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Post by fishdaddy on Jan 22, 2005 8:30:58 GMT -6
i thought bob checked every few hours and he catches a lot of coyotes.
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Post by Edge on Jan 22, 2005 9:55:51 GMT -6
**Im sorry if i have pissed some off about liking this style trap and believing in short checks but i have seen it help here in our area. **
You can like mousetraps for all I care,but once more,stating opinion is great,like your sentence above.Its when you badmouth other traps or legal methods;not welcome.I hope you can tell the difference.
A case(or post)in point,would be 1080's.While it may be coarse,it doesnt slam any of your methods,in point of fact,he states you are welcome to rubber traps and 24 hr checks.Just dont try to curb HIS traps and check laws;to which,I say,"Exactly".
Where you find locations for the number of traps you claim in Bloomfield Hills is beyond me,but what the heck,more power to ya.
Believe this;you show up on a predation control job woith a mittful of rubber traps and you will be laughed right off the property;telling the ranchers you are gonna check every 24 will prolly get a restraining order on ya.
Its a different strokes kind of thing;best let the control guys and longliners do their thing.
Fish, Bob catches lots of coyotes,for sure,and checks OFTEN.
However,he does it for 5 or so weeks.
In point of fact,I trap for 8 MONTHS.Not even Bob can keep that pace up for 8 months,not a chance.And just to be sure,I'll ask him when he gets back.And this is by no means an attack on Bob,he does his thing,and I respect that. More importantly is that he realizes that his way is not EVERYBODYS cup of tea;which has increased my respect for him.
Unlike some of the posters here,I have the option of checking my traps every 72;sometimes I check every 24,but for the most part,72 works better. BUT,I do remember the days of 24 mandatory checks;they were horsecrap.
So I have operated both ways.........which gives me the ability to judge from personal experience,not something I "imagine" or "have heard about in some Bunny Hugging pamphlet"..........how bout you naysayers?
By and large I am in the "dead" market;and have been for a long,long time.And in that capacity,my personal observations have told me that any death I can give a coyote,whether it is brought on by dehydration or a bullet in the head,is far more coyote friendly than any form of death I have ever seen mother nature dish out.
Edge
PS Good posts by all;keep em civil and we keep the thread.If it goes south in my absence,please mods;send it to the moderators room and I will clean it up.
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Post by briankroberts on Jan 22, 2005 10:03:52 GMT -6
Very good point I try to use what works for me in a given situation and take what info I can from the people I come in contact with and or read about, I have gleaned knowledge ( both god and bad from many) I try to not think there is only one way and it helps me to keep learning( heck I learn new stuff all the time and change my methods). 1 thing I don't do it try to tell someone how or what they should do when I have no experiance in it, whether its the live market , hunting exotics in enclosures,hunting bear or cats with dogs, or 72 hours checks. I don't do so I have no right to comment on it, JMHO.....B.....
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Post by NattyBumpo on Jan 22, 2005 10:53:56 GMT -6
Edge, Bob has caught over 10,000 fox and coyotes in softcatch traps. He knows the little secrets that make the softcatch the best canine trap. For those of you who laugh at them and call them toys stick your hand in a #3 softcatch you just made a big mistake. You aint gettin out without help.
It is a whole different world out west than it is in the east as far as trapping goes. If I told a farmer that I will put out my traps and come back in 3 days to check them, I would never get permission anywhere. And it is just my opinion that the 72 hour land set check is the worst possible thing that could happen to trappers public image.
I would however not agree that the east has more trapping regulations, aint there a couple western states that you cant even trap or you have to use stinkin' box traps?
And in my state you can set a 330 as long as any part of the trap touches water. And we can set 280s up on land if it is a swampy area like a marsh or bog or wetland type area which is pretty much half the state.
I would love that bumper sticker it would look great right next to my bumper sticker that says club the baby seals.
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Post by Edge on Jan 22, 2005 11:09:19 GMT -6
Not sure what you are saying in your post that I didnt already know........so if I missed something let me know. MA no longer has trapping;last I checked,that was in the east.IF you think your rubber traps will get trapping back in bidness there,you let me know when we leave. Conversely,if you think long check laws and steel traps got trappign *BANNED*there;you are not very informed.
Despite the herculean efforts of SOME trappers,APATHY gets trapping banned,nothing more,nothing less.
One thing I *DO* know,is that when you state:
**72 hour land set check is the worst possible thing that could happen to trappers public image.**
You are 100% DEAD wrong.
Unequivically,the worst thing for the trappers image,or longevity,for that matter,is infighting,and demonizing LEGAL trapping methods.
Before you start to argue that one;talk with some trappers who have been at it since the fur boom.
Edge
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Post by NattyBumpo on Jan 22, 2005 11:14:05 GMT -6
I was selling fox both reds and greys for $55-65 back in 1975.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 22, 2005 11:19:12 GMT -6
keep in mind we are talking a 24 vs 72 hour check on COYOTES here....
the problem with the east- is for most trappers- coyotes aren't even in the top five of potential animals caught.
