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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 11, 2010 6:24:08 GMT -6
orders only on the alcatraz traps, was going to buy one just to mess with none for sale, hoping to have them in next fe weeks is what the wolf creek guy told me.
Sold out on duke DP? I don't think so I saw plenty of them in boxes at alot of tables.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 11, 2010 7:30:55 GMT -6
your opinion on dukes, matters not.
in fact, anyones opinion, on what they do not or cannot do- means nothing
the only opinions that mattered, are measured ones- ie actually using the traps over a period of time, or actually making particular sets, instead of just reading about them.
same as my opinion on Sterlings- terrible trap, no serious coyote man would ever use them
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Post by rk660 on Aug 11, 2010 12:17:42 GMT -6
think the duke DP pretty much gone by saterday morning. I could have raised the price on my last doz and sold them for $20 more I'da wanted to.
Prolly the best put together duke trap to date.
Their legholds are a deceint budget minded trap, but there are definatly better traps out there. bottom line, does the time tinkering with them, justify the cost savings? sometimes, sometimes not, depending on end usage.
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Post by blackhammer on Aug 11, 2010 12:33:33 GMT -6
The Duke legholds I've bought are never basically ready to go out of the box.I like to use my time either trapping or in the off season trying to make money rather than tinkering with traps.Just don;t enjoy that.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 11, 2010 18:16:59 GMT -6
except for making a short notch, I found the dukes to be as trapline ready as any trap IN the 1.5, 1.75 models. only have a few of the bigger traps, and can't say I like them but thats just looking at them and occasional use, so cannot comment on general trapline readiness.
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Post by rk660 on Aug 11, 2010 23:28:57 GMT -6
worste part of a duke 1.5 is the huge dog loop that needs to be closed, and is time consuming to do. and its a "must do" ive seen plenty of pans bottomed out without firing if you dont close the loop. then when loop is closed, the dog length grows, and must be accounted for someplace else, either cutting do, filing notch or bending crossframe. Not a fun job when looking at 25 doz to do. it would be pretty simple to close the do loop, and why they cant do that one simple thing eludes me.
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Post by calvin on Aug 11, 2010 23:47:58 GMT -6
I close that loop in a bench vise when I/m going the other adjustments (yes, there are a few that gets done when many are watching TV). close the dog loop on one just till it starts to bind and make note of the vise handle position (like a postion on a clock) and do all them the same, ending the vise handle in the same spot on the crank. Very easy to do accurately and in numbers once you note the correct handle position on your bench vise.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Aug 12, 2010 5:12:48 GMT -6
Dont forget filing that burr off the dog end rich.
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Post by captaine on Aug 12, 2010 6:00:02 GMT -6
On the duke 1.5s, loosen pan bolt, short latch, deburr dog, adjust the crossframe, and check j hooks on swivels. Time consuming and monotonous if you have to do a bunch of them. Cant beat them for the price, Just picked up a bunch from Rich at the NTA. Thanks Rich
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Post by trappnman on Aug 12, 2010 6:44:29 GMT -6
never squeezed a dog loop on one of them yet- and a far as capitine's summation- never saw a need- busy work in my opinion.
short notch the pans, and all problems, if any were present, are solved. that includes squaring off the dog-
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 12, 2010 7:12:22 GMT -6
I have coyotes take off welded shut triggers, let alone stock ones. not on dukes, other brands. never used a duke. one look at the chains and j hooks was all I needed to see I wasn`t interested, at any price.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Aug 12, 2010 7:17:56 GMT -6
Got a bunch of Duke 1 1/2s to adjust for trapper training school, while students watch. Not about to make it in depth unless someone asks. The last lots had some that would not stay set. The cross frame was bent up making dog run steep down hill to pan. I suspect the traps were bent from being trucked around the country from the looks of the smashed shipping cartons. Not all trap lots need the same adjustments, the ones I got straight from Duke were a bunch nicer.
I don't know the other brands dealer pricing but with Dukes I do, the maker and many dealers help out to supply lots of traps to youth and students in this little District. That kind of service gets my attention.
Learned a lot of stuff on here about this from CoonDuke, Edge, and some you guys in mid west. Not everyone does it the same or likes them the same, (that dreaded short latch yuk lol), and that's fine. We do what works for us.
