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Post by seldom on Mar 24, 2012 9:50:27 GMT -6
deanchapel- heres the link I mentioned to you in your thread- www.wildlifeprofessional.org/western/transactions/2009_3_Randel.pdfI found several things that were interesting in it. One thing to look at......44% of the coyotes recorded on camera, had no reaction to scent stations. While there was room for error as mentioned, it was by far the most COMMON reaction.I have to ask my self why this occurred, and if, based on the criiteria of the study... could this % have drastically been altered downward with different methods? I haven't read this study yet but off the cuff, it seems to coincide with one of 1080's first offered-up studies that started this thread.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 24, 2012 11:12:49 GMT -6
at first I thought it might be the same, but I don't think so...
if so, it deserves another read
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Post by Zagman on Mar 24, 2012 11:18:44 GMT -6
Ignoring scent stations may very well be the case in these studies....but you continue to ignore the difference in that SAME scent station if downwind from and within close proximity to another stimuli....like my dirthole set!
I will get back to your questions from earlier about my dogs and their use, etc.
MZ
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Post by jdpaint on Mar 24, 2012 13:17:12 GMT -6
MZ , very humble, Do you have a gut feeling on the # of coyotes that can be caught in a three week time frame ,with a 24 check in central NY ? Do you think you can catch 10 more? 50? what about the human population factor of NY ,not including nyc ,we are still 7 th or so in the nation, MN is in the low 20 s and not sure were 1080 is from.I think your crop change and his road are 2 way differant things? I see aline in between fields i think of mice and woodchuck holes witch equals food?There mind was on what you were looking for? T-mans road they were cruising thru with the mindset of the haybales and food? Common sense? These threads are quite confusing.In the past you have posted on a simple crop change or so it looked with a staggering amount of fur caught with a couple blacks thrown in.No bales ,no trees,no visuals,well except for your circles, with a 4 check and blow you would have left a lot of valuable fur?These are the so called spots everyone is looking for.Is it human population, or the lay of land that funnells the fur thru your spot?Do they produce every year?What are you trying to improve on? Catch more fur with less traps? will you have to drive farther to find the mega spots?What if the habitat only supports 1 0r 2 coyotes ,is wrong to catch them? There are only so many trappable coyotes due to other things in central NY.This fox trappers mentality thing he spoke of- there are some fine fox trappers who could or do whack the heck out of coyotes here.Dont understand that at all.For me ,I make a dirthole here it better be dual purpose -grey, red , coon and cat are all wanted.For a another SPOT set where round bales have sat awhile and then moved ,the rings left on the ground are great attractors.That is about the only tip i can add to this thread.Take care.
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Post by seldom on Mar 24, 2012 13:21:15 GMT -6
deanchapel- heres the link I mentioned to you in your thread- www.wildlifeprofessional.org/western/transactions/2009_3_Randel.pdfI found several things that were interesting in it. One thing to look at......44% of the coyotes recorded on camera, had no reaction to scent stations. While there was room for error as mentioned, it was by far the most COMMON reaction.I have to ask my self why this occurred, and if, based on the criiteria of the study... could this % have drastically been altered downward with different methods? I haven't read this study yet but off the cuff, it seems to coincide with one of 1080's first offered-up studies that started this thread. Nope, completely different. Scent station vs scent post.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 24, 2012 14:56:37 GMT -6
I used to run for 2-4 weeks in a location.
What I caught in the first week was always the bulk of the coyotes- after that, its sporadic so why not move on?
my point on the bales was this- I read so much of "just set on tracks"- and used that road, to show tracks are seen in locations that aren't necessarily good locations for sets.
I know that some are thinking the bales are the draw, and to my mind- THEY ARE NOT at that location. They are incidental and provided a backing, but as pointed out, there are bales everywhere. I agree, esp in stack yards, the bales can be attraction points, but even then, there is a difference between moving through, hunting compared to stalling out.
to the question are you missing fur by not staying longer- wouldn't the answer be, more traps AT the location from the get go? and move on to new populations?
If you are making fox sets, setting on fox locations, treating coyotes as just big fox, you are missing the boat & you aren't going to whack the coyotes.
There seems to be the thought I'm saying fox trappers cannot do well on coyotes, and nothing is further from my mind.
I've said you cannot get the maximum amount of coyotes BY fox TRAPPING.
not that fox TRAPPERS cannot be good coyote trappers. Big difference in the two statements
But when fox trappers want to whack coyotes, they ain't fox trapping. That's one of the givens one can accept, or not.
