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Post by trappnman on Feb 9, 2015 7:59:53 GMT -6
lets see- Jessie sued him for fraud and won-
enough for me to not want to read the book, or see the movie
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Post by RdFx on Feb 9, 2015 10:29:37 GMT -6
Hmmm, like O. J. ?
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Post by trappnman on Feb 9, 2015 10:40:06 GMT -6
not sure what you mean Lee?
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Post by bblwi on Feb 9, 2015 12:57:27 GMT -6
Why not non profits? There are thousands of non profits that run food pantries, abuse centers etc. etc. because governments don't fund them either. The issue is if you want more money for defense it will go for technology and warfare because large firms make billions arming our military and taxpayers pay money to care for them and probably 8 out of 10 politicians that have Hawkish stances on a strong military also vote against taxes and large governments which include care for veterans and millions of other elderly and needy.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 9, 2015 17:14:02 GMT -6
Ventura won a defamation law suit not fraud. By the letter of the law , hard to defend your self when you are deceased.
Jessie Ventura sued a dead man on a he said, he said type of case and yes won versus a dead man ok? His wife is appealing the verdict as well. Jessie's response?
"She's making millions right now," an unsympathetic Ventura told Minnesota's WCCO Radio.
"She's already made millions off the book. ... She's not hurting. She's doing speaking engagements throughout the country, traveling all over ... She probably has more money than I do."
Yes Jesse I am sure she does hence your lawsuit................
Bryce not money for defense but for veterans care exclusively..............
Not like this : Veterans Health Administration scandal of 2014 In May 2014, major problems with scheduling timely access to medical care became public. As of May 2014, at least 40 United States Armed Forces veterans died waiting for care at the Phoenix, Arizona Veterans Health Administration facilities, and an investigation of delays in treatment throughout the Veterans Health Administration system is being conducted by the Veterans Affairs Inspector General.[8][9] On May 30, 2014, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki resigned from office due to the fallout from the scandal,[10] saying he couldn't explain the lack of integrity among some leaders in VA healthcare facilities. "That breach of integrity is irresponsible, it is indefensible, and unacceptable to me. I said when this situation began weeks to months ago that I thought the problem was limited and isolated because I believed that. I no longer believe it. It is systemic. I was too trusting of some and I accepted as accurate reports that I now know to have been misleading with regard to patient wait times," Shinseki said in a statement. He said he could not defend what happened because it was indefensible, but he could take responsibility for it and he would.[11]
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Post by trappnman on Feb 9, 2015 18:07:30 GMT -6
I guess it comes down to who you beleive- and I believe Jessie
yes, won with witnessesses- in a court of law and suit filed before he was murdered
vs what was told to a ghostwriter w/o verification of any kind
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 9, 2015 18:45:19 GMT -6
What ghost writer are you referring to? Chris Kyle ? Scott Mc Ewen or Jim Defelice? These are the 3 people who did the book. No ghost writer I am aware of?
Don't forget their was witnesses on the other side of the coin as well.
In January 2012, shortly after the book came out, Ventura sued Kyle for defamation. Thirteen months later, on Feb. 2, 2013, Kyle and a companion, Chad Littlefield, were killed at a Texas pistol range by a fellow veteran they were trying to help. Kyle had previously affirmed in a sworn deposition that the anecdote in the book was true. He also said he “hated Ventura with a passion,” his father-in-law acknowledged.
Photo Credit: PHOTO COURTESY OF THE KYLE FAMILY - Chris and Taya Kyle were married for 11 years before he was gunned down at a shooting range in Texas by a fellow veteran he was trying to help. The couple has two children, now ages 10 and 8. Photo Credit: PHOTO COURTESY OF THE KYLE FAMILY - Chris and Taya Kyle were married for 11 years before he was gunned down at a shooting range in Texas by a fellow veteran he was trying to help. The couple has two children, now ages 10 and 8.
After Kyle’s death — for which accused shooter Eddie Ray Routh is awaiting trial on capital murder charges in a Texas jail — Ventura named Kyle’s widow, Studebaker’s younger daughter Taya, in the lawsuit, claiming he was motivated by a desire to restore his sullied reputation.
Studebaker doesn’t buy that. “Jesse kept saying it wasn’t about the money, but in the end it most certainly was,” he said.
The mayor insists that anyone who reads the transcript chronicling the defamation proceedings will know the jury “made a big mistake” in awarding damages to Ventura.
“I sat through the whole trial,” said Studebaker, a former attorney. “The issue was whether Jesse was defamed. The prosecution had to provide clear and convincing evidence that Chris intended to do Jesse harm and injure his reputation.”
Prosecutors didn’t reach that bar, Studebaker insists. Yet after two weeks of testimony — during which seven SEALs and several civilian witnesses said they either heard Ventura denigrate the specialized Navy unit (which stands for Sea, Air, Land); saw Kyle deck Ventura at McP’s Irish Pub & Grill in Coronado, Calif., on Oct. 12, 2006; or watched Ventura “get up off the ground with help from his friends,” Studebaker said — jurors returned an 8-2 verdict in favor of Ventura.
Attorneys wanted a unanimous verdict, but later allowed the split decision after jurors balked.
The verdict came as “a complete and utter surprise,” Studebaker said. “I am at a loss to understand how they could come back like that.
“I would challenge anybody to go over the transcript and come to the same conclusion those eight jurors did,” he added.
The idea that Kyle conspired with writers Scott McEwen and Jim DeFelice to make up a story about Ventura to include in his book is “preposterous,” Studebaker said. For the jury to accept that happened, he added, is “beyond belief.”
He called the 379 pages of “American Sniper” a “great read” that “gets to the heart of what it means to be a SEAL, including the sacrifices their families make while they’re serving.”