Black Hammer, What production traps ARE ready out of the box? (Honest question)
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Post by CoonDuke on Aug 12, 2010 7:37:57 GMT -6
A hammer and anvil makes short work of the burr on the end of the dog. Still have to close the eye and adjust for pan height tho...
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Post by trappnman on Aug 12, 2010 9:10:39 GMT -6
duke 1.5s-
if you short notch and square off dog- there isn't a reason in the world to close the loop- it matters not and does NOT come into play in any way. It doesn't of course hurt to do so, but you gain nothing.
never had a crosspiece problem in 250 or so 1.5 dukes- none newer than 7-8 years ago if that matters-
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Post by blackhammer on Aug 12, 2010 9:45:17 GMT -6
Got a bunch of Duke 1 1/2s to adjust for trapper training school, while students watch. Not about to make it in depth unless someone asks. The last lots had some that would not stay set. The cross frame was bent up making dog run steep down hill to pan. I suspect the traps were bent from being trucked around the country from the looks of the smashed shipping cartons. Not all trap lots need the same adjustments, the ones I got straight from Duke were a bunch nicer. I don't know the other brands dealer pricing but with Dukes I do, the maker and many dealers help out to supply lots of traps to youth and students in this little District. That kind of service gets my attention. Learned a lot of stuff on here about this from CoonDuke, Edge, and some you guys in mid west. Not everyone does it the same or likes them the same, (that dreaded short latch yuk lol), and that's fine. We do what works for us. Black Hammer, What production traps ARE ready out of the box? (Honest question) Conibears,little Grizzes LOL They all need a little adjusting.I had more problems with some Dukes over the years.Maybe a bad run or older models so to speak.Had some the pan caught on the levers at one time.
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Post by Rally Hess on Aug 12, 2010 20:11:52 GMT -6
The MB 450 can be used right out of the box.
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Post by calvin on Aug 12, 2010 22:22:01 GMT -6
I don't de-bur the end of the dog anymore. Look close and the last 1/16" is flat across. Looks like crud but no need to file. Compared them both (filed and not) and couldn't tell enough difference in feel to do it anymore. To each their own, though.
The MB 450s looks real nice. I have a hard time justifying the expense. I/m a bit cheap at times. I think if I was going to spend more money on a coon trap, I/d just go to the 1 3/4 for water...or even land with a chew guard.
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Post by Rally Hess on Aug 12, 2010 22:30:21 GMT -6
The 450's are nice. Wax, die, add a cable stake and get to it.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Aug 13, 2010 12:49:03 GMT -6
Well I picked up some more traps last weekend so I have some work to do. Here is what I do. First thing is squeeze the dog eye some. If you dont they lay like this, plus there will be 1/8 of travel front to back with the dog. That will allow you pan position to vary. When you close the eye up some, you can get them almost exact to centered on the pan when flopped over. I can ususally do better than this but its good enough. If you look at the dog you can see a stamp bur, I take that out. Calvin I vary my trap setting, some times hair trigger, some times, 1/3 of the dog will be on the notch, and somtimes I may go half. Depends on what I am doing but with the bur there I wont always full contact with the pan notch and the dog at some settings. I also square up the dog and the pan shank. Then I tighten up the pan bolt all the way and then back it off until the pan falls on its own. Finally set the trap and bend dog post until the dog and pan shank line up to my personal preference spot. Oh and also attach trap tag. It might all be a waste of time but it probably takes me 2 minutes to do a trap. Here is my next project, adding pinch pans, I am going to do a few dozen to see what I think of the pinch pans. I have heard alot of good things about a pinch pan.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Aug 13, 2010 17:46:44 GMT -6
Nice job on sending them back BOB, there rubber jaws are way too narrow, and will get hard and crack in a few years, at least the first pads I use in my kits did that I got from him. still got it on a 1.65 thats never left my box of displays. As far as the Quality of the 1 1/2 it seems like the earlier models was a lot heavier, the new ones way too many sharp edges. I am with you on catching the coon as he reaches in, as he might not always pick it up. Ask anyone who has had a pet coon how they play with their hands, (paws)
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