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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 11, 2015 1:58:16 GMT -6
Ventura is much more than an ex-fake wrestler. He's never been my favorite person but he certainly has accomplished things in his life, especially as a Mayor and Governor in MN.
Then there's Kyle, an ex-rodeo bronc rider and ranch hand who claimed he was 30 when he went into the Navy but was really 24. He wrote about an incident in a book that didn't name names but chose to come up with the name in interviews during publicity tours for his book. Evidently Kyle thought Ventura's name was a big enough deal that he could brag about decking him. He told a couple other stories about shooting civilians in the US that also cannot be verified. Then he gets killed by a guy with long standing mental problems who he thought would benefit from going to a shooting range. He may have been an ace shot and a "hero" in the service, but in life it doesn't sound to me like he always used a lot of common sense.
I would never judge a jury's decision unless I was actually ON the jury and heard the discussions and witnesses.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 11, 2015 6:22:15 GMT -6
Pam one thing Chris Kyle did right was protect our troops and take out enemies of terror. he also,died trying to help others in the end.
One man was there and he is a former attorney so he judged the jjury as he was there every day of the trial listened to all testimony. I would like to know the makeup,of the jury. Anyhow it was rendered and life moves on for most...........
he was elected Governor in a state where we'll, he was a surprise to get elected and in many other states he would have never won. people wanted a change and gave the bird to the state capital with such a victory. Wonder why he doesn't live in Minn much anymore?
After this debacle he can forget any serious run for president no way he will get elected.
Asks far as Chris Kyles other dates and actions? Who knows why he stated what he did? sadly we will never know those answers. But for Jessie the Body to say what he did pairing him to a nazi? Well tells me a lot about his thoughts and ideals...........
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 11, 2015 6:26:43 GMT -6
Lady's and gentlemen I give you the next president of the United states of America
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 11, 2015 10:09:58 GMT -6
Ventura was a horrible governor.
Had many good ideas but didn't have the leadership abilities to get anything done. Sound familiar?
This movie had very little to do with the book IMHO. Go watch it, it's only 20 bucks.
Now I need to see unbroken
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Post by trappnman on Feb 11, 2015 10:18:10 GMT -6
Tc- if you don't know- why not just sit down?
lets see- made a major revison to protery taxes-
gave back the tax surplus
reduced car lic tab fees
pushed, promoted and got throguh the CC permits so local law enforcement didn't have the say
income tax cuts
not many govs have done more
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 11, 2015 12:23:50 GMT -6
Tman I have never lived in the state of Minnesota but as posted by Thores mighty hammer and others he was very divisive with the state legislators more so than the norm is what I heard.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 11, 2015 14:00:06 GMT -6
Unbroken was excellent as well and the central character was not nearly as controversial and the ending is really great.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Feb 11, 2015 14:31:44 GMT -6
yes, he could have perhaps done more if he would have kissed certain peoples
but that doesn't distract from what he accomplished- accomplished with state houses that BOTH hated him because he was a true independent, and beat both parties and got elected.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 11, 2015 15:21:19 GMT -6
Heroes are in the eyes of he beholder(s) I am sure among the terrorists and Shite sect that the sniper that killed many Americans and others was a hero also. Look at the hundreds of Japanese pilots who flew the Kamkazi missions against the US pacific fleet and the honor those men brought to their families and nations. I am not saying that I look at their missions in the same light that they did but I am sure that many in Japan remember their sons etc. that did fly those one way missions.
Bryce
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 11, 2015 15:41:01 GMT -6
My property taxes doubled when those changes were made biggest beneficiary was businesses.
The income tax cuts helped to create the shortfalls we had under TPaw.
Reduced the car tabs and now Dayton wants to raise them because our roads are falling appart.
I'll give credit with the ccw thing.
Bryce I see unbroken isn't in theaters around here anymore I'll have to wait for the video
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Post by trappnman on Feb 11, 2015 16:22:25 GMT -6
the economy had more to do with the shortfall under pawlenty
biggest change in property taxes is they went under local control- blame YOUR county, not the state
roads falling apart because of increased use, and a way outdated gas tax-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 11, 2015 17:25:43 GMT -6
Interesting to see how 2 people from the state each has their own views on Jessie the Body as governor.
You see him as one that has done more than most past governors, Steven sees him as a bad govenor?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 11, 2015 17:33:15 GMT -6
Bryce no offense but I could care less what a group,of terrorist think of their hero's. I care about our country that is free and not trying to pursue others with acts of terror and radical Islamic thoughts.
We have groups called skin heads that think hitler had it all figured out as well.
The majority would not agree with that.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 11, 2015 18:24:19 GMT -6
I don't expect us to care but there are some that do and that is what determines who are heroes and who is not. There are dozens of nations in the world that have democracies and are free. Sure they are not the USA but they have freedoms and some have more personal freedoms than we do here. We also have a large majority of southerners who feel that Lee is a war hero and we fought to preserve a union that many don't approve of yet today.
Bryce
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 11, 2015 19:41:32 GMT -6
Biggest change under property taxes was how the state allowed the local governments to tax businesses. How is that giving them local control?
It's a typical ploy of the right to blame property taxes on the local governments.
Jesse was elected looking at a 4 billion surplus, left looking at a 4.5 billion deficit. Yeah he did a good job.
Carlson should have stuck around. Dayton is doing a better job than the body ever did.
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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 11, 2015 23:32:43 GMT -6
In reference to Bryce's comments, one thing Eastwood did do in the movie was show the supposed counterpart sniper in a scene in his house with his family. He was defending his own values and country. What would you be doing if our country was being invaded?
Unbroken is also a good movie. I didn't see it as so much another war movie as just the story of an unsung hero's life.
"..he was elected Governor in a state where well, he was a surprise to get elected and in many other states he would have never won.."
That was kind of a silly statement TC, same could be said about many other Governors, including Walker in WI LOL
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappnman on Feb 12, 2015 7:06:21 GMT -6
so back to name calling and silliness?
gone,gone,gone are those posts.
trust me in that if name calling is the game, I gor plenty of names and discriptive adjectives to play with!
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 12, 2015 19:01:02 GMT -6
All right keep the place to yourself.
You wont see the movie because of your bias. Shame.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 12, 2015 19:04:00 GMT -6
OK Hollywood as it is will never allow American Sniper to win any award for this movie.................. Sad but factual.
Yet Eastwood never made this movie for awards or money he has plenty of both.
Just happy as it stands will be the highest grossing war movie ever produced. 300 million and climbing.
The second highest grossing R rated movie ever, behind Passion of the Christ!
I will be adding to it again as I will see it for a second time at a small theater in our local town that is really neat, a very old theater that shows movies and does plays.
Tman what I posted was fact and not bad at all? Jessie Ventura is a former fake wrestler millions know that.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 12, 2015 19:11:01 GMT -6
Just checked nominations sniper gets some nominations but not for best director? Imagine that? Steven yes a BIAS is present by many on such a film. Yet those that have the bias have a hard time seeing this guy kept our troops alive and safe and put his life on the line for OUR country and freedoms . I do not see how that is easy to discount by some really?
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