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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 4, 2014 18:36:01 GMT -6
Funny how you use the term FAUX news My assertion is not from Fox News but from other sources and watching a little of their coverage and seeing their twitter writings as well. No red herrings just silver ones
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Post by bblwi on Dec 4, 2014 19:28:16 GMT -6
You mentioned that Fox works to keep things in discussion with no mention of other networks that do as well. I was not suggesting a correlation with CNN at all and the term discussion does not denote the type of coverage either. We are frequent viewers of many PBS programs and have for years been annual donors toward their programing.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 4, 2014 19:35:38 GMT -6
I do believe Fox does a good job at presenting things from both sides they give the left time and spots on many of their shows. Others do not do that near as much again just the facts. I have No issues with PBS or their programming I have found most shows to be good. I have been to Branson a few times and have seen daniel o'donnell in concert. Yep me and my wife the youngest ones in the theatre I do enjoys his music and have watched many of his specials on PBS.
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 5, 2014 2:13:26 GMT -6
"Fox News has been the beneficiary of government largess for years and it is time to stop it and make Fox pay its own way. As far back as 1999, there have been reports documenting how News Corp, Fox’s parent company, exploited loopholes in tax laws that permitted them to avoid levies that all other citizens have to pay. From The Economist: “…News Corporation and its subsidiaries paid only A$325m ($238m) in corporate taxes worldwide. In the same period, its consolidated pre-tax profits were A$5.4 billion. So News Corporation has paid an effective tax rate of only around 6%. By comparison, Disney, one of the world’s other media empires, paid 31%. Basic corporate-tax rates in Australia, America and Britain, the three main countries in which News Corporation operates, are 36%, 35% and 30% respectively.” The article goes on to describe how News Corp used a complex network of accounting dodges including as many as 60 shell companies that were incorporated in such tax havens as the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, the Netherlands Antilles and the British Virgin Islands. More recently, an investigation by the New York Times revealed that… “By taking advantage of a provision in the law that allows expanding companies like Mr. Murdoch’s to defer taxes to future years, the News Corporation paid no federal taxes in two of the last four years, and in the other two it paid only a fraction of what it otherwise would have owed. During that time, Securities and Exchange Commission records show, the News Corporation’s domestic pretax profits topped $9.4 billion.” www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=4087
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 5, 2014 6:12:26 GMT -6
Pam what does Fox paying taxing has to do with the reporting of news? LOL. only paid 325 million Sounds like Disney needs better accountants to take advantage of loop holes, which many people do, not just the big nasty corporations. Done every year at tax time by millions of people. maybe we should all for go any loop holes as some like to call them and give the govt our fair share then as well? Sorry if the IRS is going to allow legal options to save on taxation well many people will take advantage of such if they are aware of such. Some people call them deductions, others will throw about the term loop hole a if they are legal call them what you wish, if not legal by the letter of the law then fine them simple really........... GE which owns NBC and MSNBC has 108 billion in off shore accounts as well. Disney's largest stock holder is ? yep Steve Jobs wife the apple guy well follow the money Apple AAPL -0.42% is playing fast and loose with consumers’ affection for its highly discretionary products, especially in Europe. It is ill-advised for any consumer products company not to pay tax where it sells products. Equally important, Apple’s tax avoidance is also testing the patience of strapped European governments that are looking for ways to get American multinationals to pay tax. The Senate Homeland Security Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations laid out Apple’s tax planning in a May 20 report. The report concluded that Apple’s tax arrangements have nothing to do with its business. Even for a jaded tax lawyer used to hokey schemes to avoid taxation, Apple’s arrangements were surprising. Apple set up some Irish subsidiaries a mere four years after it was founded. Foreign sales, which account for 60% of