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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 23, 2015 18:43:58 GMT -6
Bryce look at the top paid actors in 2014 and see what type of movies they are making for the most part! It is not those obscure ones that many do not go to, as a profit has to be made in any movie, low budget films attract low budget actors for the most part. Many of today's highest paid actors are doing action movies. Their bargaining chip for salary is just that.
The academy is out of touch and has been for years just the facts. Hence their dismal ratings here you go hot off the press.
All the awards have been given out and it looks like the final numbers for the 87th Oscars are in. Running on ABC from 8:30-11:48 PM ET last night, the Neil Patrick Harris-hosted show garnered a 10.8 rating among adults 18-49 with 36.6 million viewers. That’s a 17% drop in the key demo from the final ratings for the 2014 Academy Awards and the worst the ceremony has done since 2008, when that show had a 10.68 rating. The total viewership for last night’s Oscars was down 18% from last year to hit a six-year low; the 2009 Oscars also had a total audience of 36.6 million.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 23, 2015 18:47:14 GMT -6
Until they get real with people and the movie goers well they can watch the once famous oscars show will keep slipping into the abyss of TV viewership.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 23, 2015 20:26:42 GMT -6
I never stated I liked the Academy Award show. I am just relating my thoughts and perceptions on the movie industry, which by the way is small here compared to India. Movies are a form of social expression just as politics is, music, dance etc. We are social beings as humans and with 70% of the population externally referenced and not introverted or internally referenced society will continue to look to social expression as a way to belong or be a part of something. Because we are externally referenced that means as humans we tend to follow crowds or make crowds and that can be in good or bad ways. One of the reasons for strong leaders in our past around the world is due to the fact that humans can be easily swayed and not by just good either. We seem to remember our ruthless leaders better than our benevolent ones as a human culture worldwide.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 23, 2015 20:34:01 GMT -6
Could care less about what people in India think really. People,go,to movies to be moved and entertained nothing more or less really.............
In fact one of the best movies I have ever watched was City of Angels. No oscars but a simply great movie.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 23, 2015 22:51:55 GMT -6
I was not stating what the Indian People think or what they like and don't like. They have over 2 billion yes that is with a B that go to movies every year. Bombay (the old city name) is the world's largest movie producing city. As a percent of GDP movies in India are a much larger portion of the economy than here and their better actors pay in relation to ours is higher.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Feb 24, 2015 7:07:22 GMT -6
so if any institution, anywhere doesn't agree with TC- then they must either flawed or corrupt
TC- you said earlier, you go to the movies 2xs a year- how can you offer any criticism to the Academy for wrong choices, when you haven't seen but 1 other movie?
I haven't seen any of them, so I'll grant the academy their expertise
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 24, 2015 16:49:40 GMT -6
Because I can look up the movies and I can look up box office numbers and I can tell. You box office numbers what the people in the US are going to and what they think by such numbers. is a bad movie going to get above 250 million in ticket sales? Another 100 million in DVD/ Blue ray sales?
American sniper is above 428 million world wide enough said.
Since when does the academy decide what is a great movie? LOL. That should be put to the people who go and see such, is their really a knowledge base to what is a good movie or a bad one? really? It is subjective to those that watch such that is what drives sales and makes money, without that money ear would be no academy LOL.
If they want to become the Telluride film festival then keep the status quo and watch your TV ratings for such drop like a rock......... They loose credibility when they make such moves that simple really.
Could care less with the Internet ,I do not need the academy to tell me what is good or bad I can look up reviews and see trailers online without them. Then make a choice to see such or not. I am more a rental guy and with my life do not have time to sit in movie theaters monthly.
What the acadmy did was to outrage those who went to Americna Sniper and discredited themselves by the only award for such being sound editing. That is known as throwing a bone............
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 24, 2015 17:13:33 GMT -6
Oh and just for the record it has nothing to do with ME, but in Fact millions who thought the same thing so not just a TC thing for sure
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Post by bblwi on Feb 24, 2015 17:47:52 GMT -6
People determine which movies they choose to see. The academy chooses who they feel were the best in their perspective roles for the season. I personally don't mind the fact that there are dual ways of determining quality or what is liked or what is best. There are huge dollar value or box office movies each year that do not have any representation by the academy for specific roles or production etc. That said that does not mean they are good or bad movies they just don't meet the criteria established by the academy selection committee. The volume of stolen downloaded music today exceeds that, that is paid for, does that make stealing music better than buying it? The trapping forums had to discontinue selling or trading used trapping videos because trappers were pirating the videos and selling them on the sites. Money does not always speak the most ethical message.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 24, 2015 18:02:29 GMT -6
"American sniper is above 428 million world wide enough said."
So is 50 Shades of Grey and it's only been out a week. Guess which movie I liked better? LOL
There's really no comparison between the acting in yet another war movie and a movie about the life of Steven Hawking or the acting in a dark comedy like Birdman.
"Best Picture is considered the most important of the Academy Awards, as it represents all the directing, acting, music composing, writing, editing and other efforts put forth into a film."