It seems to me, that you think any dirthole set anywhere, will take the majority of coyotes moving through. You of course are entitled to that opinion, but I believe that to be 100% false.
I believe the set makeup, and where it is, makes all the difference in the world. That as well is a given I accept.
If you think these two givens aren't true, then its hard to move beyond that point.
I used to be of the mindset that I wanted it all- fox, coyote, coon, etc. A mixed bag line But am I coyote trapping, or just trapping?
I still don't frown when I catch one and there is of course nothing wrong with making your lines goal a true mixed bag.
One would think that if I'm trapping the same farms, since I do catch coon/fox in my coyote sets, that I'd take the coon/fox there- but nothing is further from the truth. To maximize your catch if primarily after a certain animal, then you have to make sets for that animal, and let incidentals take care of themselves.
my red fox and coon catch dropped substantially, as did possums the last 2 years- 3 possums in coyote sets all year this past fall, and I used to take as many as 12-15 in a day.
Answer seems simple enough- are those incidentals going to be hanging out regular in coyote stall out areas?
If you want primarily coyotes, make coyote sets at coyote locations and use coyote methods.
Coyotes ARE NOT just big fox.
EVERYTHING is different.
what I'm trying to improve on is what I've stated, to be taking 1 coyote out of every 3-4 traps set- not 5-6%.
I like crop changes as travel lanes- and I surely did catch a lot of coyotes at such in years past.
but this "I see aline in between fields i think of mice and woodchuck holes which equals food?" doesn't apply o nthe famrs here. Crops changes are corn, then beans for example. no buffer zone between them. one of my favorite crop changes is old and new hay- often the same everything, but color, and yes, coyotes do follow that color line- again, with no buffer zones containing much of anything. Crop changes here, do not mean food- they mean continuity from season to season and year to year. The fields are ALWAYS the same, the field edges are always there- that is something that is stable, no matter the time of year or the crop. the field edges, never vary, just the crops themselves change in rotational farming which is the norm on small farms around here. Once you get into flatter areas, it all changes and you see cash crop type farms- menaing 100% one crop on the farm that year. what sucks about them, no need for field roads, and they often have none. Field roads are only needed for crops that have different needs ie spraying, cultivating, harvest at different times during the season.
I have a lot of farms that look great in summer, but in fall with a singular crop to be harvested, worked up, when its harvested, its dead land.
Throw out a lot of traps on travel lanes, and those 1 & 2 locations add up.
but.....
bob said it himself- he'd rather drive 50 miles to a place where he could slay the coyotes, then stopping 10 times on the way there to catch a few. I agree.
The goal is to have most of the line made up of those locations-
Zags, I wasn't eignoring anything. The study posted shows coyotes very near sets, sets they must be aware of, and what their reactions are. What I took from this study, is that again, not all coyotes that are aware of your sets, work them. Isn't the goal to get 99% of them to work the sets?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 24, 2012 15:35:27 GMT -6
JDpaint please post your location
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Post by seldom on Mar 24, 2012 17:17:02 GMT -6
what I'm trying to improve on is what I've stated, to be taking 1 coyote out of every 3-4 traps set- not 5-6%. I like crop changes as travel lanes- and I surely did catch a lot of coyotes at such in years past. Throw out a lot of traps on travel lanes, and those 1 & 2 locations add up.
but.....
bob said it himself- he'd rather drive 50 miles to a place where he could slay the coyotes, then stopping 10 times on the way there to catch a few. I agree.
