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Post by trappnman on Feb 8, 2008 6:43:36 GMT -6
how can yo ueliminate time? You cannot.
But yo ucan eliminate the chains of time.. for example500 beaver i n3 weeks, or 3 months-
and we could argue about the energy expended or the time consumed- but isn't the bottomline....
the bottomline?
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Post by Jeffrey on Feb 8, 2008 10:42:04 GMT -6
Zag, when I started trapping again and I wanted a good fisher, otter, beaver, rat, and cat, coon trap I went to the 280 because that is the largest trap I could put in trees and they are also a great beaver trap.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 8, 2008 10:48:01 GMT -6
But yo ucan eliminate the chains of time.. for example500 beaver i n3 weeks, or 3 months-
and we could argue about the energy expended or the time consumed- but isn't the bottomline....
the bottomline?
I dont totally understand your point.
We look at things different.
I'd try take those beaver as fast and efficiently as possible.
Than after I got the five hundred in three weeks I'd use the 2 months left over to try catch 500 walleyes.
Thats the bottom line.
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Post by Jeffrey on Feb 8, 2008 11:05:45 GMT -6
As far as footing beaver under ice, a baited platform with a 1.75 and one with a #4 will both take and hold beaver of any size. The only draw back as in trapping land is the kill area size, that's it. On land with the same traps for coyotes, that's the only difference, also they both work, but around town which tool would you use? Both traps have there place and they could be used in either situation, neither use is wrong or right, just preference and buget. In a fox area you may choose to use the 1.75 but will the #3 or #4 work, yes.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 8, 2008 11:06:46 GMT -6
yes, thats your bottomline-
but mines quite a bit different than that. If I want fish for example, people will give them to me, or I'll buy them.......
for example- you feel 330s are much faster, etc to put in- and in your country, I'll assume thats true. But here, I can put a foothold in quicker and certainly just as easy.... I can no more undertand someone saying footholds on beaver are time consuming, when to me they are not.. than you can understand me saying for me they are not....
you can run 200 traps for 3 weeks, and go fish... any different than running 30 traps for 2 months- and skip the fishing? Cause I'd rather trap than fish any day.
What it really comes down to is this- I can trap any day of the season I want to, as long or as light as I want to....
you can take efficeintcy in time to whatever degree you want to take it- but does the guy taking 3 beaver a day out of 4 traps less efficient in TRAPPING than he who takes 50 beaver a day in 150 traps?
Not to me- time is what you make of it- if trapping interfers with your life and job, then you need to go with what works...but when trapping is both my avocation and my vocation.... time is what I make of it.
Whether you drive 300 miles a day for 3 weeks, or 100 miles a day for 9- if you have the same amount of fur- whoses to say whats efficent or not? (concerning time)
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 8, 2008 11:42:22 GMT -6
Not to me- time is what you make of it- if trapping interfers with your life and job, then you need to go with what works
How about can trapping interfere with trapping?
Why not take said beaver in 3 weeks and than, oh say, go catch more beaver. Or catch some cats, fox, coyotes, or whatever.
Whether you drive 300 miles a day for 3 weeks, or 100 miles a day for 9- if you have the same amount of fur- whoses to say whats efficent or not? (concerning time
All depends on your perspective I guess.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 8, 2008 13:20:43 GMT -6
Why not take said beaver in 3 weeks and than, oh say, go catch more beaver. Or catch some cats, fox, coyotes, or whatever.
sure could- but for everything, there is a season....
different strokes......
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 8, 2008 13:33:30 GMT -6
I agree with steve 49, I can snare beaver fast and simple and I can 330 them fast and simple, if you have a channel set or what ever the smaller trap is going to take more time to fence in most cases, in some the best thing is a 660 for fast setting little to no fencing with this trap!
Also it is like saying what is the differance between checking you coyote traps daily versus every 3 days? There is a big differance in efficantcy.
Foot trapping beaver to me is more time consumming, can anyone tell me they can make a foot trap set for beaver as quick as they can hang a snare start to finish?
To get back on track, why would I want to use a trap that has a smaller kill zone on a coyote (a long legged animal) if other traps are legal to use? What am I to gain from it? I can tell you there would be some disadvantages to using them that is proven. time,missed opportunity's more so than over the #3 sized traps for this species on extended checks and over all weather and soil types?
