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Post by Zagman on Mar 25, 2012 17:39:10 GMT -6
No......
They are male dogs.
They pee on EVERYTHING....including humans!
The "birdy" look when they mark is what tells me I have the right GT. In the absence of that, do I still set???
Absolutely.....based on tracks, turds, and my general location picking from the get-go.
MZ
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Post by trappnman on Mar 25, 2012 19:37:23 GMT -6
ok, I understand what you are saying.
heres where I think we disagree some-
in Trappers Post, you said,
Catching coyotes is a game of abysmally low percentages;a 7% success rate per total sets is PHENOMENAL.So set more traps.Scent control is essential.Avoid kneeling on the ground,wear rubber gloves,and use a different pair when luring.I use an auger to make deep bait holes,and put bait and lure deep inside.
But is that phenominal? thats 7 coyotes per 100 traps, or 1 coyote for every 14+ traps per night.
or looking at it another way, thats checking 93 no coyote in traps per 100 set.
I thought I was doing good with roughly that % as well, but that was checking a lot of empty traps and it was killing me. I think that 15-20% is obtainable for me by eliminating traps on low % and number locations (which is all this system is really doing) and instead trying for locations with high % and numbers locations. 3 of my current loops are doing that, one is so-so and the other is a complete dud! But in the 3 good loops, I was in that 15%+ range.
1 coyote for every 5-7 traps. Over the entire line, not just portions of that as now. Thats my grail.
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Post by jdpaint on Mar 26, 2012 3:36:36 GMT -6
Is this system a never ending process ? Do you think these spots will produce the same number of coyotes every year? Not all farms in an area will have dead piles ,are these the ones you skip or do you bait em early fall?
Both pics are phenominal.Will there be a secondary or a new GT after a catch on the first GT?
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Post by Zagman on Mar 26, 2012 5:53:16 GMT -6
I see you are receiving coaching on your responses from 1080! I bet you don't even GET that rag!
I will have to find the exact quote.....that doesn't sound like it, but will verify.
Let's get right into it then.....
Your are running 190 miles a day to get 2-3 coyotes a day over 5-6 weeks.
I run 85-125 miles a day for three weeks.
You got 228 coyotes in two years with your system.
I got 183 in one year with mine.
Who is more efficient?
I trap alone. One man. I skin all my animals. Alone. I remake EVERY set myself. Alone. A true one man approach.
Oh, and I have one of those burdensome FULL TIME jobs.
I got 122 coyotes in three weeks. You got 117 in six.
How many barn pics you see with NO animals on it and just the catch ratio percentage? I cash my fur check, not my catch % check LOL
Trapper #1: "I got 200 coyotes last year!"
Trapper #2: "So what.....I had a 15% success ratio!"
Trappers everywhere, in response to Trapper #2: "Um, huh?"
Keep tearing apart my approach.....doesn't bother me in the least. The numbers speak for themselves.
You guys think there is only ONE way to trap coyotes......I disagree.
I'll keep muddlin' along in mediocrity while you look for the magical Nirvana moment in your studies.
MZ
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2012 6:22:15 GMT -6
so its you vs me?
my debate is that I know I could be doing far, far better than I am. you on the other hand, think you're doing it all.
you keep saying 6 weeks, yet as you know from pms, that simply is not true, and you have been corrected on it before in pms
I made 30 checks- hardly 6 weeks- THIRTY check days.
and I didn't say every loop was 190 miles- I said from 125 to 190
where does this 183 in 3 weeks come from? according to your own pms, you got 122 in 21 checks and the other 30% traping from the end of those 3 weeks, until Feb 15th.
According to the pms you sent me.
and during your three weeks with your 21 checks, you were running 2xs as many traps as I was on my 20 checks.
so what IS, more efficient?
Aren't trap nights the key to success rates?
7% success rates, don't interest me at all. I was at that point.
If you think 7% is as good as it gets, then of course you will get nothing from these threads.
I think 7% sucks- its WHY I changed systems. 25-30% made me set up and say
HUH? impossible.....right?
So I'll continue on my journey.