The goal is to have most of the line made up of those locations- Interesting that you brought that up. I remember when BW made that comment more than once and I started making that shift 3 years ago specifically with that in mind. While making the shift I could see the difference so I quit completely what was once my east, farm(crop) line where I did exactly as you described. Set on a lot of 1-2 travel ways while dodging harvest and houndsmen as soon as the first tracking snow flies. The caveat' to that remark was if the crops weren't off, I did find and successfully set stall-outs but these disappeared with the harvest and depended specifically on the crop. Whereas now I'm setting IN 7-8-9 coyote per spot locations with no concerns about harvest or houndsmen. With the change in mndset as well as territory I seeing that the stall-out locations remain consistent due to the lack of change of the coyotes reason to be there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have one 200 acre farm yet that isn't surrounded by other open farm ground. It's tucked into the edge of some square miles of heavy woods and it has a nice deep waterway splitting the 4 fields with a lane crossing the ditch at the epicenter of the fields. This is a 4-6 coyote location when and only when, there is standing corn in one field that always offers a stall-out in the common corners. The location of the stall-out is very specific to that field's corner. Once the crops are off the fields are immediately turned and the entire farm lapses into less than a 1-2 coyote This can change depending on whether a 2 acre rabbit patch has a good rabbit population that year. If it has the rabbits, the field side of the patch will be worth another 3-4 coyote as it would become a stall-out where it wasn't eariler. What I always thought interesting was that though there is the farm lane and the waterway making like a crosshairs with the 4 fields, the coyote would seldom travel them to get to tne patch, they would cross the plowed ground on diagonals or randomly rather than follow the lane or waterway! If a coyote came through the "crop in" stall-out, it would only be a 1-2 coyote travelway IF and only IF there were catch circles. If it hadn't been a stall-out eariler due to the harvest, the seemingly ideal travelway location wouldn't materialize because of the random field crossing. It's a location that crop rotation and harvest change affects it's quality as a stall-out or even a travelway every year.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 24, 2012 17:21:28 GMT -6
What I always thought interesting was that though there is the farm lane and the waterway making like a crosshairs with the 4 fields, the coyote would seldom travel them to get to tne patch, they would cross the plowed ground on diagonals or randomly rather than follow the lane or waterway! If a coyote came through the "crop in" stall-out, it would only be a 1-2 coyote travelway IF and only IF there were catch circles. If it hadn't been a stall-out eariler due to the harvest, the seemingly ideal travelway location wouldn't materialize because of the random field crossing. It's a location that crop rotation and harvest change affects it's quality as a stall-out or even a travelway every year.
good post and my observations as well-
I have some farms I trap every other year- if its all corn - I pass it by- next year when its beans- I set it up. Thats why I like rotational strip farming- its always some corn, some beans.
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Post by jdpaint on Mar 24, 2012 18:40:35 GMT -6
All set TC . bob said it himself- he'd rather drive 50 miles to a place where he could slay the coyotes, then stopping 10 times on the way there to catch a few. I agree.
The goal is to have most of the line made up of those locations-
Lots of info to take in.How far are your lines in mileage if you are willing to drive fifty miles to set a trap? How many coyotes do you expect to be caught at this location? I wonder how many he meant as slaying?Then i wonder if one picked up five farms 10 miles apart how many coyotes one would catch to your one spot? What if one of these farms was the spot to catch 10 that had been drove by? Nice site and hard to find indepth discussion like this these days.I enjoy the mix of fur to much to do what you all do. By reading and applying I should become a much better allaround trapper though. Thanks.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 24, 2012 19:51:45 GMT -6
I put on from 125 miles on shortest loop, to 190 or so on longest. Next year, will expand so most loops will be 200 miles or so. but one thing to remember, the roads here for the most part are winding, and with the coulees and such, its as Firesign Theater said- You can't get there from here.... how many? All...... The studies show that stall out areas, with certain other things like carcass piles etc are high use areas. The idea, is to be where every coyote, in adjoining areas, will share territory. and I know- its hard to figure out and find those spots- but that's what this discussion is all about- not IF those spots exist (..... so take me at my word on this, cause 1080 isn't going to say anything, the man takes staggering numbers of coyotes and he will probably bust my balls for saying this, but.....I'll say a public thank you for taking the time to get us thinking hmmmmn.... ) but accept that they do, and figure out how to pinpoint and utilize them. I had one location, where I took double first night, double 2nd night, singleton third night (added new trap tat didn't connect) and then 2 more in 6 checks. at locations within 10 miles of that place, I took another 12-15. Had one day where we had 3 doubles in 4 stops, all within 5 miles of each other. Locations I had trapped for years, so knew where the spots were- not through mental gymnastics, but becasue I'd trapped all over the farms, and naturally found spots that connected year after year. I was damn proud- man, I whacked them! Stopped at the farm with the 7 this january, and said did real well around here- and he said- didn't get them all- heard them last night there, there and over there- 2 traps at the locations- what would I have scored- with 6-8 traps at those locations- all grouped together in the spot. Like bob also says- you aren't going to have 4-6 spinning there, if you don't have 6-8 traps there. so how many at a good spot? I think the possibilities are endless. I had to,your praises are killing me.