Apple’s profits, are routed through these Irish subsidiaries and taxed nowhere. How is this possible, when the intellectual property that supports the value of Apple’s products is in the United States? Apple has an Irish holding company with no operations or employees at the top of its foreign operations. This company also serves as a group finance company. Apple Inc., the U.S. parent of the whole group, pays U.S. tax on the investment earnings of this company. Otherwise, the holding company pays no tax to any government, and has not paid tax for five years. It claims tax residence nowhere. Beneath the holding company is an Irish principal company that holds the contracts with Apple’s Chinese contract manufacturers and owns the inventory they produce. It also claims tax residence nowhere, despite having paid some tax to Ireland in recent years, but at rate far below the statutory rate. It and another Apple operating affiliate share the foreign rights to Apple’s U.S. based technology. Ireland. Ireland is a tax haven. The European definition of a tax haven is a country that cuts deals with foreign companies that don’t do any business there. If Ireland were a legitimate low-tax country, all of Apple’s Irish affiliates would be paying the statutory 12.5% rate on their income. Instead, those Apple affiliates that do pay Irish tax appear to be paying a lower rate due to a special income calculation. Moreover, the Irish holding company and the Irish principal company have not paid any tax to any government for the past few years. Ireland allows some Irish companies to claim non-residence if they are related to a company that is doing business there. That enables Apple’s Irish principal company—through which most of its sales income flows—to pay tax nowhere. Nowhere income. Apple’s Irish holding company and its Irish principal company claim tax residence nowhere. These are the two entities through which Apple’s huge foreign revenues flow. Irish law asks where a company is managed and controlled to determine its tax residence. U.S. law asks where the company was organized, that is, where papers creating it were filed (IRC section 7701(a)(5)). If neither country regards a particular corporation as a resident, no tax treaty mechanism assigns tax residence to the other. Apple’s nonresident Irish subsidiaries are not covered by the tax treaty between the United States and Ireland. But because so much activity goes on in Cupertino, where the operations are managed, Apple’s foreign income may be considered effectively connected with a U.S. trade or business and taxable by the United States. The pertinent rules exempt income from sales of inventory for foreign consumption when a foreign affiliate with a foreign office materially participated in the sale. Apple may be relying on this exemption. (A fuller explanation is behind the paywall at www.taxanalysts.com .) Cost-sharing agreement. The value in Apple products is attributable to its intellectual property. Apple’s intellectual property is in the United States, where it was developed. Strictly speaking, it is not parked in a tax haven. But Apple has an old contract with its Irish principal company and Irish operating company, called a cost-sharing agreement, that produces a similar effect to parking intellectual property in a tax haven—it gets the income from foreign sales out of the United States. The cost-sharing agreement divides Apple’s research and development expenses between U.S. and foreign uses according to sales. Apple’s Irish principal company and its subparent make small annual payments to the U.S. parent for use of valuable intellectual property, while collecting vastly more than that amount in sales revenues from other Apple affiliates. IRS regulations no longer permit this division of income without a significant upfront payment to the U.S. parent for use of intellectual property, but Apple may be claiming the benefit of the older, more permissive rules. (Reg. section 1.482-7.) Page 1 / 2 Continue Comment Now Follow Comments Print Report Corrections Reprints & Permissions Follow Comments Share CONFERENCES AND MORE FORBES BUSINESS INVESTING TECHNOLOGY ENTREPRENEURS OP/ED LEADERSHIP LIFESTYLE LISTS
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Post by trappnman on Dec 5, 2014 6:51:46 GMT -6
I do believe Fox does a good job at presenting things from both sides they give the left time and spots on many of their shows.
not even close to being a factual statement
either your own views are so far right it makes Rush Limbaugh views look like Mother Theresa's, or you never watch FAUX news
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 5, 2014 16:35:44 GMT -6
Again Faux news shows your bias .
You choose not to believe it ok, the facts are they talk with people on the other side and have liberals on the payroll.
here are the facts.