The winner is determined by a jury of their peers, and not determined by which makes the most money.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 24, 2015 18:45:50 GMT -6
Movie of peers is generated by box office dollars, funny thing Pam my wife read 50 shades and saw the comedy play on it in KC but has no desire to see the movie because people have told her the book is far better. So She will not be going and while not into war movies much at all , she went with me to American sniper and found it to be very moving and wants to see it again. Jury of their peers? Please...... American people are not dumb, hence the reason why their ratings for the oscars are falling like a rock. How many film critics agree with the numbers on many movies? You see they have a bias and agenda as well in life, much like many food critics, not about being fair but about control and power. Domestic sales is 131 million we shall see if it stays up there or not. Domestic sales for American sniper much higher. We shall see if 50 shades makes it to 320 million in the US might or might not. take out the sex and 50 shades doesn't make 50 million, but I get it sex sells just fine so does war movies and then you add in real life people it takes on even more of a draw. Pam you are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else, I think the acting in American sniper was very good and he played the role of Chris Kyle well. Steven Hawking might be your cup of tea but not mine. I rank any American who fights and puts his life on the line for our country and freedoms right up there with the best minds in mathematics or physics there is. Again my opinion. Bryce what does illegal activity have to do with box office numbers in the first 90 days of a movie release? Not much. Ebay doesn't a,low pirated items either or any other sight for that matter as it is against federal law nothing more or less to read into it. The money is the reference of what people want to see nothing more or less. They track ticket sales and dollar value.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 24, 2015 18:51:10 GMT -6
Wonder why the academy doesn't list the voters? HUM? I would like to know the actors who make up 22 percent of the votes myself.
Other award voters are happy to tell who they are and many will come out and tell you why they voted the way they do. not the oscars though.HUM?
Interesting: In 2012, the results of a study conducted by The Los Angeles Times was published which revealed the demographic breakdown of approximately 88% of AMPAS' voting membership. Of the 5,100+ active voters confirmed, 94% were Caucasian, 77% were male, and 54% were found to be over the age of 60. 33% of voting members are former nominees (14%) and winn
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 24, 2015 20:34:46 GMT -6
Crazy photo after talking about Chris Kyle and the movie I think........
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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 25, 2015 1:48:37 GMT -6
Hey TC, tell your wife that my friends and I thought just the opposite, the movie is better than the book because it condenses it down. We all skimmed parts of the book/s (the sex got a almost boring after awhile lol). The movie is making it more of a good story.
I liked American Sniper but I liked Saving Private Ryan better. No surprise at all that you are more enamored of soldiers than scientists :-) I still say it took more acting ability to play the part of a man who's lived and aged with ALS for 50 years than a young healthy sniper.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 25, 2015 5:58:54 GMT -6
Again your opinion as to what part is harder to play. I wouldn't call Chris Kyle totally healthy,physically yes mentally not so much, do you realize why he decide to come home for good? You think that decision was easy or one that wasn't a daily struggle for him? Depression and nightmares, how to cope with day to day living a sa normal person,Good grief. mental health not all there.
Again if hawking is your thing great not mine or millions of others who decided not to part ways with their money and go see it.
You skimmed parts of the book? LOL. She found the musical really funny, me never read the book as that type of writing does nothing for me. I would find 50 shades a waste of my time, again each to their own.
Enamored? Call it what you will our freedoms have been maintained by our military personnel.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 25, 2015 11:37:27 GMT -6
so a quality of a movie, is the box office rating? not even close to true- in fact, a good case over the years is that by far, the most successful movie did not win the top awards.
why is it you need to get so defensive, about a movie? if you like it you do- but your task now it seems, is to knock down every other movie (ones by your own admission you haven't seen)
and millions and millions have decided not to see American sniper so, by your admission, that makes it crap.
last war movie I saw was dirty Dozen- and I thought that was good
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 25, 2015 19:51:01 GMT -6
Tman your top sentence explains it all very well and why the oscars has lost most of its credability with people in the US and why their ratings have tanked.
They like to pick the obscure and different and call it all cinema art and such. They do not care what the people paying for and funding these movies like and pay to see, no they like to find the odd balls and rant and rave over them even though the majority of people in this country do not even bother with such.
Again go to any movie you want and others will do the same, but the people decide by box office numbers what they want to see and what they like, not from people making low budget movies with odd plots and themes and bring them from the bottom of the box office and try to make them out fo be some great hidden Gem LOL.
With the Internet people can find out all they wish about most any movie and they can then decide if that is worth their money or not.
The Hollywood crowd again is so far removed from the avg American not even funny. Those that make a connection well look at the box office numbers and easy to see those that do such.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 25, 2015 19:56:25 GMT -6
Tman and the opposite can be said as well, millions and millions went to see American Sniper and it has yet to be released on DVD/ Blu Ray we shall see how many more millions they make off of that release. I have seen the movie and will own it on Blu Ray as well. I buy very few movies they have to be really good to ME before I will buy a movie.
Field of dreams, 42 are the last 2 I Have bought. Field of dreams was an excellent movie and filmed right where I grew up. It has a connection for me.
Dances with Wolves another great movie. And connection for me being the story line and the filming location in South Dakota.
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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 25, 2015 23:37:08 GMT -6
"...do you realize why he decide to come home for good?"
Yep, his wife threatened to leave him if he didn't. Even when he got home and got involved with the company he supposedly started, his lawyer claims that in his will he didn't leave Tara his share of the company because he was afraid she was going to divorce him and he didn't want her to get it. Of course she's suing them. Not all was happyland when he got home.
Interesting how people profess so much concern for returning soldiers and understanding of treatment for PTSD yet give loud cheers that the ex-soldier who killed him gets no treatment and life in prison. It pays in more ways than one to be declared a national hero.
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 26, 2015 5:17:45 GMT -6
Pam his lawyer should have never went insanity . Too much evidence against that .
Him coming home had some o do with his mental capacity as did ihis wife leaving Pam the onset of issues for him.
Sounds like his preservirance and kids helped him through some of it as well.
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