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Post by 1080 on Mar 24, 2012 22:14:56 GMT -6
Tman. My asss is so chafed right now I can`t sit,and it`s your fault Besides,,,,You don`t take that many coon You want me in here and just spill the beans.Are there things I do I think many on here Don`t...Sure. Remember all the great trappers (almost all have passed) that have helped shape what I do,they excelerated my learning curve from damn near the beginning.I made a point to meet,run with them,and made friends with many of them.The researchers,The center,on and on and on.The TIME SPENT AFIELD. There is NO replacement for any of it...Really It all melds into the big picture.It really does. I started with the studies as of late to provoke some thought,something to read other than the daily basics that seem to always frequent the "Forum" scene. I personally have Never viewed this internet "Trapping" scene as anything other than a brief hangout to horse around.It has been nice,hanging back with little to say.I guess I (until recently)realized for many IS an avenue for profound info. IMO...it is NOT.....at least for coyotes and coyote trapping,since I don`t even bother reading anything else !! The studies are interesting,thought provoking,much more intense reading than most of the trapping forums nonsense,and posted for that reason.Certainly not the end all be all by any stretch,but YOU already know that !! I have a sense since you speed read you are gobbling these up like candy Knowlton,Connelly,Phillips etc,always reiterated that between the studys,,and the research facility we still have a lot to learn,and that what we think we know oftentimes can/does change.. In the mid 70`s the planet was going to freeze in 20 yrs,today Anthropogenic(man made) global warming. Both were/are Bullshit IMO. TC posted a classic Core area study.,,For Fun,,,I think ,,, Knowlton(In 99)Wrote ""it is generally accepted that coyotes are less vulnerable to capture devices within core areas of their territory". He knows WHO was at the center of that on tman a few years ago.I also know that Wiley,AND Chris M,blew So&So`s Shiit right out of the water. Were there some usable points in the study.Depends on who you ask.I have talked to Both on this subject,(I respect Both),and think we can agree that the majority(not all) of whats in it is damn hard,if not impossible to use. Can you imagine NOT setting core areas because coyotes are more neophobic in that area as opposed to fringe/boundry areas. Say What Where the hell do you think I try to set my traps Now 2011(TC`s study) says: "We observed greater vulnerability to capture in areas more intensively used by coyotes. Additionally, coyote traps are usually set with lures that do not evoke a neophobic response but rather elicit investigative behavior from coyotes". What a difference 12 yrs made!! I guess what you/I/all of us hopefully would prefer is some thought provoking info on here ,and since many have never seen/read/knew they existed, the studies gave them an opportunity to draw their own conclusions,learn a FEW things that coyotes are capable of,and read something other than the daily drivel of forums and "Trappers Rags" I also know your a very good reader and have(if it was there to be found) picked out concepts and/or specifics,althou subtle,that others may not have. I can see you wanting to shout from the highest mountain about your newfound "Coyote Nirvana",but remember many are still on the hillsides Your "Fixation" has astounded me,as you truely want to Light Up your traplines,and I want you to,Hell I want ALL of you guys to succeed,but it`s a long journey,a never ending one,and something "The Studies" play a small part in. It was mentioned,some are quite good,some fair,and I have a pile also that could be used for a fire starter !!
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 24, 2012 22:36:25 GMT -6
"The studies are interesting,thought provoking,much more intense reading than most of the trapping forums nonsense"
Perhaps the most accurate statement ever made on a forum.
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Post by 1080 on Mar 25, 2012 1:18:12 GMT -6
The idea, is to be where every coyote, in adjoining areas, will share territory. I hate to throw a monkey wrench in the mix Now as I don`t think you have had this much fun in years BUT,,,,,,I Know<<<The dreaded "But" Since you trap in October/November,you need to remind me "Exactly Who" is Holding territory THEN ? Not everybody held territory to begin with! Everything changes after pups are no longer puppies,once the family "Fracturing"starts,everything changes. These studies are typically spring/summer events. I hate doing it,that needs to be mentioned however.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 25, 2012 7:52:35 GMT -6
Since you trap in October/November,you need to remind me "Exactly Who" is Holding territory THEN ? Not everybody held territory to begin with!
Everything changes after pups are no longer puppies,once the family "Fracturing"starts,everything changes.
These studies are typically spring/summer events.
I'm aware that territory is held only during denning and pup raising periods- and I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. I was using range and territory indiscriminately, and I shouldn't have.