A recent comprehensive study by UCLA political scientist Tim Groseclose and University of Missouri-Columbia economics professor Jeffrey Milyo found Brit Hume's Special Report — Fox's most straightforward news show — more centrist than any of the three major networks' evening newscasts, all of which are liberal. [7] The program is a model of smart news television. Although it is true that the Fox's opinion shows (as opposed to its news shows) are, as they're supposed to be, frequently bombastic and opinionated; it is equally true that Fox's biggest super-star, Bill O'Reilly is not a mainstream Republican, but a registered Independent who sides with conservatives. He regularly charges the oil companies with price-gouging and attacks big business for quashing the little guy. Greta Van Susteren's politics are unclear, as she mostly covers the crime-of-the-day stories. Geraldo Rivera is traditionally liberal on most issues, with the exception of being a strong supporter of the military and stiff penalties for sex offenders. Some liberal commentators, such as news analyst Marvin Kalb, and Eleanor Clift, are affiliated with the channel. In general, Fox News is closer to mainstream America than CBS, ABC, NBC or CNN, its founding mission. Conservatives have criticism for the Fox News Channel as well. For example, conservatives have complained about how Fox News has covered the homosexuality issue. In 2006, the conservative reporter Peter LaBarbera wrote that "Fox News and Wal-mart are among the high-level ($10,000) sponsors of the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association’s (NLGJA) 2006 Convention in Miami."[8] In addition, their 'Fair and Balanced' motto allows liberal propaganda, lies, deceit, and half-truths to gain an audience. In reality, Fox was judged to actually provide a more "fair and balanced" coverage in the 2008 Presidential race than all three MSM networks, who had a decidedly pro-Obama tilt, a study by the Center for Media and Public Affairs. [9] Fox News Liberals Fox News is accused of being blatantly biased towards the right, during its supposedly non-partisan news reports. These false accusations stem from alleged injection of opinion in news stories, selectively preventing liberals a chance to be represented on the channel, and support for high ranking Republican Party members. Opponents to this theory cite the fact that Fox News parent company News Corp. overwhelmingly donates campaign contributions to Democrats [10] and the network employs the following liberals: Juan Williams Alan Colmes Kirsten Powers Dennis Kucinich Shepard Smith Geraldo Rivera Mara Liasson Bill Schulz Susan Estrich Bob Beckel Santita Jackson Simon Rosenberg Howard Kurtz James Carville
A 2009 national survey showed that 46% of those who watch FOX News “just about every day” are Democrats or Independents. Dick Morris interpreted the numbers and determines, "Could it be that the Obama Administration is concerned about FOX News not because it is 'an arm of the Republican Party' but because it is so widely seen among Democrats and Independents?" [11]
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Post by trappnman on Dec 5, 2014 17:21:13 GMT -6
TC- Really?
Milyo is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute
some background- The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[6] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries.[nb 1] In July 1976, the name was changed to the Cato Institute.[
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Post by bblwi on Dec 5, 2014 19:55:08 GMT -6
So what is wrong with a Dem, Liberal, Centrist or Moderate watching a news station with a more Conservative bent. I applaud those that want to hear discussions from both sides. I certainly don't feel that Fox is the only news network that many people view and quite certainly those that would tend to vote center left. I think the real issue that needs to be addressed is the relatively low numbers of citizens who watch much or any news no matter who broadcasts it. If the other 3 major networks are all "liberal" then they're combined viewing is quite a bit more than Fox so there are many more that view other news then Fox News. I think it is interesting that you note that those "liberals" are employed by Fox and employment many times comes with conditions, several of which those you listed may well have accepted as part of their employment.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 5, 2014 22:05:07 GMT -6
Tman you blew right past the facts! A these left minded folks are on the Fox payroll and get air time. Find me one left leaning cable news network with 5 right leaning people on their payroll. You also missed the fact UCLA did the research that shows Fox is far more middle than the other cable news networks as well. instead of commenting on the main body you wished to go in another direction about the facts presented. That is fine by me............ Are you denying that Bob Becklel and Carville, Colmes and Juan are not from the left side? Why aren't they paid by CNN,MSNBC? If Fox News is so right of center on all their shows then why are 10 liberals on their payroll?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 5, 2014 22:09:51 GMT -6
Bryce nothing wrong with it and I like the fact that 40 percent of the audience is from the democratic or liberal side, I have no problem with them being liberal as the left cannot complain about not having a voice or airtime on Fox News. they clearly get more than any other cable news network gives the right or conservative view points.
