:54:24 GMT -6
to get things back on track, and to dovetail into the recent posts, bogio asked these questions concerning a video where a coyote had avoided a set, circled it, etc. It was a remake set I believe
Bogio asked-
We discuss the importance of a set they are comfortable with. What didn't they like here? The set with the dropping looks low all around it with the snow cover. Did they not like that or was it something else?
Does this location not offer what they are looking for in a stall out? Is it more of a pass through area where they are less receptive?
What about this setup compelled the coyotes to circle, back off ,leave a dropping, perform kickbacks, and leave the area without being caught?
THOSE questions, are what we are discussing-or should be
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Post by trappnman on Sept 29, 2013 7:08:31 GMT -6
jim- not much difference here. My main limitation, is my territory is only 180 degrees- on my north and east, I live right on the mississippi river, and thus am limited in where I can go. I've frankly gone about as far as I can go- to the north is WI, to the south 35 miles is a large city, and after that its suburbs and flat cash crop land. To the east/Se 50 miles, is the river again, to the NE is the Twin Cites 60 miles away, and to the west 50 miles you get into the flat corn belt country (which is worthless for coyotes, when its all cash croppers). So I'm locked in until MN offers NR so I can trap across the river
and through the middle of my territory runs huge hardwood coulees, good for coon, but no place or reason to concentrate coyotes anough to bother trapping
farms here are no different that yours- 250-350 acres.
I have no doubt that I was running a line exactly like you- but the premise of covering an area with less traps 1 or 2 locations that were stall out spots for multiple groups- versus 20 places to try to hit them all appealled to me on just that basis alone- but when you added in that finding those spots allowed you to leave that area far sooner, I was hooked.
but even so- wanted to go this route 5 years ago, put all my eggs in one basket so to speak, but didn't have the cajones- now I wish I had, it would have put me 1 year further along.
I used to have a set coyote line- I'd break it down into two loops, adding and pulling traps in those loops for 2 weeks, sometimes I'd leave them in for 3 or even more.
now I run 5 loops, in pretty much the same time frame. now, as the loops are filling in, I can add more farms, eliminate some- and now have (I hope at least) 5 solid loops, enough farms to justify 100 traps-
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Post by bogio on Sept 29, 2013 8:15:42 GMT -6
to get things back on track, and to dovetail into the recent posts, bogio asked these questions concerning a video where a coyote had avoided a set, circled it, etc. It was a remake set I believe Bogio asked- We discuss the importance of a set they are comfortable with. What didn't they like here? The set with the dropping looks low all around it with the snow cover. Did they not like that or was it something else?
Does this location not offer what they are looking for in a stall out? Is it more of a pass through area where they are less receptive?
What about this setup compelled the coyotes to circle, back off ,leave a dropping, perform kickbacks, and leave the area without being caught?
THOSE questions, are what we are discussing-or should be I had hoped for some discussion of the videos I posted previously here but they were lost in the debate about the existence of the spot so I moved them to their own thread. That field road intersection is a location I had trapped in past years. It looks great from a text book perspective and the tracks show that coyotes are present and traveling the road. The problem with this location I THINK is that that is exactly what those coyotes are doing, traveling through. I set there for 3 or 4 seasons and the best it gave me was 4 coyotes. I also saw quite a bit of the same circling/avoidance in the snow that is seen in the videos at the top of the thread. Two years ago I abandoned this location and went about 3/4 mile further along the river to a location closer to an attraction/draw point like Tman describes. In addition, there is a wet land corner there providing me a stall out spot of sorts to get them stopped and milling around. That location has yielded 22 coyotes in those two years. What's even more interesting is that on that location, one particular spot produces ALL the coyotes while sets in relatively close proximity are ignored. |
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Post by trappnman on Sept 29, 2013 8:25:31 GMT -6
Thats exactly what I see as well bogio-
and without a doubt, setting travelways with enough traps, does give you coyotes-