What I meant, was by trying to find the dens, or at the very least family groups (much easier for me to see) during the summer, one knows approximately whats there.
so what I meant by sharing territory, was being in locations where coyotes from multiple groups, would gravitate. areas in which multiple coyote groups overlap as part of their range.
while not all coyotes have territory, they all have a range in which they travel and exist.
I also understand time frames, and snapshots of time vis a vis territory and other things-
and I know studies have flaws as well-
Here is what excites me- I've trapped coyotes here for 25 years, and have trapped gophers full time for quite a few years as well and during that time, I've come to conclusions while coyote trapping, taking successful areas and wondering why they were, and why others weren't. Conclusions about scent, about urine use, about type of set, about all the things that go through our heads as thinking coyote trappers.
My gopher work gives me the great opportunity, to be on many farms that I coyote trap, all spring and summer, and in doing so, walking all over the place I see lots of things coyote related.
From those observations, I've also drawn conclusions.
What the studies do for me, is validate what I had previously concluded from personal observation. What the studies do, is provide a blueprint on WHY.
Can you imagine NOT setting core areas because coyotes are more neophobic in that area as opposed to fringe/boundary areas.
no, I can't. BUT, I can also take into account their behaviors in core areas and use that to make better sets that appeal to them, and do it in locations that do so as well.
meaning, from what I can gather, that core areas are not the same insofar as success rates, depending on where in that core area you set.
Isn't that the crux of the matter, that within boundarys, (like core areas) that while coyotes may BE in all parts of it, that all places "they be" within, will not have equal success rates?
After all travelways, edges, hunting locations, carrion sites etc are within the core area since core area simply means that they spend a majority of the time (what do the studies show- 60-80% depending on the study?) within that area. All it means is familiarity with an area, more or less, in practical terms.
and while its not practical to worry about exact core areas vs fringe areas, the knowledge of such, certainly doens;t diminish ones accumulated knowledge.
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Post by jsevering on Mar 25, 2012 8:48:29 GMT -6
wouldn't territory and certain denning area aspects come more into play progressively in part with the change in semiochemicals produced through urine time wise... the december lull so to speak in part the kick start some?... jim
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Post by seldom on Mar 25, 2012 9:44:17 GMT -6
[/size][/quote] I agree 101%!
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Post by seldom on Mar 25, 2012 13:06:17 GMT -6
Speaking of validation with the studies brings to mind a DVD I have. It's made by a trapper who seems to be disparaged by a majority on some of the forums but since I don't know him it made little difference to me. When I first viewed the video there was a segment dedicated solely to showing coyotes reaction to a specific stimuli that I had observed and experienced over the years. Yet, many reviews of the video and there was no way of missing the segment, denounce the whole thing as bs. This negitive reaction by other trappers had no bearing on me since I'm a "free-thinker" and because I knew what was shown to be true.
Than 1080 offers up some informative studies and low and behold, in some of the first studies, there it was, big as day and clear as a bell, a study tested the reaction to the same stimuli and went into detail WHY the coyotes reacted in the manner they did in the study, for me, AND on the video!!! Maybe the video's segment was made in such a manner that it was derived from the study? Don't know, don't care! So, a coyote's reaction to a stimuli on film, by me, and now validated by a study I would have thought the odds of the majority of coyote trappers would have also observed and experienced the same thing but nope, not from the negative reviews of the DVD or maybe they were "reviewing" the trapper!