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Post by Zagman on Mar 26, 2012 6:55:33 GMT -6
You ask me to tell everyone WHAT I do with my dogs.... No attacks, no comparisons. Then YOU bring up my catch ratio......not me. You. You tell me YOUR catch ratio vs. what you say I said in a magazine. Your failure to read is amazing.....look back a few posts. I said "too bad I bought that video of yours a couple of years ago" LOL You cut and paste it and then question me saying SEVERAL years ago. You missed it in one line....couple vs. several. Right in my post, I say I got 183 in one year. Then, RIGHT BELOW it, I say 122 in three weeks. Actually 19 checks. Why encourage people to post if you are going to just disassemble their approach? I get better EVERY year Steve. Every year, my numbers go up. Every year. Your numbers are the same as 10 years ago. Mine have doubled. Your numbers are the same as a two man team and mine have doubled as a one man show. ( I can show you the post you made stating Lori catches 50% of the coyotes if you'd like) I don't care what your % is or miles ran in that timeframe. That's for your own personal accounting and means little in this discussion. I change things every year........and I try new things. I am the 180 degree opposite of a guy who is in a rut or complacent. You seem to think there is a Holier Than Thou, elevated sense to one's success if they read these studies and then credit their success to it. I see value in reading this stuff and I do read it......I own that book that TC mentioned and have read it several times. The Clever Coyote is another. I forget that you never bought method books back in the day. Probably didn't buy a lot of videos either. A lot of what you are discovering NOW was in print decades ago. The way you approach studies, I approach books and videos. Some are too arrogant to think they can learn from guys of a certain caliber......generally, I glean something from nearly everything I read or watch. The same can and will happen with these studies 1080 is posting. And I am glad he is putting them out there for everyone. I honestly think if some researcher somewhere put my findings/success with the GT's and dogs in a pamphlet with some fancy college backing it, you'd find it more credible. I've spent enough time on the phone with 1080 to know his responses to my way of doing things......so, if YOU want to keep discussing this without coaching, happy to do so. MZ PS: you started trapping on Oct 23rd. 30 days would be have you stopping at Thanksgiving. In this post, you show going into mid-December and mention the five weeks. Your words.....not mine. coyotesrus.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=25641&page=1Carry on!
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2012 8:04:55 GMT -6
In this post, you show going into mid-December
thanks for posting that link- brings back some good memories- and much of what was asked by location, etc can be seen in those pictures.
but where did you read I said I trapped until mid december?
I POSTED the pics in mid dec the day before I sold, but by that time I had already sold my first batch of mink and rats and was running full out on waterlines.
I've always said I do what I do- stop the weekend before Thanksgiving.
no, I ran 5 loops- running an average of I suppose 60-65 traps- 1 day of each loop, was spent setting traps, will no traps in the ground.
6 x 5= 30
as far as my video- why state "that you wasted your money, because I obviously didn't do now what I did in the video?" if you knew it was from 2010- the first year of going to the new methods? and since it WAS from 2010, it would be obvious that it was?
I don't understand that I'm attacking you- if you think this thread is all about attacking you, I think you read a lot more into it, that is there or intended.
Why encourage people to post if you are going to just disassemble their approach?
no one is telling you not to continue doing what you are doing. You take between 5-6 coyotes a day on average, running dawn to night with 90-100 traps. I took 4 a day with half as many traps. This system is a work in progress- next year, I'll be running those 90-100 traps.
You are right, we trap as a team- for 3 days a week- do you really think the numbers would be any different for me, running alone?
The goal of this thread, is to improve, and yes, I'm selfish- I'm not content doing what I was doing taking a coyote for every 15 or so traps out.
I want 15-20 coyotes out of that 100 traps. I could NOT do that running how I was- the number of traps I'd need to set out would be impossible. To take 15 a day at 7-8% would require running and maintaining 200 traps!
And I could not do it by running 75 miles and covering that ground with traps- I proved that over the past years.
If I want 15 coyotes a day, its GOT to be taking 1 coyote out of every 6-7 traps.
Can that be done?
Yes, I think so.
my line used to be consistent, meaning 1 here, one there over the whole line, with a hotspot here and there..
With trying to figure out how to have EVERY spot a hotspot, I have two things occurring- either bingo where I'm taking 1 coyote for every 2-4 trap nights. And I did this on more than a few locations, indeed quite a few.
Or its a bust.
