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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 18, 2016 2:18:50 GMT -6
"she could kill a person in cold blood on Pennsylvania Avenue and you would all have her an excuse or aliby all planned out." LOL I think you have the wrong candidate there. You may think that, but Hillary doesn't. However Trump does, he said so: Trump: I could stand in the middle of 5th ave and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters' www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/The ongoing email saga is just a soap opera which the Repubs will keep recasting and play over and over in different versions until the election is over. Bernie had it right, Who gives a d*mn about those emails. Just another version of Trump's making excuses on why he will lose; the media is against him, the election will be rigged, and Hillary should be in jail(Because that's the only way he has a chance). People are getting very sick of his whining and obnoxious pronouncements and every day he goes lower in the polls. "She supports a 12-15 min wage per hour as well. All fluff" I have no doubt we will see the national minimum wage will rise in the next few years. People that don't have enough money to live on, have no extra money to spend. No spending, the economy goes down the tubes. Cheers Pam
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Post by James on Aug 18, 2016 2:39:23 GMT -6
All that may be true, but in her favor is the fact that she's not Donald Trump.
Can anyone say what Trump would do as president? Do you really think he's a man of his word? Bankruptcy court is where people go to escape from their promises, and Trump has been there six times.
The man won't even release his tax returns. And some people still trust him?
Jim
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 18, 2016 3:42:31 GMT -6
See again Pam you divert like a good lefty will. Instead of just saying yes she lied but people don't care, you bring up a trump quote and not speak to her lying about top secret classified information stored on an insecure server, which could still lead to future issues. I mean they hacked into the DNC and we now know the fix was in for Hillary, where is the outrage Bernie supporters? the DNC ousted their leader and no one cares? The now VP candidate used to be the DNC chair hum? Funny how that all works out.
Pam 12-15 ,means nothing as the scale for public assistance will follow and so will cost of goods and services but hey 12-15 sound better than 7.65 -8 . I get it. Will cause job loss not job creation that is a fact.
James yes trump,filed chapter 11 6 times all due to a failing gambling industry , I get the fact of people not liking that , I too not a big fan, but until our govt changes laws they are what they are correct? I mean let's look at the big picture on chapter 11 he filed for a total of 1.9 billion, that is peanuts compaired to Chrysler that filed for 36.5 billion,GM did the same, pacific electric in California is the all time leader at almost 40 billion dollars. American Airlines as well over 35 billion. The list goes on.
Trumps tax returns really? We have a woman who has been proven to lie about top secret and classified information on a personnel server and we are truly worried about trumps tax returns? Wow. I hope trump does release them just so the left can move into the next issue on Donald trump.
One might want to look how the Clinton foundation is setup, very hard to track any real numbers and they did it that way on purpose.
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Post by musher on Aug 18, 2016 6:08:06 GMT -6
All that may be true, but in her favor is the fact that she's not Donald Trump. Can anyone say what Trump would do as president? Do you really think he's a man of his word? Bankruptcy court is where people go to escape from their promises, and Trump has been there six times. Jim And there is pretty much the only reason Clinton might win. People do not like uncertainty and between a devil they know, and a devil they don't, they pick the devil they know.
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Post by redsnow on Aug 18, 2016 8:44:43 GMT -6
The fact that Trump is not Hillary, will probably be the reason that he wins.
Not counting the perjury charges, I look at the deal going on in Iraq. Looks to me like the State Department, under Hillary pretty much pulled the rug out from under the US trained Iraqi forces, and you see where we are today.
Add in the deals with the "Clinton Foundation", gee whiz!
Talking about these polls, give it a couple more days, I've noticed where Trump is gaining ground. As a rule, folks don't think highly of a person that is a habitual liar.
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Post by redsnow on Aug 18, 2016 14:15:50 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 18, 2016 15:25:29 GMT -6
Musher, I don't know how much of a devil trump is?
We do know a lot more about Hillary and yet people still back her? Mind boggling really.
