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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 5, 2015 20:55:45 GMT -6
Or losing it.
One of the best movies I have seen in a long time and no comment from you.
Who could fathom Bradley Cooper was in a dumb movie like the hangover. I like Clint Eastwood more every day.
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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 6, 2015 1:10:46 GMT -6
Good movie but involved some fiction as well. For instance the "other" sniper did exist but no record of him ever being killed by Kyle ( or anyone else). Made for good theater though. Certainly made me think about what in h*ll are we doing over there. Good to see Jordan is finally getting into the fray with ISIS. Seems like the middle east countries should be fighting their own battles.
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 6, 2015 5:48:23 GMT -6
Yes excellent movie. Pam I thought about the same but could be the family didn't want to bring this up? Who knows Clint Eastwood would be the one to ask that questions I guess? Could be because of the trial that is set to take place for the murder of both Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield. That would be a lot for any family members to have to endure. Over all a good depiction of what happend according to Chris Kyle. It also showed very well that combat is less about body wounds and more about the mental wounds that many of our soldiers have to deal with for years after duty. Yes Bradley Cooper did an excellent job and I think his effection for helping vets in real life really took this role to another level. Obviously Clint Eastwood saw something in him to pick him for the role? What sickens me is the ultra liberals who want to call him names and some stating he shot first asked questions later. They wait until the guy is dead before they make such comments that is the true definition of "coward". his job is to take out those that could cause American soldiers harm and from all points and references he did an outstanding job at such. he was haunted by the lives lost not the ones he saved. 4 tours of duty and he served us proudly. His platoon used the punisher logo for real and for good reason this guy kept many people alive and took out evil. he was trying to help others until the day he died. A patriot in every senses of the word. I have had for along time an interest in the SEAL's have read most of the true story books on them and own a few like the history of the SEAL's which is very good as well. I buy very few movies this will be one I will buy when available. Zero Dark thirty was another excellent movie as well.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 6, 2015 5:57:16 GMT -6
I doubt he will win best actor because of the content of the movie and those in Hollywood with voting power. This movie doesn't fit their thought process.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 6, 2015 18:32:40 GMT -6
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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 7, 2015 2:04:22 GMT -6
"They wait until the guy is dead before they make such comments ..." I certainly wouldn't call him names, but when he wrote the book I did question his real motives, as I did about the guy from SEAL Team 6 that got bin Laden. i think there are things the public really doesn't need to know that go on in a war, especially when it comes across (to me) as bragging about killing. No doubt the Kyle family needed money, since he never had a paying job after he got out. He also told a couple whoppers about sharp shooting looters after Katrina, about punching out Ventura and shooting a couple guys in Texas. I don't see any reason for that, maybe other than PTSD. Interesting article about the truth and fiction in the movie: www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/american-sniper/ Note that he NEVER shot a kid. That was Eastwood's dramatization. In any case, he certainly has taken care of his family financially :-) Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 7, 2015 7:51:45 GMT -6
Pam he never had any input into the movie, secondly of course Hollywood is going to add some to many true life events, this was never labeled a documentary . Much did come from his book and his wife to get things factually correct, but Hollywood adds to things to show aspects they feel,might have importance to convey the story.
Ventura is well another story some say it happened others say it did not, the judge sided with Ventura. Who knows what really happened between the two?
yes some of those accounts could be attributed to his mental stability.
Again any of these guys have the right to talk about things provided they meet the armed forces regulations. I remember our govt was threating law suits against some, they never happened wonder why?
They Both wrote books on the accounts of war, could be to heal some, could be to make some money I could care less. provided it is factual accounts for the most part both are just that. he died helping others and he helped protect many of our troops who have families and are alive because of the actions Chris Kyle had taken in those 4 tours of duty. he paid a large price for those tours, sorry not going to second guess his motives for writing a book.