I'm not egotistical enough to think that its the method, I know its MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. It will be an occurring task until I stop trapping, but after 2 years, I'm still in kindergarden.
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you post you have circling problems, and have to use a subtle set, to trick them.
Do you think that circling dirtholes, is the norm?
you say you take the majority of your coyotes from the subtle sets, rather than your dirtholes because of the circling actions around your dirtholes.
Shouldn't the question be, is why so much circling at your dirtholes?
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Mar 26, 2012 8:26:58 GMT -6
and during your three weeks with your 21 checks, you were running 2xs as many traps as I was on my 20 checks.
so what IS, more efficient?
Aren't trap nights the key to success rates?
nope, fur on the stretcher is the key to success rates.
I understand what you are trying to accomplish steve but what happens if you can only find so many of those primo spots within a reasonable driving distance?
Are you going to stop setting traps the rest of the day or going to set up some less successful spots?
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Post by jsevering on Mar 26, 2012 8:54:22 GMT -6
i see merits in both your ways...
a question on scent marking... generally speaking if a kickback is present wouldn't that imply, more than one dog in most cases (territory)...
was wondering could most of the markings inside of the core area as we read them be seasonal and due to the den and whelping of pups in the studies also..
if so... if you have say three dening areas and a major travel corridor leading to the carrion pile used by transients or true dispersal betas, displaced alpha ect. between them wouldn't urine and the existing social status of the areas become more important...
wouldn't it become just as important as the actual carrion pile that the boundaries in that point in time is flexed around as much as the evolving social structure, once coyotes started disappearing during a trapping season, especially with all that's involved with time and the social structure itself?... jim
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Post by Zagman on Mar 26, 2012 9:01:29 GMT -6
Steve....I guess our PM's are getting in the way. We both told each other stuff in private and now holding against each other! LOL
When you told me VIA PM that you ran half the traps as me, I said: So you get home early, what do you do with that time? Why not expand the line.
You said that you DONT get home earlier:
"home early? not many days home early- we put on almost 7000 miles and its all winding gravel roads for the most part. "
So, if you are running half the traps I am......but still getting home as the same time as me, and I have more coyotes daily, how is that more efficient?
I never said I have problems with circling coyotes OR that every coyote circles. I said IF a coyote chooses to, I have a natural offering for him. Just that simple. You and I have said for YEARS on here that snow humbles us....and that we really have no idea of knowing what happens without snow. Now, suddenly, if you feel all your coyotes just bully their way straight in, well then I guess you really have found the secret approach.......
So why even mention fancy terms like neophobic? Sounds like they are committing suicide where you live........not here.
OGorman spends chapters down playing two man teams vs. one man teams. Discount it NOW all you want.......just remember for years you have been telling us how well Lori has done and how many she has caught. 50% was mentioned in a thread recently. Has that changed?
I don't care what anyone says.....two men is better than one. One and a half men is better than one. As OG himself points out, he poo-poos two man catches vs. his one man approach.
If you are skinning a coyote on the back of your truck, and Lori is remaking the successful sets, sorry, whole different ball game. Several times a day, this becomes an advantage.
Or, since 50% of your coyotes came from doubles......two men remaking two sets vs. one making both, if you are NOT skinning hot.
You SHOULD be able to run less traps than me and be more successful with two people......even if only three days a week.
Now, in fairness, I know you are older than me, and therefore, I assume physically I SHOULD have an advantage. But, since you never throw that out as an excuse, I assume you dont feel that point is, indeed, a disadvantage.
I have had a few riders over the years for a day or two.....the help is HUGE and noticeable. Even if only in the fur shed...........
MZ
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2012 9:15:19 GMT -6
Thats a good question steven- you working yet, or still after beaver?
I had to get my feet wet learning what I'm looking for, and what to pass by just because I can get a coyote or two there.
what it really comes down to, is that I was running 90-100 traps setting up everything that I "knew" I could catch a coyote at, and thats what I was doing.
but after 20+ years of trapping a relatively small area intensely for 2-4 weeks, I had in effect stabilized my local populations.
but how could I expand? I was already running about the maximum amount of traps I could tend and maintain.
So the #1 thing was apparent- I needed to run more territory.
but I couldn't run more traps....
so there was the conundrum.
So the goal, is to set fewer locations but cover more territory.