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Post by Zagman on Mar 25, 2012 17:09:57 GMT -6
Tman, you asked me about my dogs, how WE pick locations together, if I rely on them too heavily, etc. My dogs are like any trapper. They pick the final, SPECIFIC, EXACT spot for a set. Not the general location. I pick that. So, you mentioned all the things we look for when picking general location......roads, crop changes, dead piles, etc. I pick THOSE general spots......based on my experience. I KNOW before I even get out of the truck that it will be utilized by coyotes. To what degree, I guess, is the question. So, now, I am at my spot. A spot any experienced location trapper would pick. Perhaps its an intersection of several crop changes/field roads, ditches, etc. Maybe its a blockage or a barrier. Maybe all of this stuff comes together and happens to be within 50-100 yards of a dead pile. Based on what you are telling me THE SPOT is.....and coupling that with my experience, my sense is I am setting many of the same places you are...... Tracks, turds, scent stations (found by dogs) all confirm what I thought when I first picked the spot......coyotes are using it. So, now THIS is when the dogs come in. I am setting a spot anyone of you would set as well. You know how you get out of the truck and start looking around for the backing or exact location for you trap bed? THAT is what my dogs do. For ONE set..... Since it is a location coyotes are using, I cast them out and the dogs do their running around within 20-30 yards of the truck, noses to the ground. At the same time, I will be getting my equipment out, but keeping an eye on them the whole time. Within seconds, they will have found the scent station and/or turds not visible to the human eye due to grass depth. Sometimes, they find more than one of each. Generally, it will be a large, dark grass tuft (GT). Noticeably different in height and color from its surroundings........... This tuft is ON LOCATION for any trapper setting there...... Now, I have one specific trap location picked (the key one, in my plan) and I work backwards into the other sets, so to speak. The GT becomes my anchor. I now go UPWIND of that anchor and put in my "loud" set. Loud, again, visually and olfactory...... Again, THAT set would be on the money for this general location......... Now, dependent on SIGN, the location gets two traps, or three, four, five, etc. Again, dependent on SIGN that the dogs and I find. As mentioned before, the GT has already been marked by coyotes. My dogs have marked it. I blend in a trap, and MAY add more urine to it. The other set(s) is within 20-30-40 feet generally......and any coyote passing through will see and/or smell them..... If, for ANY reason, a coyote is neophobic about the DH, or T-Bone or whatever set (s), a naturally occurring, scent station is there for them to hit if they so choose. My GT. The other sets will have commercial lures and baits....and in good quantity. IF IF IF a coyote paces or circles or just works the loud sets with the predominant wind, they should find my GT. Again, the NO LURE at the GT has multiple positives in my mind...... One, we assume some coyotes will be neophobic of the gnarly set due to smell and/or sight picture.....so why not offer them a natural, clean, safe alternative close by? Second, if you remember the "Gland lure aint natural" post......I think urine as a stand alone is a far better, safer offering. Again, I am not trying to call this coyote 500 yards......I am trying to call him 5 ft.....or more importantly, have the OTHER sets calling him in and giving him a place to lift his leg should he not bite on other sets. (For those who do not know about the gland lure post, my dogs, from getting caught in my traps have become LURE SHY....not trap shy. I was making some of the purest Red Fox gland lure you can make...buttholes and bladder urine. When straining the stink, I had a popsicle stick with some "gland slime" on it. I had placed a couple of burnt logs in my back yard and my dogs pee'd on them daily. Not wanting to waste the slime, I wiped it on the logs. The next day, as my dogs bee-lined for the logs to pee, they stopped short and would not go into them. They would NOT mark them.....they acted skittish over this LURE smell......and recognized the difference. Lure makers say its natural and makes the canines feel at ease. Well, my dogs showed me in this one example that their noses called foul on this.....) Now, not suggesting a coyote would be as shy or know there's a trap there......because again, my dogs are lure shy due to getting caught in my traps. A coyote , in general, would not have that same connection unless it too had a bad experience with a trap....and probably would even forget that after time. My dogs are exposed to hundreds of traps a season and avoid them like the plague.....because of the SMELLS, they know a trap is there. So, with the GT ALREADY being on the bullseye, I dont need any lure NOR do I want any lure on that set. The dog's pee, and ALL of the coyote pee from before COUPLED with the fact that this particular coyote probably even marked on this very GT in the past......makes this, to me, as good an offering you can give a nervous/neophobic coyote....other than a blind set. So, to be clear.....I use lots and lots of lure and bait and my traditional sets.....but very little at my GT. There's just no need for it...... And, again, my dogs don't sit in the front seat and pick out my general locations for me.....that's my job. They pick one of the SPECIFIC sets at the GENERAL location I chose. I should video one of these scenarios playing out...........maybe next year. Dogs are not for everyone.....most people have a pet or two anyhow, so the way I look at it, why not have a trapping dog? Whether rabbit hunting, grouse hunting, duck shooting, etc., most of these pursuits are more successful and plain old more fun with dogs. Would I catch the same amount or MORE without dogs.........not sure. But my numbers DO go up each year, and have every year since I got them. They even know how to hang fur on a barn.... And, they do this..... A million ways to skin a cat.....this is how I skin mine. Zagman
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Post by trappnman on Mar 25, 2012 17:31:06 GMT -6
Zags- what I was wondering, do the dogs ever not mark?
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