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 9, 2015 18:48:23 GMT -6
So it is what it is, but Ventura if he receives his money better make it last, as he is now considered an outcast by the majority of the SEALS. That was his choice though. The smart move would have stood on principal and donate the money to veterans.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 9, 2015 19:17:31 GMT -6
So you are saying that VA, veterans care and disabilities etc. are not part of the defense budget? I would like to see then where the VA and other veteran benefits are housed if not part of the defense budget.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 9, 2015 20:08:20 GMT -6
The Secretary of Veterans Affairs is responsible for administering benefit programs for veterans, their families, and their survivors. Under the direction of the President, the Secretary exercises authority, direction and control over the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Secretary is a member of the President's Cabinet.
They have their own US dept and flag.
The federal budget is divided into approximately 20 categories known as budget functions. These functions include all spending for a given topic, regardless of the federal agency that oversees the individual federal program. Both the President's budget, submitted annually, and Congress' budget resolution, passed annually, comprise these approximately 20 functions.
veterans affairs is not just lumped into the defense budget it has its own category and spending amount and is overseas by a cabinet position. Directly answers to the president of the US, not the dept of defense.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 9, 2015 20:20:08 GMT -6
The 2016 Budget and 2017 Advance Appropriations requests for VA fulfill the President’s promise to provide America’s Veterans, their families, and Survivors the care and benefits they have earned through their service. The President’s 2016 Budget includes $168.8 billion for VA in 2016. This includes $70.2 billion in discretionary resources and $95.3 billion in mandatory funding. Our discretionary budget request represents an increase of $5.2 billion, or 7.5 percent, over the 2015 enacted level. VA’s budget requests the resources necessary to increase Veteran access to benefits and services, sustain progress on the disability claims backlog and for ending Veteran homelessness. The Budget supports Veterans, their families, and Survivors in receiving the highest quality benefits and services we can provide and which they earned through their sacrifice and service to our Nation.
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Post by bblwi on Feb 9, 2015 20:38:34 GMT -6
Yes I read the same source you did but chose not to post. Now let us see how much of that budget will stay intact seeing it is a large increase coming from the opposition. With 95 billion mandated (retirement and disability payments mostly) the discretionary funds are where the cuts are going to come from. With a lot of the decades of underperformance becoming transparent during this administration most of the GOP house members from WI are not onboard for strong support for the VA at this time.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 9, 2015 21:13:47 GMT -6
I am all for taking care of our vets who have served and need the help. I would cut other areas before I would touch those that have fought and served and defend our country and freedoms.
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Post by PamIsMe on Feb 10, 2015 0:13:34 GMT -6
"Jessie Ventura sued a dead man .."
The suit was filed almost a year before Kyle died. January 2012 and January 2013. "Mr. Ventura said he never would have gone to court had Mr. Kyle admitted that he had made up the story of the bar fight and just apologized."
It takes a pretty big man to take back a flat out lie once you've stated it as truth. Everyone is now disgusted with Brian Williams, yet rushes to Kyle's defense. Strange set of morals we have these days.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 10, 2015 7:52:27 GMT -6
Pam only with bias do you consider it a strange set of morals we have. Brian Willaimas has told the story many times, the people there and documentation provided to prove him wrong. Not so,in the Chris Kyle case you have several witnesses that stated they heard the two talking and saw people helping Ventura up,off the ground. my question would be was Ventura there that day? yes or NO? Pam, Ventura could have dropped the suit after Kyle died yet he refused to, again his choice in the eyes of many SEALS not a good one. One thing you find is you don't mess with fallen members families and that is what has most SEALS incensed over the issue. Again right or wrong their choice. I also wonder of all the people Kyle could have stated was the scrub beared guy why pick Ventura? if zero truth to it? he really is going to be a person to move book sales? I doubt that highly. Either way his right to sue and the right of the family to seek a new trial.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 10, 2015 8:46:29 GMT -6
Pam- haven't you learned TC's only consistency regarding political issues, is his inconsistency?
for example- courts of law- if they reinforce his views, courts are the end all. If not- why, a mayor has more validity
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 10, 2015 13:35:00 GMT -6
Tman again not open and shut case that happens every day in America as stated OJ walked free By the way the mayor is also an attorney himself.................
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Post by bblwi on Feb 10, 2015 14:00:15 GMT -6
Very, very few cases are open and shut that is why we work to have juries of our peers in most cases to have different interpretations of the evidence provided and through discussion the jury arrives at a consensus if can and if not we don't convict. Lawyers are bound by law to defend their clients to the best of their ability even if court appointed and don't approve of their clients behavior and or actions. The frequent use of even small retainers is one way law firms can avoid having to take on potentially local but sensitive issues.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Feb 10, 2015 15:10:06 GMT -6
but all the juries and grand juries concerning cops, are 100% beyond reproach?
again, it comes down to who you beleive- and I beleive, based on the way he conducted himself here while Gov- Jessie
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 10, 2015 16:23:18 GMT -6
Ok.......
If you choose to believe an EX fake wrestler and someone who made comments against the very group of people he was enlisted with.
Just when you thought Jesse Ventura couldn’t add any more scum to his bag, he goes and compares American soldiers to Nazis. Even when host Alan Colmes gave him an opportunity to clear things up, Ventura doubled down and said ‘yes’ we’re the same as Hitler’s fighting force.
Ventura said, “A hero is not how many people you’ve killed. You know he’s obviously a great sniper. He’s obviously a great shot. He obviously did his job correctly. Alan, let me fire this one at you: Do you think the Nazis have heroes?”
“When they invaded a country, when they invaded Poland, when they invaded France and if a Nazi soldier killed a hundred people that had lived there, would he be classified a hero in Germany?”
Yep compared Chris Kyle to a nazi""...."...............
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