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Post by Edge on Jan 22, 2005 11:37:35 GMT -6
**I was selling fox both reds and greys for $55-65 back in 1975. **
OK,so how bout the rest of the thread...any comments?
TMan,I never really thought about it,but you have a point..........in MI right now,arrangements can be made to take both coyote and coon with no liscense,year round............OH WAIT........*thats* how we got the 72 hr check,great point.
Edge
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Post by NattyBumpo on Jan 22, 2005 11:44:07 GMT -6
1080, I also drive a Ford truck and I always pull into farms where I see a Ford truck parked. It is the #1 choice of farmers here. The first thing I say is thats a nice lookin truck you got there. It helps get me permission.
What are the trapping laws in western states like Washington, California and Arizona?
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Post by trappnman on Jan 22, 2005 11:45:18 GMT -6
similar to Massachusetts, Florida and NJ....unfortunately.
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Post by Edge on Jan 22, 2005 11:51:52 GMT -6
Yeah see........THIS is NOT where we are going,Natty,you got something to say,say it.Period.
You have been asked,nicely,to contribute.This BS tac aint getting you anywhere.
Dont make me sorry I offered.
Edge
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Post by trappnman on Jan 22, 2005 12:16:32 GMT -6
well, we all know what makes the world go 'round
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Post by NattyBumpo on Jan 22, 2005 12:31:10 GMT -6
The bigger the cushion the better the pushin'.
We like em cornfed here. We like to roll them in flour to find the wet spot.
;D
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Post by Edge on Jan 22, 2005 12:33:46 GMT -6
Well,while I may not agree on large women.....I want to see no bones;particularly ribs.........or "abs" eiother...............gross.Makes me want to buy them a burger.
Edge
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Post by trappnman on Jan 22, 2005 12:46:23 GMT -6
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Post by fishdaddy on Jan 22, 2005 12:55:44 GMT -6
well back to the subject of check laws.i catch mostly coon no canines.but i dont think you could hold a coon in a trap for 72 hours esp. a rubber jaw trap. without drowning.i have caught 99% of my coon on dry land .
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Post by NattyBumpo on Jan 22, 2005 13:21:26 GMT -6
Fishdaddy the softcatch was not designed for coons only canines.
I agree that you had better check land coon traps at dawn because the longer into the day the harder the coon fights the trap. Many coons will be there at first light but they will be gone later in the day.
But I have not ever lost a coon and some will grade xxl to a pullout or chewout in a 1.5 softcatch.
The softcatch puts a rubber seal around that coons foot and has much more surface area of his foot held in that trap than other traps. Put your thumb in one and you will understand the holding power of softcatch traps.
Believe me I have 4 coiled bridger #2 traps not offset, the largest jaw spread allowed in my state for land sets 5-3/4 inches.
A coon will escape that bridger before he can escape that 1.5 softcatch.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Jan 22, 2005 15:02:45 GMT -6
I'd like to jump in on the trap check discussion.
I'm not aware of any state that requires anybody to wait a certain period of time to check their traps.
If you live in a state with a 72 hour law and want to check your beaver or rat traps every 12-24 hours who's stopping you?
I think the majority of trappers know what works best for what species at what time of the year etc. etc.
I think a recommendation for a trap check makes far more sense than an outright law.
How many of you guys on a 24 hour check have ever been stymied by a truck breaking down or getting stuck in the mud?
Have you ever been so damn sick you couldn't get out of bed that morning?
Have you ever got up in the morning with the thermometer at 40 below zero with a 50 mile an hour wind howling?
Have you ever run a line 50-100 miles from the nearest gas and grub? What do you do when you need groceries?
I would be interested to see how many of you can come on here and say that you've never missed a trap check on a 24 system with a straight face.
I understand that you all try but honestly can you say you've never been put in the position where you just couldn't do it?
The last point is statistically how many animals would be in the trap the maximum time?
Most people's brain automatically go to the longest possible exposure.
That would mean that the animal would have to trot over and jump in the second you stepped away.
If that were the case why not just harvest him right then and there? Hell why not just shoot him on his way in and save the whole remake?
The point is that in most of the animals are in the trap far less time than the time between trap checks.
Probably 1/3 to 1/2 of the animals on a 72 hour check spend no more time in the trap than those checked every 24.
I'm sure this could be plotted statistically. Possibly a linear regression graph would be a good tool.
Is that acceptable? It is to me.
Joel
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Post by Stef on Jan 22, 2005 15:07:12 GMT -6
I think it is Stef
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Post by dj88ryr on Jan 22, 2005 16:19:29 GMT -6
You freakin scientist baffle me, but I do subscribe to that theory Joel. At the very least I would say that most animals are in the trap only a few hours, maybe a few more for the 72 hour check, but not with any certainty. I could really support advised check times, that way the perception could still be 24 hours, most of the non trapping public would never understand the whole system anyway, and those that are opposed to what we do, think 5 minutes is cruel and unusual torture. Yes, I have gone over the time for checks, I make every attempt to be legal, but as some guy once said $hit happens.
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