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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 28, 2012 14:06:16 GMT -6
Sounds about right robert and it doesnt cost me a hundred dollars a year to run a freezer.
If I had to hang on for 3 years it would cost me a dime a rat.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 29, 2012 8:07:33 GMT -6
Robert you talk about walk ins and the such and holding fur up north but what is the true cost of such?  To tell me this cost 5 cents or what ever is not the true cost. How much does a walk in cost? Repairs and the such? You can't just figure in energy cost. What does Nafa charge to hold a 1,000 coons for 3 years or 2,000 rats for 4 years? Still doesn't answer the question as to why any fur brought to Nafa is called "FRESH" goods. No other commodity would get labled as such. If it is organic in nature time will be a factor on it no matter storage, nothing last forever and none of them are what I would consider "fresh" if 2-6 years old. Still sticking with the point doesn't help the fur market in the long run, but manipulates it!!!!!! Not all to the favor of the producer either. I;m sure after grading some of it gets knocked down becuase of age and color depending on many factors, but the term "fresh" is used as a marketing ploy and heaven forbid ever to use the term holdover or stale goods as a way to show a better picture of what the market is doing. In grains you have have old crop and new crop prices maybe we could do the same with fur old crop versus new crop  What the market absorbed in the fur boom will never be seen again, fur doesn't hold that kind of value nor will it be used by as many people through out the world either. Market manipulation seems to be the key anymore............................... |
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 29, 2012 9:16:21 GMT -6
One thing we know for sure Randy is never is a long time.
Does two year old corn in the bin bring less money than new crop?
Dont think so.
How about 5 year old corn?
Might at the initial point of sale but it will be blended in with new crop.
15 cubic freezer will run about 4 bills. Should last 20 25 years.
So 20 dollars a year to own said freezer and 25 30 to run it.
3000 rats would cost me 15 cents to store.
150 beaver would cost me a quarter give or take.
I sold my beaver this year randy for 38 bucks after commision. Last year I would have probably got 15 at best.
Was a quarter worth it?
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Post by robertw on Apr 29, 2012 11:25:36 GMT -6
TC39,
To date NAFA has never charged me a dime for storage of fur and have held beaver for three years before releasing them for sale. The only requirement that I am aware of is that the fur actually sells through their facility and they get the commission off of it. They (NAFA) hold large volumes of dealer goods "under protection" until the set price is met to sell these goods.
You also need to understand that these walk in freezers are often ran year round anyways and the increased bulk / volume inside of them actually helps them run more efficiently.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 29, 2012 11:47:06 GMT -6
You also need to understand that these walk in freezers are often ran year round anyways and the increased bulk / volume inside of them actually helps them run more efficiently.
Good point robert.
The fuller a freezer is the more efficient it runs.
Also helps if a feller aint going into it every day like one that is used for household purposes.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 29, 2012 13:23:23 GMT -6
steve depends on what that corn is used for 5 year old corn isn't going to yield as much oil as new crop corn for sure! It also depnds on bins and humidity and temp levels your storing it at. Mold and bugs can also have major effects on long term grain storage which add cost as well. All corn is mositure tested and selling corn outside of the normal time will be checked for mold which will impact your price paid some not even bought depending on useage of such. Warmer than normal winters will have an effective on mold issues in corn even with the best bin storage, so yes added time in a bin can cost you money. I fully understand a full freezer being more efficant, but do I thinka walk in would be cost productive for ME? Heck no!!!!! Not when I consider cost, repair and the it shutting down when it is 90 out! Remember certain areas can be without power for some time, in the real sticks we have went a week with zero power and many longer than that. Tough to keep a walk in running on generators hey LOL. WE have had parts of rural SD that went 14-20 days without power it happens both summer bad weather and winter bad weather, home type offerings much easier to run on generators but still added cost as well. Some area far more conducive to such things. Also much added cost for 3 phase wiring as well in many parts of the US vary as well. I had the opportunity to have a massive grinder run at my place except for the cost to have 3 phase run onto my property. That new 3 phase capable transformer would have been very exspensive. I would have to add that into the cost as well. I have chest types and have stored some fur but nothing more than 1 season. Ohter markest for some goods other than NAFA to recoup money and sometimes better money than a fur buyer. Most fur I sell goes local , quick and clean. Some to the taxidermy trade, years back when Iowa coyotes where bringing 12.00 in the country and 22.00 on auction I was selling them for 40.00-45.00 each in an alternative local market. Robert because I choose not to spend 1,000's on a walk in doesn't mean I don't market fur to my benefit, a benefit means different things to different people. But your savy ability at marketing and trapping is sure something to behold and think about sir  |
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 29, 2012 14:35:04 GMT -6
Randy, you are hard to please.
Sure corn could mold or fur could as well or there could be a myriad of things that go wrong.
But guess what that stuff might be labeled as "fresh" at NAFA in regards to the offering but it will be graded as such.
I've been told no less than two major fur buyers in the US that it doesnt hurt to store fur if done properly for and extended period.
I flat out asked the guy who buys my rats as of now if it would hurt to keep them for couple three years if the market crapped and the answer was no it doesnt hurt.
Me, I hope that guys keep on selling them when the market craps. I'm not gonna.
Someday the rat market for my type will go back to 3 bucks apiece and when the day comes it goes back to six I hope to have 3 to 5 thousand stored up.
Better than money in the bank if you ask me.
Oh BTW power problems you speak of arent endemic to south dakota. They can and do happen here as well in the rural areas.