To start out, I decided to set just 2 traps at each location I was cold rolling, beyond getting permissions and a quick look over of the land, 3 of the 5 loops, so was a little nervous, and still wondering.
this past year, I modified things, but didn't really expand yes, a few new farms within the area, but not reaching out further.
This year, its going to be as big an expansion as it was prior to the first year- and that year, I tripled by former territory if not more.
The primo spots are there, that's what the studies and my experience show.
I set up 5 loops since I have a 5 week window- can't start any earlier, and I need to get into water before things get too bad, I need some gravy days there as well.
One thing the system has shown me, that a week in than out, the potential to take numbers of coyotes at certain locations, is endless. My two traps per location hurt me last year- I think by gang setting those locations, I'll increase my take at them, substantially.
So that's one thing that will be changed.
another is 2 years in row showed me, one loop is just a dud, despite the potential I thought I saw there. I got 10-12 coyotes on that loop (I don't write this stuff down, knowing appx is enough info for me) so toss out that loop, and I was quite satisfied with the others.
I'll combine 2 loops into 1 this year, add a lot of territory and then figure out the best way to add that to what is existing and come up with 4 more loops.
by doing that, I can get every loop around 200 miles. will I get 15% or more next year?
Doubt it- but know for sure its going to be a substantial improvement over this year.
If I took my first 2 loops this year- loops that are 100% the new method, and ran them as 1 loop- I would have averaged 10+ a day on about 100 traps.
When it all comes together, I do very, very well. when it doesn't- bah! LOL
and the years after that? Who knows?
The system showed me the potential, now its up to me to refine it
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Is this system a never ending process ? Do you think these spots will produce the same number of coyotes every year? Not all farms in an area will have dead piles ,are these the ones you skip or do you bait em early fall?
yes that's exactly what it is. A never ending process- and me? I just enrolled in school.
Will they produce the same every year?
no. and yes. The spot can change, but then other spots occur. The potential is going to be close, if you know whats going on there concerning populations preseason.
I don't set where there are not cattle close by. Cows and coyotes just go together. While I prefer to have a dead pile on the farm, its not a deal breaker by any means- there are always going to be cows close by. And with cows are manure and manure is almost as good as a dead pile. A good dairy manure pile is going to be a magnet, if in the right locations.
I don't prebait- and its something I SHOULD do. I should have ever farmer call me when he has a dead calf, and go out and get it. But I don't have that time (there it is- time again).
I do have many farmers, that put dead stuff where I want it during the year, if they don't have a dead pile- many farmers don't, instead just dragging the dead ones out on the farm somewhere.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2012 9:37:44 GMT -6
"we put on almost 7000 miles and its all winding gravel roads for the most part. "
oops- I meant 5000. if I would have typed that in a post I would have saw it and corrected it.
but your point was how would i have time to expand?
easy- stop lallygagging it.
You SHOULD be able to run less traps than me and be more successful with two people......even if only three days a week.
Why should I be more successful, with Lori?
we aren't taking 2 trucks, or even going off in 2 drrections- we make the sets side by side.
When Lori runs with me, we take our time and aren't in any hurry- the goal isn't to have more locations, its to have more locations that WORK. the driving time, and the pulling into location times, will be the same. She runs with me 3 days a week- one day, has no coyotes cause that's a set up day, then she gets a day to run the next day- then I run 4 days, and she comes again to pull with me. does that save me time? sure- but its not gaining me numbers.
do you really think, that her setting 1 trap, and me the other- doubles our numbers? Or do you think that most likely if I set them both, the numbers would be the same? Or the trap setups wouldn't be the same?
"She's" going to catch 50% of the coyotes before remakes since she set 50% of the sets. And after a catch, is a remake hers? or mine? or whatever?
I could as easily make both sets, but shes not there to ride along, shes there because she honestly loves trapping coyotes and setting coyote traps. I think thats quite evident in the video.
Next year, she will be going 4 days a week, and the first 2 will be concentrated setting- so, yes, that will be a big help as well.
If I was running 100% myself, I'd stay longer, simply because it would take me longer to put in that many sets- staying my 2-4 weeks like I used to, or simply running less locations to get that 5-6 day check in a week.
Except for Lori, I generally find anyone that comes along, does nothing but slow me down.