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Post by redsnow on Aug 18, 2016 17:15:20 GMT -6
Boys, not much comment today!
Lock er up!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 18, 2016 18:55:33 GMT -6
Also will shall see what her plans are for Obama care, Aetna is closing down 70 percent of their Obama care insurees, they are loosing 100's of millions each quarter, in fact the only companies making any money in the exchanges are those that are heavily subsidized by the federal govt. healthy people more willing to pay the penalty than hook up with AHC, so the companies are insuring many with costly illnesses and costing them a lot of money, there will be more than a few states that will be down to 1 option per state and the cost are going much higher.
Obama said cost will be lower with AHCA, not the case and many said it would not be, I guess the proof is comming out?
So will Hilairy add more money to offset ever rising cost? Make a much harsher penalty to force people to buy some thing they do not want? Or go all out socialist and try to convince congress to pass an uber expensive social healthcare program? The latter will never happen, she will take it out on coal miners and gun owners I guess ?
Yet no one takes about the 20 trillion debt and rising, I sit and wonder how much will Hillary add to this 20 trillion if given 4-8 years and what effect that will have on our country and kids? By the way precious metals are starting to go back up, this would be the time to buy gold once again. 1320.00 up 5.20 today betting if Hillary gets elected we will see 1700 -1900 gold again. That would be around a 30 percent return on investment. Darn good considering where other options are at, except for the taxes paid LOL.
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Post by redsnow on Aug 18, 2016 19:08:43 GMT -6
Folks, I've been waiting. I'd just like to have one single person, explain how someone thinks that a 12 year old kid being violently raped is funny! Come on, explain it to me! I'll challenge anyone!
Something to be laughed about?
Come on, give me one good reason!
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 18, 2016 23:18:37 GMT -6
"Instead of just saying yes she lied but people don't care, you bring up a trump quote and not speak to her lying about top secret classified information stored on an insecure server, which could still lead to future issues." When we're talking over 35,000 emails I personally don't believe she thought she lied about anything. Classifying email after the fact does not constitute in any way a federal offense.There were no laws or rules about the Secretary of state using a private server at the time, nor was she the only to do so. To date there's NO proof that her email was ever hacked, unlike the Federal Office Of Personnel, the State Department, the Department of Defense, The Energy Department and White House emails, not to mention the Wikileaks debacle. Exactly where does anyone think her email correspondence could have been stored that was safer? correctrecord.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Email_SecurityMatters_report.pdfSo yes, I do think it's all political gobbledygook designed solely to make her look bad. Pam (and I didn't mention big T either lol)
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 18, 2016 23:47:13 GMT -6
I did do a search on the Thomas Taylor case. Even read all the court documents. Did you? Hillary did what good defense lawyers try to do, plea bargained and with little to no evidence, got him off very lightly. Was it right? In any case, it was legal. www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/Also read this interview long before Clinton was running for President. The victim's take on Hillary has changed a bit since then. Newsday interviewed the victim six years ago for their 2008 story. In it, the victim described how she had three decades of severe depression and other personal problems following the assault, and disputed claims that Clinton had once made in court against her. "It's not true, I never sought out older men. I was raped," the woman said. But, she added, "I have to understand that she was representing Taylor. I'm sure Hillary was just doing her job." Cheers, Pam
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Post by James on Aug 19, 2016 2:52:18 GMT -6
Both the innocent and the guilty are entitled to a defense. I don't think less of Hillary for what thousands of lawyers do on a daily basis.
That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel for mud to sling.