Thats what they make generators for. Need one for the house any how.
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 29, 2012 14:47:34 GMT -6
Robert and Steven, Ive never baled fur. Always kept in the grease and finished the following year like Stevens beaver.
Questions... You just build a press to create a bale the proper dimensions for your chest freezer? How many coon do you per bale and what its weigh? I currently have all 25 cu ft models, but thinking bout it... if using baled fur might want the 15's...then one bale per freezer type deal?
In short..the nuts and bolts?
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Post by robertw on Apr 29, 2012 15:24:11 GMT -6
Chris M,
As for baling coons and your specific needs, depends on the the freezer and the shape of cut out for the compressor. Alot of times you would be ahead to bale / bundle single stacks of coons (with a card board wrapper) 50 at a time (one single stack of 50 at a time). The trick is to make bales / bundles that will fit in the various part of your freezers.
If you seperate your smaller coon (say under 27" or even 30"), these coon can go in the freezer on end in the remaing space you have after the big part of the chest type is stacked full.
My experience with storing beaver after they are worked is different. Those big beaver go in the freezer bent with both sides of the pelt bent up along the walls of the freezer and you just keep stacking them in there "horse shoed". I seperate the small beaver and stack them flat on the bottom of the freezer before putting in the larger beaver. Whenyou get to the top of the freezer and have the "trough" left in the middle of those big beaver then you stack it full of something else like otter or coyotes or what ever.
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 29, 2012 16:24:13 GMT -6
"bundle single stacks of coon"
Why didn't I think of that.
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Post by seldom on Apr 29, 2012 16:30:28 GMT -6
Robert and Steven, Ive never baled fur. Always kept in the grease and finished the following year like Stevens beaver. Questions... You just build a press to create a bale the proper dimensions for your chest freezer? How many coon do you per bale and what its weigh? I currently have all 25 cu ft models, but thinking bout it... if using baled fur might want the 15's...then one bale per freezer type deal? In short..the nuts and bolts? Chris, didn't' BW tell us some years ago how he used used a sheet of plywood cut to the inside dimensions of his freezers and weighted them with cement blocks. I've always thought that his method was a practical application for maximizing freezer space! |
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 29, 2012 16:49:14 GMT -6
Yes I do remember that Seldom. I thought that was referring to grease coon not finished, as he was comparing to rolled up pelts...but my memory ain't much anymore!
Id think with finished pelts a baler would do a much better job cause you would band them after compressing. Not sure how Bob's method would work on finished pelts..... every time you removed the blocks to add more skins wouldn't they expand up?
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 29, 2012 16:50:53 GMT -6
Chris I dont trap enough coons to amount to baling or storing.
Dont even hold them over as the coon I catch at the times I generally catch them have decent value. Except for a truly bad market.
I pretty much put my beaver in like robert suggests.
I've never stored rats. I used to ignore them when the market was down.
That will not happen again. I will trap them and store em.
People need to keep in mind as well the type of rat I have.
When they are going for five bucks in say wisconsin or michigan mine are bringing 3.
I'm not selling rats for that again.
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Post by seldom on Apr 29, 2012 18:02:21 GMT -6
Yes I do remember that Seldom. I thought that was referring to grease coon not finished, as he was comparing to rolled up pelts...but my memory ain't much anymore! Id think with finished pelts a baler would do a much better job cause you would band them after compressing. Not sure how Bob's method would work on finished pelts..... every time you removed the blocks to add more skins wouldn't they expand up? Hey, maybe he was talking about grease coon now that you mention it!! Shoot, I guess my memory ain't what it used to be either!  |
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Post by robertw on Apr 29, 2012 18:31:31 GMT -6
The thing that alot of people don't understand is that with the volume of fur some trappers handle we simply can not get it all processed in time for the last recieving dates for the May sale (especially the guys that trap in the south and trap until March 1st before even driving home).
Thankfully most states do not have mandatory sale dates or do not have regulations against possesion of fur year round (regulations apply from the state the fur is harvested in).
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 29, 2012 20:25:50 GMT -6
steve playing a "little" devils advocate, but I still stand by the dislike of anything new to auction being labeled fresh goods. I also wonder how fur kept for extended periods dresses out? I mean many things are freeze dried, so when does the sub zero temps start to take too much mositure out of a hide and when rehydrated in the tanning does it dress out as well?
By extened I'm talking past 2 years on finished fur. I do agree with you though on why keep good coon in a decent market? One old fur buyer always said, Good high quiality fur will always have a market worth selling at. Low quaility fur has to have more volume to make money on. I have seen these MO coons,coyote and grinners LOL.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 29, 2012 20:45:42 GMT -6
Sounds like a whole lot of screwing around baling fur. The shape of your coon are going to kill you on trying to get many finished coon In your freezer. Rats I can see but with coon let NAFA store them for FREE.
I have 350 some rats to do out of the 2400 but I don't know If they will give me one more day.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 29, 2012 21:04:33 GMT -6
How about if i dont want to market them through NAFA?
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Post by blackhammer on Apr 29, 2012 21:46:32 GMT -6
How about if i dont want to market them through NAFA? You have to quit assuming the market is going to tank Steve. lol Otherwise your storing fur is a good idea.But the negativity.? |
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Post by robertw on Apr 29, 2012 22:17:55 GMT -6
For alot of trappers storing fur is more about holding the fur until they can meet the truck when it runs the route again the following year.
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