If you are skinning a coyote on the back of your truck, and Lori is remaking the successful sets, sorry, whole different ball game. Several times a day, this becomes an advantage.
yes it is. But it doesn't add to total numbers. but yes, for 2 days, day #2 and day #7 she does remake sets as I skin. Actually. the 7th day there aren't any remakes as we pull. but boy, it does help- I was alone the 9 day, and that was a long day.
Now, suddenly, if you feel all your coyotes just bully their way straight in, well then I guess you really have found the secret approach.......
mark, you said several times, that your subtle set is intended to take them when they are circling the obvious dirthole. That eventually they will find the set with the dog urine & the urine added.
is that a fair summation?
And I said I just don't see cicling sets in snow. Seldom said the same, and he traps almost 100% in snow.
do I get humbled by snow?
You bet!!!!!!
standing on the edge, working it from the side. ignoring sets with tracks 5 feet away. But I'm not seeing circling at those sets.
and I firmly beleive, that with 1 of two things, I can reduce those misses-
#1- better sets #2 set better locations.
Because I'm convinced, that where the set is, matters so very, very much. And that adverse behaviors decrease by both #1 & #2 above.
to learn how to find thse spots in the dark as mentioned, is my goal.
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Post by Zagman on Mar 26, 2012 11:07:33 GMT -6
So, with your new approach......lets call it your new system that you have tried for two years.........how does this happen?:
"another is 2 years in row showed me, one loop is just a dud, despite the potential I thought I saw there. I got 10-12 coyotes on that loop (I don't write this stuff down, knowing appx is enough info for me) so toss out that loop, and I was quite satisfied with the others."
You said you are spending more time covering your ground inch by inch to find "the spot". What was it about ALL the locations you chose under these criteria that in general, they failed across the board?
Circling.....I've said it two times.....the GT is DOWNWIND of my loud sets and will be available to a circling coyote OR one who is working the predominant wind and smelling/seeing the loud sets.
Without snow, I have no idea if a caught coyote in the GT was circling or just passing by on his way in to the other sets. I assume a combination of both.......
Or....gosh, what if the loud set caught a coyote first?
Do you think un-caught coyotes circle trapped coyotes?
Since 50% of your coyotes now come from doubles, I bet you know the answer to that......
Every pic you posted from this year is of singles. You must have a million pics of doubles at the same locations. Seriously, post them, especially with the single caught coyotes at the same spot. Video would be even better. I'd like to see your spacing at "the spot" and juxtapose that against what I am doing. Tell me the wind direction as well.......
MZ
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2012 11:26:18 GMT -6
mark, I take very very few pictures when by myself. But I've posted several doubles, including videos of doubles. Guess you missed them.
As the years go by, I take less and less pics most of the ones posted, are taken by lori cause she likes that. but most days, no pics were taken unless an "artistic" one.
one can only have so many pics of coyotes in traps. but I'll see what I have from this year.
Many of the pics/vidoes we do have from last 2 years, are location ones, with specific landmarks and discssion, and no, I'm not going to post them.
roughly 50% means I took 20-25 or so doubles this past year. so roughly 1/2 of my coyotes came from doubles. Is 50% an exact number? no- but its close enough for me. and makes me really wonder what would have occurred, esp in the 2 locations that gave me doubles the first 2 nights, if I would have had 4-6 traps there. Guess i'll find out this year.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2012 16:26:27 GMT -6
like I said, don't have close to them all, and some i'm just not going to post, but here are enough to get the gist of it all first check of 2011 season- video video video same location, next day video same location next day
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Post by Zagman on Mar 26, 2012 17:04:48 GMT -6
cool...thanks for posting.
So, with the doubles.....is there more than two traps at each spot?
Whatever you feel comfortable sharing, what made you choose these spots as THE spots?
Crop changes, roadways, pond dams, drainages, field edge/woods......etc.
With only one direction in the pics/video, hard to tell what else is going on.
In general, at least with the farm roads, you are covering both sides of the road.
What is it about these spots that make a coyote feel safe, as you put it.
I am not being ornery.....I am trying to, with the help of your pics, see what it is you are seeing.
Thanks
MZ
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2012 17:28:11 GMT -6
no, never more than 2 traps. Well actually, the one, I added another trap after catching 5 there, and caught 2 more, both in remakes.