Jim
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Post by musher on Aug 19, 2016 4:32:16 GMT -6
Musher, I don't know how much of a devil trump is? Listen to him when he speaks! I can understand why people back Clinton. Just as I understand why people will vote Trump. Something I find funny is how Clinton supporters seem to portray Trump supporters as male, toothless white trash with a gun and drug problem. They cannot see the forest for all the trees. To them there is no problem - except for Trump. At least Trump supporters see that there is a problem - and it isn't all Clinton. She is a manifestation/symbol of the problem What is the problem? Many, many things that different for some people and generalized for all. What I see as a problem is that our closest friends are very divided. The healing process will not be easy.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2016 7:07:14 GMT -6
TC- quite honestly, read neither of your posts. done playing your games. so if you are addressing them to me, don't- cause I won't read any of them.
redsnow- " I assume there were no crimes committed"
what crimes were committed by Clinton? FBI head- a man who got 100% approval by Congress, who GOP for years has described as an absolutely honest man- said none were committed, it was a unanimous decision by the FBI prosecutors.
so I agree- since no crime move on.
but will you?
as far as Trump getting things fine tuned-
his words will be in every ad- esp his "I tell the truth" when there are literally countless videos of him saying one thing emphatically one day, and the exact opposite the next.
plus- all the fine tuning in the world, isn't going to erases his past words, and actions.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2016 7:13:01 GMT -6
as Pam has psoted, the rape thing is a lie.
just another right wing lie
since they can't win on the issues, their only resort is lies.
trump continues to tell lies, even when truth is known on so many, many things. The devil IS known- and he disgusts me.
oh- about the rape thing-
Snopes says Hillary Clinton did not volunteer to be the defendant's lawyer, she did not laugh about the case's outcome, she did not assert that the complainant "made up the rape story," she did not claim she knew the defendant to be guilty, and she did not "free" the defendant.
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Post by redsnow on Aug 19, 2016 8:52:38 GMT -6
Well, not sure? The only thing that I know is what I see and read.
One of my best friends is a hard core Democrat, no matter what, he'll vote Democrat. But he's like me, he'll vote against Hillary. Really think the 3rd party folks, that's pretty much a wasted/protest vote, so that'll take a small percentage.
Just my thoughts, a lot of folks are not following along with this election very close, not yet. Either their mind is made up, or they'll decide in the next few weeks.
Trump it seems, is starting to talk more like a politician, yet still an "outsider". He's toned down things.
I agree with what Brian said above, you'll see the "silent majority" vote, and it won't be for Clinton. There are a forest full of votes, going for Trump.
Also noticed where team Trump, has plans for some TV time. Not sure what Hillary has spent so far? Last I heard Team Trump still has their money in the bank. I've read where Trump has some good videos coming out soon, right into your living room. Then we'll take a look at the poll numbers again.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2016 9:09:27 GMT -6
what you read and see- has to be factual, not made up to matter
I can post video after video of Trump talking- spouting lies, spouting hate, spouting racism- That's fact
yes, there will be a silent majority- and it won't be for Trump
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Post by redsnow on Aug 19, 2016 11:05:37 GMT -6
Well, I'm not so sure.
I try to look at both sides of everything, and one thing that I keep seeing, Hillary offers more of the same. We're just sick and tired of the same!
Above Steve said something like this: "Hillary has done wrong, but we will vote for her anyway".
That's just the difference between us. I'll give anyone a fair shake, but Hillary isn't up to my specs! She's failed multiple times!
It's just like hiring the neighbor's kid to mow your yard. If the kid goes out the very first time and mows off the tulips, cuts the garden hose in half and leaves a $2,500 dent in the wife's car, are you going to ask him to come back in 2 weeks to mow again?
Now for me, I'd thank the young man for mowing the yard, I'll tell him, darn it, I wish you wouldn't have banged into the car, I think I can patch the hose, I guess the tulips will come back next year. Here's the $25 that I owe you, but I won't need you again.
That's where we are with Clinton.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2016 11:18:37 GMT -6
never said that-
I said there are things I don't like- which was when given a choice I voted for Sanders
I don't think the emails were wrong, anymore than previous S of S use of private emails. you yourself just said above- that since there were no charges, no wrongdoing. be consistent.
the same? you mean 8 years of the party in control of congress, vowing (and succeeding) to be against everything the president wanted, whose candidate this year led the STUPID birther movement?
no, I don't want more of the same congress
but as I said- I can with clear conscience support 99% of the democratic platform- so that's what candidate I'll vote for
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