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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 13, 2014 6:57:33 GMT -6
Ok..............
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Post by trappnman on Dec 13, 2014 7:00:38 GMT -6
so you watched the video, and see nothing wrong with their actions?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 13, 2014 7:21:50 GMT -6
I see a man resisting arrest, I hear a man say this stops today to a law enforcement official. I see him go to the ground and knowing the evidence after the fact I know he has health issues, that led to complications of his death that was stated as well.
Wondering what other measures could have the police taken? What should they have done? Why didn't the guy just Allow them to detain him? he had a previous arrest record. Why worry about the taxation with such zeal in NY city?
hard to look at a 2 min video and say 100 percent what the deal was. Obviously these guys have had prior run ins together.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 13, 2014 7:28:37 GMT -6
wow-
I guess, when he says he can't breathe in a choking voice- the lock hold might have been released. after all, he was surrounded by a pack of jackels...err cops.
all I can say, is I hope the protests continue until this behavior isn't accepted by those with a conscience-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 13, 2014 18:13:21 GMT -6
Tman I am sure the protest will continue on and as long as not violent or cause damage to private property I say protest away and make change.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 15, 2014 8:38:16 GMT -6
I'm for the non violence and peaceful protest-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 15, 2014 18:25:27 GMT -6
The problem being what happened in Ferguson was not non violence or peaceful..............
Chaos is what took place.
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 16, 2014 1:54:50 GMT -6
I don't quite understand what all the peaceful demonstrations really hope to accomplish. I don't see any clear message they are trying to send. I wonder if the demonstrators even know?
Not that I think the violent ones accomplished anything. Destroying your own neighborhood seems totally pointless.
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 16, 2014 5:52:00 GMT -6
What happened in ferguson is no,accomplishment except to make news, the cause gains nothing because it is lost in the news of rioting and luting.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 16, 2014 7:16:12 GMT -6
well Pam because of the demonstrations, two major cities NY and Milwaukee, announced new plans to end the police violence in their cities- a good start
what the demonstrators want- is just that- an end to the military complex the police seem to have, and to stop the violence when its uncalled for. and to change the seemingly prevalent attitude of the police, to kill first and ask questions later
its a mindset that had better be changed
and THATS what the demonstrators want-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 16, 2014 21:24:47 GMT -6
Kill first ask questions later ? A cop with a hostile person in question in many areas has mere seconds to think and react or he could be dead, kill first ask questions later really? You think that is what took place in ferguson or many other legit shootings done by police officers? I mean really.? Scientific evidence is hard to spell off with hands up don't shoot mantra. Did you happen to see the sign on a bridge, fed up with such talk over the ferguson evidence that said pants up, don't loot.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 17, 2014 9:31:49 GMT -6
you would have been a good coal man- you like to lump things together...
scientific evidence? well good...let's hear it.....
this sums it up-
After Rodney King was beaten by Los Angeles police officers in 1991, a panel investigating excessive use of force by the LAPD found that officers operated under "an organizational culture that emphasizes crime control over crime prevention and that isolates the police from the communities and the people they serve." As a result, police violence and racism stems from this culture which teaches "to command and confront, not to communicate," the report said. These findings were echoed in the book Above the Law: Police and the Excessive Use of Force. In it, UC Berkeley law professor Jerome Skolnick and former New York City police officer/Temple University criminal justice professor James Fyfe say that police work is often viewed by those in the force as an us-versus-them war rather than a chance for community-oriented engagement and problem solving. The authors also point to a lack of accountability as one of the reasons why police violence persists. They acknowledge that, yes, police officers are placed in dangerous situations that at times require immediate responses. But they maintain that that doesn't excuse using more force than is needed to subdue someone, the lack of professional training that leads to such fear-based responses, or treating citizens as enemy combatants. As expected, the Mehserle-Grant case has some people questioning the tactics used by and training given to police officers.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 17, 2014 19:04:22 GMT -6
Tman did you listen to the corners reports? All 3 came to the same end conclusions in the case of Big Mike and blood spatter doesn't lie there was no hands up and there was no please don't shoot. The forensic evidence was clear and concise and matched what the officer stated had happened. Blood doesn't travel backwards we have gravity LOL.
it showed the struggle while the officer was in the car by the blood found, the gun powder residue, the blood spatter in the street and how it was all found and what it clearly means. The fact that the officer was nervous and the number of shots fired and the distance, if I wanted this guy really dead with a sig sauer p226 give me 2 shots and it would have been over. They are a very accurate handgun if you shoot any at all. from those ranges and impacts of bullets he was giving this guy a lot of opportunity to listen, yet the blood spatter showed he wasn't running away, the facts are the facts he was moving toward the officer in an aggressive nature the blood showed that, along with multiple accounts from African American witnesses.
The photos of the officers face and the red coloration in the photos at the hospital clearly show he had been struck by Big Mike. Case closed grand jury did tis job and found the truth after interviewing many,many people and looking at the scientific evidence. The rest is all hyperbole nothing more or less in this case.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 17, 2014 19:08:30 GMT -6
As to your paper by the authors, strap on a gun and badge and enforce the laws for one week in these areas and let's see how many come out alive Love those that have never done the job telling others how to do theirs. If you think that any of what they say is relevant to the ferguson case then so be it, the evidence proves other wise. being aggressive with a law enforcement officer in my book is never tolerated. Striking, grabbing for a weapon, not following commands all leads in these larger metro areas to more of a me versus them attitude and comes down to split second life or death cases at times.
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Post by James on Dec 17, 2014 23:18:22 GMT -6
The Ferguson case was the dead thug's own doing, but the cops who choked that poor guy to death in NYC belong in prison. We're supposed to have police here, not Gestapo.
At most, the poor guy was guilty of evading local tobacco taxes. That doesn't merit a death penalty.
Jim
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Post by trappnman on Dec 18, 2014 7:48:07 GMT -6
exactly James- TC tends to take 1 incident, and relate everything to that as his norm strap on a gun and badge and enforce the laws for one week in these areas and let's see how many come out alive wish I could say that l love that old argument- but the truth is- if your a psychopath- DON'T NBECOME A COP! if you are a rootin' tootin' gun slinger- join the Crips- not the cops- in other words- if you are going to put on a uniform, and become the enforcer for law- then you better be above that freaking law, and not mired in the dregs of it TC- a serious question- its obvious you don't remember the posts that come before yours- but do you even read them? if so- they say is relevant to the ferguson case then so be is irrelevant seriously, reread the thread from the beginning
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 18, 2014 15:08:43 GMT -6
Tman I have read the thread and interjected as needed, as have others.
This is a thread about ferguson correct? There is no bearing on what happened in ferguson with what happened in NY months later............
2 far different cases all together.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 18, 2014 16:55:41 GMT -6
after 5 pages, do you really think this thread is about Ferguson?
its been clear for pages- ferguson is a singularity- the discussion is on excessive force in a wider picture
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 18, 2014 19:52:12 GMT -6
So your point is still even after the evidence and testimony that excessive force was used and unjustified in the case of Big Mike in ferguson?
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Post by trappnman on Dec 19, 2014 7:08:57 GMT -6
AAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
how can you follow this thread, and come to that conclusion?
your conclusion is the EXACT opposite of what was said
the EXACT
the 180 opposite
day and night
apples to oranges
its like you are reading an entirely different thread
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