I know you think I am avoiding the question, but its real hard to put into words. I look for places I "think" coyotes would feel safe, and I've listed those before. out of normal human traffic seems consistent, but other than that, its lay of land, and that can chage from field road locations to draws and wood edges- its all where the sign shows me. All these are in effect "hidden" from normal farm traffic.
Thats what I tried to do in my video, show how things connect, show how locations lay between attraction points- our study here, showed a steady pattern of movement to specific locations- A to B to C randomly during many tracking sessions.
of course I want deadpiles, manure piles & bone yards. and cows in pastures or feed lots.
lots of it is "if I was a coyote that wanted to be HERE, where would I be now? How would I come in?" and where in that approach area, would be a good stall out spot? I'm using as my base, what I tried to duplicate earlier physically, I then go to that spot, and look for sign. If no sign there, I try again.
and that about sums up my knowledge LOL
which is why the studies are important to me, they give me minute hints about what are stall out spots.
Keep in mind as well, that as I've said many times, I think lure use, urine use, baits, presentation and bold sets, are what makes it all work.
I used to run 75% flat sets, slowly went to stepdown formost, and now, I'm going to all dirtholes- I never made a flat set this past season, and very few the year before. My sets look like peas in a pod, not much variation becasue I am coming to believe, in general trapping, one doesn't need the variation, one just needs it to be right, and then variation becomes counterproductive.
Again, my thoughts in accepting givens.
On the bottom photo, took 4 there, 2 singletons and a double- in that used pasture (cows were present) is an old bone yard, bones everywhich way. Tracks milling about all over. old scat, new scat- all "scattered" about the bone yard.
the next photo up- big lagoon, old bones scattered all around, barns 50 feet to left- this spot drew my eye, sign confirmed it.
the next photo, with the bales and truck and me- I've trapped this for 25 years. when collaring caught one one night, 7 days to the day caught here here again. down the draw, is a dead pile- to right, is high dry stock pond dam. You can see the lay of the land, this all slopes down, sometimes steeply, to here. It just screams stall out spot- and it is. I had 2 other singles here after this double.
Collaring told me this was a multiple use area- and it was (is) a template for my trying to define "party areas" Many of the others, are setup in relation to dead piles and again, the lay of the land determines where to set.
I can guess some locations, but others are just where I see the right sign.
My blind spot if you will, is if something LOOKS like it should be right....I still set it. and thats costing me.
never before this past year have I set so close together as some of the pics show- but it semed to work
I'll be honest, 540x2 has mentioned some methods he would prefer not mentioned on an open forum. 1f 1080 was coaching me in this debate, I'd know more than I do!
btw 1080- a simple request...I don't need any videos, but will you do me a tiny favor.......just send me a picture of your finished set........?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 26, 2012 18:52:59 GMT -6
never before this past year have I set so close together as some of the pics show- but it semed to work
Hence the reason for your increase in double catches!!!!
Not pay attention to set location in accordance of wind direction and things should improve more..........
I know Tman in the past you stated you never gave any attention to wind direction in relation to set location, using "less" eye appeal sets the wind has more importance than does a flashy setup for sure.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2012 20:09:21 GMT -6
I know Tman in the past you stated you never gave any attention to wind direction in relation to set location
in the past, I set mostly travel lanes, and as such, wind direction didn't matter to me- a trap on each side of a travelay, covered all wind directions.
setting as I am now, you are correct, I am paying more attention to wind directions as few locations ARE travelways.