I am also not going to second guess Clint Eastwood either. he is not well liked in Hollywood because he is right of center. He has done a pile of great movies, some want to discount his work purely on his political views in Hollywood. one really stupid comments came out after this movie from the so called Hollywood elite, again easy for them to call people names and judge Chris Kyles actions after he is dead and the movie is a smashing hit, that drives the ultra Liberials crazy we all know that.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 7, 2015 8:02:32 GMT -6
yes his wife and kids will be well taken care of because of the book and movie and all other sales of American Sniper merchandise there is a company doing up the t shirts and they are back logged on orders some will go to help veterans and some to his wife as well, again I wish them the best.
Funny how some of us get excited over our sports teams picking up or resigning this player or that player for 10-30 million dollars yet we raise our eye brows at our military people for profiting off of accounts of actions during war time when they are all done giving all they have? Just something to think about.
I also wonder if Chris Kyle where still alive to see the movie, if Michael Moore and others would be so easy to call him a coward?
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Post by bblwi on Feb 7, 2015 15:30:47 GMT -6
I saw the movie yesterday and it was very well done. Eastwood is an outstanding director and knows how to tell a story and develop a plot. I say that regardless of his or Hollywood's political leanings. When we qualify work done either way we allow our bias to lesson the quality of the product produced.
I don't know much of anything about Kyle's other ventures or actions so I won't comment on any of that.
My only comment regarding this is that today one is bashed and demonized for being unpatriotic for even criticizing anything that is produced, written or discussed regarding military. When I came home from Nam it was popular to demoize, spit on our worse veterans. we had chopper pilots who flew over 200 combat missions who had to hide their uniforms and never write a book or make money and were lucky to even be considered an American for decades. The pendulum in my opinion almost never spends much time in the center is the extremes that we as a capitalistic, individualistic, money first culure honor more than a better society. Society or the betterment of society is thought by many to be too socialistic so we prefer a my way or the highway approach to being a better American.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 7, 2015 16:51:10 GMT -6
Bryce a you referring to Michael Moores and other hollywoods comments as being bashed on because they talk about military?
What happened to your generation and coming home from Vietnam was totally wrong and because of what was endured then is less tolerant today. I for one say good for that!
No one serving their country should have to put up with what people did when they came home from Vietnam.
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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 7, 2015 17:39:52 GMT -6
"... our military people for profiting off of accounts of actions during war time..."
Must be just a sign of our times. I knew WWII vets and there are many Viet Nam vets, and mostly they just won't talk about what they did or saw, they preferred to put it in the back of their minds and try to forget.
I certainly agree about the Viet Nam vets. Even with an unpopular war the ire should be directed at the politicians who created it, not those who were forced (for the most part)to fight in it. It was a shameful time all around. As is IMHO the Iraq war and Afghanistan. We lose thousands of soldiers and in a few years time the countries will be back in the same situations as if we were never there.
".. as a capitalistic, individualistic, money first culture..." That's our problem these days in a nutshell I'd say.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by bblwi on Feb 7, 2015 19:13:48 GMT -6
No I was not referencing Moore as it is common throughout the nation today as when one question's war etc. you are told you are not for the troops and not American. As a VFW Post Commander I have witnessed this many times locally when I see persons even question if what we are doing is correct or not and I think that it does not allow for appropriate discussion regarding significantly important issues.
How we were treated is as it is and most have moved on in spite of the rude actions. What I was referencing more is that due to the fact that there was so much negative publicity involved in the war there was no opportunity to talk out of turn and make millions selling books or making movies because there was no market for Hollywood patriotism until movies like Platoon etc. and they were not about being heros but trying to depict what fighting in a war with enemies on the front and at home was like.
When flying over nations that we were not supposed to be over we did not write books about our adventures we kept our mouths shut like we were supposed to do.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 7, 2015 20:49:21 GMT -6
Again I do not feel it is my position to tell those who have given what they have for protection of our country and freedoms, if talking about their war time actions is appropriate or not, that is their decision and I am sure many have various reasons for doing so. The information is generalized for the most part they are not given out top secret information or our govt would come after them I would suspect.
if it helps them to heal, feel better so be it, if that means they make some money so be it. They have given the ultimate sacrifice so I will not judge them on that account alone. Endangering other inlisted personnel would create something all,together different, but I do not feel many of the books I have read that the information inside of those books gives any real information out to potential enemies. They have their own Intel which is far deeper than what I have read in countless books that I am sure of.