but as I'm thinkin' and change spots on the same locations, I see the same- those travelway coyotes take less coyotes, because they are caught faster, at a different spot, and by the same token, i'm taking coyotes that simply bypassed or came in on a different travelway-at that spot
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Post by 1080 on Sept 29, 2013 8:32:23 GMT -6
OK, 1080, sorry but couldn't resist. I'm new old stock here, and it's time to pipe in. Running a line here in NY is much different than the high plains or corn belt. And yes I have trapped in the west. Most farms average 250-350 acres on my line in NY. You will run the tires off your truck looking for the ultimate locations and then they may be a county or two apart. For me, here in this geography with roads ,houses and people everywhere, and ,covering six counties in twenty plus/minus days, I will continue to stop at all the locations that produce . Farms still get added and tossed every year to keep up averages. Out west, to travel twenty, thirty or more miles to a location that will produce 25 plus coyotes in a week, it makes perfect sense. Jim I hear/understand what your saying Jim.What you described sounds like my jaunt to Indiana to a T. Average farm about the same,people everywhere,Hell we pass Burger King,Wal Mart,you name it.6/8 counties,your counties are very small compared to western counties.I could put 3-4 of Andys counties in 1 Western county!Run tires off,yep,if you watched our vids I made reference to 300+miles a day more than once.The amount of calls we get from people wanting US has become overwhelming!They have a "Scorched Earth" policy,I luv it :)Plenty I don`t like.All the trees,tired of looking at cornfields,humidity,the God damn bugs.Farmers in overalls is amusing,nice folks thou.New landowners calling all hours of the day/night."My God you have got 3/4/5/6/7 coyotes (whatever) standing back by such/such,come get em.We explain,sometime today we will be by.I don`t like driving by these folks house,many times the main road/access goes right by the house,oftentimes we creep by the middle of the night,forgo the sidearm,and keep pounding coyotes. Yep,,,,it`s a challenge,the catching is the easy part,it`s ALL the other people related bullshit I don`t like. Everybody wants to stop and Talk,Very,very different out west.Quite churchy where Andy is.Out West,town is Bar/gas station,in that order... Also,,,I never advocated 25 miles between stops back east/midwest.Just have to know what to look for,and WHERE,and I do !!!! Trapping itself is the easy part...IMO |
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Post by trappnman on Sept 29, 2013 8:33:53 GMT -6
for example, on the video I posted- when I could trap what was shown, my main setup becamse that long field road connecting the 2 big valleys- that road is covered iwth tracks, and te farmer says he sees coyotes on it, or near it, quite often.
got 1 there last year, 2 the year before
lot to be learned from both your videos, and the one I posted- I KNOW where the best spot is on that farm, and as pointed out- on the fencelines, by the pond, elsewhere- good sign of travelling coyotes
yet the catch was sporadic, and I was forced to set here, there, and everywhere, cause I thought that was how to do it- and i DID catch coyotes in quite a few places over the years in what is shown on that video, and "the spot" or at least where I've found the spot to be, is shown as well.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 29, 2013 8:38:08 GMT -6
farmers here have one thought- if they are busy, they got no time to talk- but, if they are not- they have all day and think you do as well
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Post by Nick C on Sept 29, 2013 9:59:56 GMT -6
T-Man,
Something to throw into the mix. I've only heard coyotes howling where I live one time in my life, but when I've been in other places in my state, and the Midwest/West for that matter. It seems they often howl in groups, probably not areas of overlap, but a place that coyotes are stalled out, they're comfortable to mill around, and let their guard down, so to speak to howl. Anyone ever visit their trapping locations/areas to see if there is coyotes howling there?
1080, that's one of my favorite movies of all time
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Post by trappnman on Sept 29, 2013 10:22:40 GMT -6
I have, but usually rely on my farmers. I always ask- where are you hearing them?
Was thinking of you today- I'm guessing your harvest in full swing by now? about 10 days ago, the big dairys really started chopping, but I've seen no corn picked yet (heard one guy was via grapevine)and have only seen one small field of beans done
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Post by Nick C on Sept 29, 2013 13:41:25 GMT -6
Yeah T-Man, harvest in full swing starting this week. Hopefully we can get it all done in October. Last year we were about getting done with harvest at this time, this year is more seasonal.
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