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Post by 1080 on Mar 27, 2012 0:41:34 GMT -6
I'll be honest, 540x2 has mentioned some methods he would prefer not mentioned on an open forum. 1f 1080 was coaching me in this debate, I'd know more than I do! btw 1080- a simple request...I don't need any videos, but will you do me a tiny favor.......just send me a picture of your finished set........? I will address your Coaching crap. After the "Rock & Clod"video he pm`ed ,thought it was about him. What,I thought.Just send him the Trappers post,so it got sent to him.What he does with the damn thing is his business.So if it got referenced today it was of HIS own accord. Anybody reading this thread realizes he needs no coaching from me and I don`t appreciate the implication of such. A picture,lets start with this ....... Is that Blunt enough for ya! I will try to salvage a SMALL piece of where I was going... It is about % for me. % caught that go by,% of local coyotes that will encounter my sets,% that will accept my set AND work it,% that will die sooner rather than later.I want the HIGHEST %...Always.. Who doesn`t,,,right. Some techniques/procedures/methods do just that,others don`t. Here`s Our breakdown.Indiana. I made you a video,The sole purpose of our trip was to INCREASE our percentage caught..We did 1-3,1-4 day after day !! Why,,,,I have 10 days,Andy`s missing work to visit and to Kill coyotes.10 a day and we won`t be doing it again. Were both type A.Baby steps isn`t going to happen.. Lets review some FACTS... We ran 150+- traps the last 3 yrs. We just came off our best year to Date ! When I first started this,he had neither the ground or any Idea what WAS possible. After 2 days I realized this wasn`t the West. eastern coyotes travel,on average 7 miles per night.Read any study as I did,and any collared coyote was going that distance. This is KEY Tman,and no mention of it yet in this back/forth. There are No HUGE voids between groups.At least I never saw that in Indiana,partly due to the type ground I look for,and YES other things !! Dispersal is a function of Lack of food /intolerance. Trail cams confirmed certain things I suspected and found visually, specific areas etc,etc,,,,,Not just dead piles. They seem to tolerate each other much better due to a number of things. Prey/deer among them as I found no shortage of deer kills.. Here`s a biggie,anytime you have more of them,they are more competitve for A TRAP. Anybody that has trapped coyote for any length of time knows this.It isn`t news,or shouldn`t be. I have looked at density studies for MN,NY,IN,and maine,not to mention the south.Compared to most of the west,it`s INCREDIBLE. Capitalize on what I said,you can do better than your grail figure of 15-20%,but you gotta work at it,put traps WHERE they belong,catch damn little trash,and Hammer damn near every coyote that comes by... The bulk of your coyotes haven`t seen a set since last fall,and many don`t remember being pinched,and dirt blown in his face over a 9 month period...Whack Em. Do it fast,and go.. We do it different out West because that prick may not be back for days,and when damn few around,he doesn`t need your set ,so get him where he`s in the mood...Fur trapping now.Control work is different,and I will tell you nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tmans MN study showed about that.Everything from the southern studies I read showed 7--miles or LESS.Andy confirmed that when he ran with a "KNown"trapper there and told me the sign was incredible.Countless times better than Indiana.I take his word for that.He told me the game plan was"200-300" traps in the ground.Not his words but the others.They didn`t catch near the animals,not his fault as he was a passenger and "The Kid" Overall numbers nothing near (his & Mine),they set locations,they caught trash,and spent countless hours driving checking empty traps.He did Very well but was at the mercy of somebody elses program... Great learning experience Thou,so glad he went.He can better appreciate our approach.. They Set everything,crossings,t in the road,crop edges,you get the picture.....LOCATIONS...Set spots The old western Adage was see track,set trap,see coming and going track set more traps. Out west,that can work.Not what I typically do,but it will net SOME. We don`t have the Numbers,cover,prey base,and the biggie,,,,Water. They cover 22-30 miles a night in much of the west. (Kansas & Texas)aren`t west.Only West of most of you When you have coyotes ONLY moving 7+- miles a night ,thats nothing.I noticed they live like Fox,distance wise.Take them and keep moving. Does it matter to me where I set....Damn TOOTIN Where you set....IDGAF Northern Indiana is LOADED with coon.We have caught less than 8 per yr.Maybe that many possum,and the roads are paved with them.I have yet to see a skunk ! So tell me it doesn`t matter and set Locations.........BS..IMO Your pictures tell me little other than YOU set there. When you figure what it is I AM looking for,you let me know. And you will know,and you WILL pm me. I will say "good for you" Yea,I have told you some things NOT to mention. Enough to get you started,when that light comes on you will know,but you have to understand coyotes better than you do now.NOT a Knock.......A Fact... The more you spend time in the field,now that you have your "Blueprint" (that was good) then we can take it up a notch,but your freebie at the soup kitchen is over Git R Done !!! By the way,I enjoyed the video,everyone on here should get it ,if for no other reason than the Minnesoooda Accent
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