Pam my grandfather was in India during WW II and never liked to talk about it either, but in some regards I wonder how healthy that was? For some maybe the best approach for others? Who knows? Again hard to judge unless we are their seeing what truly happens.
the accounts and books written or talked about gives us an In site into such all be it a smal portion for the most part.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 7, 2015 20:57:00 GMT -6
I have no problem with American sniper or no easy day being written and found both very good reads and seems good books get made into movies. Zero dark thirty was based on such and American sniper the same. I thank these men and woman for doing what they do to keep our country the best in the world period.
In fact a company that is making the t shirts for Americans sniper forged is giving some of the profit to Chris Kyles frog foundation so it is helping other vets as well.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 8, 2015 13:07:46 GMT -6
It just goes to show how little you remember about the past for Nam Vets. How many companies do you think were willing to make "welcome Home Nam Vets, Job well Done" so they could donate to the wounded vets?
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 8, 2015 15:13:10 GMT -6
None to not many doesn't mean I forgot Bryce means nothing can be done about that now. Meaning Imwish there could have been better treatment back in those days but there was not, we have and can learn from such I believe.
A guy that works with me was in Vietnam he tried once about 30 years ago or so to use his vet care and get signed up,the system told him he made too much and his worker coverage was too good for him to apply for and receive such coverage.
To me you serve you get coverage no matter what, if you choose to use such.
We need to take better care of all vets and we can learn a lot by the treatment of the Vietnam generation of those that served.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 8, 2015 18:43:22 GMT -6
I know you may well feel it was an injustice but you don't get the message that few if any could profit from their service like they can today. In a world about money that is a huge, huge loss of opportunity. Yes I know all about being too well off to get service, so I pay $700 every 2-3 years for glasses instead of getting a new pair free every two years. I also did taxes for some vets who spent literally years working to get disability so they could get more free medical, income that was not taxable and then go and find work, so the doors swing both ways and the always do.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 8, 2015 20:51:53 GMT -6
Sure the doors swing both ways they do on many govt run programs. I can assure you the guy I work at age 73 worked hard for many,many years and still continues to work for me and puts in 40 hrs a week spring through fall. he can work circles around people half his age. he doesn't need the programs the point being he should have received just as any other vet IMO.
The issue being today Beyce is instant media, can make things happen much faster and easier in today's world then the 50's and 70's. For what ever reason the information is given out faster and more told by the media, we have more instant media than any other time competition allows more information to go down the pipeline.
If these movies and books can show people even a small portion of what they endure,maybe we can expect better services and care after they pay the price for defending our freedoms............
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Post by bblwi on Feb 8, 2015 22:19:29 GMT -6
If it was only government programs that were being abused I would agree with you about government waste and fraud but to believe that the private sector is the hallowed ground of innocents when it comes to fraud is really naïve at the least. Everybody wants to do away with government because it is bad but no one wants to delve into the private world to fix those issues and thus the only source of ferreting out abuse in the world for the most part is from our governments and the rules and laws we make, even if the enforcer is not immune to being part of the problem. In a 17 trillion dollar GDP economy I would not hesitate to suggest that private sector fraud would be close to total tax collections for federal income tax yet that is the real reason we are all poor and down and out today!!!
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 9, 2015 6:20:42 GMT -6
Bryce fraud has to do with what as far as veteran care goes? if this govt or any other expects people to enlist and defend the country and freedoms of such, then the govt which is tax payer dollars better have the means and things in place to take care of those that need it period, or scale back the number of enlisted personnel that they can afford with tax payer money. Or go to nothing but a bombing national defense with no boots on the ground anywhere.
Their should not have to be 100's of veteran programs set up as non profits to help take care of these people. The govt runs and control national defense and military then cover the cost of what is to come from battle. Simple really. those people have paid a high price in combat either the govt needs to step up or again I have no fault in these people making some money from their time in war conflict. provided it is done without endangering other combat people.
many private companies have sold millions and millions in armed forces merchandise so I see little difference in it really. No company outside the US should be able to manufacture any US Military merchandise and No company outside the US should be able to make the U.S. flag either all IMHO.
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