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Post by ohiyotee on Feb 8, 2008 13:40:18 GMT -6
The actual setting time might not be faster , but the time it takes to find a suitable set location is sometimes easier with a foot hold . like a large river system, just find a feeder creek and make a fast foot hold set . you might still be looking for a slide with your snare, also i could set the slide with the foot hold . It may surprise some how fast a foot hold can go in .
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Post by trappnman on Feb 8, 2008 14:10:52 GMT -6
Foot trapping beaver to me is more time consumming, can anyone tell me they can make a foot trap set for beaver as quick as they can hang a snare start to finish?
yes, I surely can. Why is making beaver footholds thoguht to be time consuming. In habitat that supports them- deep water, clay banks- they go in quicker than I typed this.
Now- you can argue they WEIGH more- and yes, they do.
It may surprise some how fast a foot hold can go in .
exactly. drowning sysem preset up on cable- set trap, set anchor (and you need anchors for snares also) and set is in.
TC- you keep going back to it over and over, and I accept, that you are not comnfortable nor confident with smaller traps for coyotes. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 8, 2008 14:48:55 GMT -6
you don't need the perfect place for the snare! As with foot traps I can make my own slide with my boot and add a little castor based lure or food lure behind it and bang you got snared beaver in no time flat! Find the feeder creek and hang those snares in a boot slide set as well. AS Tman mentioned I'm carrying less weight over all with a few dozen snares compaired to a few foot traps and I can set shallow or deep with the snares. With a tile spade and snares many times your feet don't even need to hit the water to make the set!
Matter of fact I make most of my snare locations as I want it to benefit the snare and the location! A snare is no different in that reguard than a foot trap unless you have bare banks up and down.
I have little confidance in smaller/lighter weight -spot welded coyotes traps because I need them on 3 day checks and in all weather conditions and soil types. These are the down fall to those traps! Little crust busting power, less jaw to grab the foot when you couple the dirt covering needed in windy areas and then add on some snow your toe catch rate will increase, exspecialy those using little to no pan tension. So yes my total lack of confidance in those smaller traps in those conditions are warranted for sure!
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Post by thebeav2 on Feb 8, 2008 15:18:53 GMT -6
I'm back I only scraped 25. I will still argue the point that I can put In 330 a lot faster then you can a foot hold for beaver. Same goes for snares. And as to snares I want my beaver dead and with as little fur damage as I can get. I don't want that beaver running all over the bank for 3 days until I get back to check It. If your just killing beaver and throwing them In the brush then fine but I'm fur trapping. And then with live beaver I will have to deal with cats and coyotes killing them and eating them I have enough of that trouble when there In 330s and dead.
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Post by thebeav2 on Feb 8, 2008 15:21:12 GMT -6
Oh ya my 330s are not a one time use thing like a snare Is. So In the long run 330s are cheaper.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 8, 2008 15:55:13 GMT -6
yo ucan argue it- but until you see me set or I see oyu set, we will never know.
But all I can say is this- I can put a beaver foothold in 99% of the time quicker that I can try to stabilize a 330 in rocky ground OR 10 feet deep water. Each to their own.
TC- when I neeed ot deal with 72 hour checks, I will- and I suspect you don't deal with frozen ground, etc, etc very darn often- as you always say- easier to snare, poison or shoot.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 8, 2008 17:53:46 GMT -6
I'm not getting in the beaver trap debate ever again, lol.
Gary I have 18 left to put up. Can I send them to you lol? Man i'm getting lazy or else to much fishing on the brain.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 8, 2008 19:56:29 GMT -6
I'm not getting in the beaver trap debate ever again, lol.
who won.......?
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 8, 2008 20:17:54 GMT -6
depends on who you ask and there perspective.
Different strokes...
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Post by trappnman on Feb 8, 2008 20:28:31 GMT -6
LOL-
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Post by ColdSteel on Feb 8, 2008 20:58:30 GMT -6
I like debates especially when I am in the middle of them.I had to stay out of the beaver debate .I only own a 1/2 dozen MB 750s and 7 dozen 330's
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Post by ColdSteel on Feb 8, 2008 22:17:06 GMT -6
Beav you hit the wrong keys what are you saying ;D
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