Again just facts. So,instead of faux news they should be called blacked as Alan Colmes has been on Fox for many,many years and he owes his success to such a show called Hannity and Colmes. he has made a great living from Fox giving him a voice on a national show.
His radio show is also done through Fox, again name me one conservative that has a show owned by what people see as a liberal owner? Doubt you will find one.
Just the facts.........
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 6, 2014 1:48:17 GMT -6
UCLA Study on news bias: The most centrist outlet proved to be the “NewsHour With Jim Lehrer.” CNN’s “NewsNight With Aaron Brown” and ABC’s “Good Morning America” were a close second and third.
“Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill,” Groseclose said. “If these newscasters weren’t centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators.”
The fourth most centrist outlet was “Special Report With Brit Hume” on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC’s “World News Tonight” and NBC’s “Nightly News” to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.
“If viewers spent an equal amount of time watching Fox’s ‘Special Report’ as ABC’s ‘World News’ and NBC’s ‘Nightly News,’ then they would receive a nearly perfectly balanced version of the news,” said Milyo, an associate professor of economics and public affairs at the University of Missouri at Columbia.”
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 6, 2014 6:54:17 GMT -6
Good morning America is not news News night with Aaron brown has been off the air since 2005 Pam so,much for it being centrist or maybe it didn't fit CNN's bias either
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Post by trappnman on Dec 6, 2014 7:57:21 GMT -6
and none of the FAUX shows are news either- they all are opinion pieces given with the utmost bias possible
have you ever watched FAUX? if so- then don't pretend not to see how anyone that doesn't follow the party line is treated
it scares me people really buy into that
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 6, 2014 11:54:14 GMT -6
Tman we all have a choice as to what we buy into and what we do not. I find some programs on Fox News to be very worth while watching and again no one has yet to show proof of the liberal cable news shows who have a couple of conservatives on the payroll They do have news on, and they do have opinion shows just like all other cable NEWS networks do. They give the left far more time than other cable news gives the right just facts........... Durring election coverage Bob Beckle was Given lots of time to say what he wanted and Juan Williams in on every Sunday morning with freedom to speak his kind as well. Alan Colmes is making his living now on a very hard left radio program! where he slams the right by the minute and is paid by and aired on Fox....... Again just the facts. You can choose to believe what ever you wish, still doesn't change the numbers or facts.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 6, 2014 11:56:08 GMT -6
What scares me is the people that buy into the Red Head from North Dakota on MSNBC. Ed Schultz
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Post by bblwi on Dec 6, 2014 23:11:55 GMT -6
I had read that report about the News Hour many years a go and it is the main reason I watch PBS for most of my news when I watch the news.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 7, 2014 2:19:55 GMT -6
What scares me is the people that buy into the Red Head from North Dakota on MSNBC. Ed Schultz What scares me is that people buy into that pill head from Missouri, Rush Limbaugh :-) Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 7, 2014 7:00:28 GMT -6
Rush is on his way out after all those years at number one talk radio and all, he is a political shock jock the last 5-7 years, seems as ratings start to go down people feel the need to become even more radical. Funny thing is half is audience is detractors not supporters Rush used to make more sense years ago than today so much. he used to do his animal rights updates that is what started me into listening many years ago, he has forgot his beginnings and on some issues became left of center, one being animal rights. You don't hear him even mention such things anymore.......
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Post by trappnman on Dec 7, 2014 7:05:50 GMT -6
I could care less if you think that FAUX is a news source, or an entertainment source, or a view into the nuthouse of the right- none of it matters-
but then you throw out "FAUX is most fair news station out there" and that's when I realize you broke from reality
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