1.75 Dukes

[trappnman]

on land- unless you are trapping wolverines or wolves- the land aninmals 99% of us encounter, are coyote size or smaller- so if you are indeed looking for 1 trap fits all, a 1.75 would be one obvious choice- Im sure there are others that would qualify.

in water, the comparible animals would be rats, mink, coon- so 220s WOULD be the obvious compromise trap. Now- if you want the wolverines and wolves too- (beaver)- then you need a bigger trap.

add in that incidentals are ALMOST a non concern in water....

makes sense to me.

[trappnman]

short checks? yes, I prefer my coyotes not melted down.....

[thebeav2]

Mr Zag
I'm In sunny snowy Oregon WI temps are 40 degs and expecting 7 to 9 inches of snow by wed morning. Wish I had gone south.
Yes the 220 would be a good choice as the all around body gripper.
Great coon trap will catch you some rats and mink works well on otter and with some guiding and used In the right situations will take a bunch of beaver. But It's not the perfect trap for all those critters just like I said about the 1.75.
But Like I posted before about foot holds If I was to just target a certain animal like say beaver I would be using the most effective trap I could buy and that would be 330s
Now as to price I can buy a doz 1.75s for under $60.00 I can buy a doz 330 mags for under a $130.00 I can buy a doz 220s for $72.00
Say what ever happened to that Adirondack guide dude I sold those traps to?

[Zagman]

.....I bet the average beaver trapped doesn't even break 30 pounds.

Besides, this is not your concern, mine and Beavs! You dont use 220's and 330's to the degree he does.......

If you somehow can twist logic that the coyote and beaver are not peers, land to water, then as usual, there's no sense going any further!

Didnt you catch 5 beaver in coon sets this year? Percentage wise, I bet there's a ton of fox trappers out there getting a similiar percentage of coyotes in their fox traps.

Gotta go lay by the pool.................

Zagman

[BrandonH]

I'm still around, Beav......

[trappnman]

tay out of it then you ask me a question?

for the rcord- I've water trapped all my life- and have used 330s for 20+ years. I've caught enough beaver in 330s AND 200s to form an informed opnion on both. While never in enough beaver area to take numbers like Rally- I took a high of 49 and many many years 20-30 beaver- so a conservative estimate might be......600- maybe 700 beaver- and thats not concentrating on beaver.

as far as catching 5 in coon sets- delibrately. When a coon set is made next to a beaver slide- its only a matter of time on 2 year olds. Not worth the effort to set beaver sets for a couple of vbbeaver I'd catch anyway.

so- enough anyway to have an opinion on a beavers size and how to trap them

sorry for butting in.....


but I do understand your point, as to what would be the cutoff point of an all around body grip in water- and I don't think its a fair comparison- because your animals of choice- mink /rats ,coon and beaver are so disportionate in size and weight.

While a 330 would be perfect for one, its not for the other. Even a mid trap, the 220, isn't a good all around beaver trap- I've set up places with 220s and you surely do get snapped traps- along with some beaver. And yes, you can indeed catch beaver in 220s- tight cutouts up high banks are perfect for them.

but the difference between 220s and 330s overall- is enormous in results. Its why I bought 330s instead of using 220s. When I say I don't like 330s, it only means I prefer footholds, not that I don't know how to use them.

Does the same occur on land? Is there that big a disparity in results on the main land animals, using a 1.75 vs a #4?

It doesn't seem that way- you have many people stating the 1.75 is their trap of choice, so you have to give credance to that-

yet, rarely do you hear of a beaver trapper using 220s as his main tool.

That some exist, would not surprise me in the least.

[trappincoyotes39]

Melted down? How would they get melted down I thought you where in WY in the fall? As for summer what value do you get from them then in Minn? A dead coyote can't fight or chew cable or traps!

[walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.)]

steve i didnt mean you couldnt bed as quick litterly....i was just stating
bigger trap=bigger bed=more dirt =more time

thats all i was getting at.....just dosent sound right

[trappnman]

Aaron- I know that everyone doesn't subscribe to the theory of packing smaller traps solid for coyotes, but I am convinced that only by doing so, do I get my snapped traps, etc reduced to comparable rates of other traps.

I do not want that trap to fire until almost 100% of a coyotes foot is on the pan.

With bigger traps, I do zero packing.

[walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.)]

oh i can understand why you pack a smaller trap....vs the bigger trap....i use all most 100% step downs so i havent found a difference in packing vs not packing...all im saying is it dosent add up in the brain that you can set a bigger trap having to do everything more than a little trap.....im sure its possible because you say you do it....i know it takes me 4 times longer setting a #4 than a 1.75 but then again im not setting the #4 but only on occasion.....my biggest time eatter is i cant seem to get the trap bed big enought and have to keep redigging it....but im sure that would stop if i set them more.....

[trappnman]

in most soils, it really doesn't take any longer to dig a bed big enough for a 1.75 or a #3. the mason hammer makes short work of it- timewise I'd say a draw. The time saved is in the bedding.

[thorsmightyhammer]

Jump to the 220.....not the perfect beaver trap like the 1.75 isnt the perfect trap for coyotes, but in the proper hands, more guiding, it will kill every beaver that sticks his head in it.


It might kill every beaver that sticks its head in it but it wont kill the 70 percent that wont stick their head into it Zags.

I'm gonna get myself in trouble here but its why I wouldnt use a 1 3/4 for a coyote anymore than I'd use a 220 for a beaver.

[ohiyotee]

whats the jaw spread on a 1.75?

[edge]

**whats the jaw spread on a 1.75? **

Approx 5 1/4 " for the Dke 175.........just under 6" for the #3 montana.

Edge

[trappnman]

It might kill every beaver that sticks its head in it but it wont kill the 70 percent that wont stick their head into it Zags.


is also showing that you aren't a coyote trapper- because 100% will stick their foot into a 1.75..... or more realistically, the same % as a bigger trap.

[thorsmightyhammer]

It might kill every beaver that sticks its head in it but it wont kill the 70 percent that wont stick their head into it Zags.


is also showing that you aren't a coyote trapper- because 100% will stick their foot into a 1.75..... or more realistically, the same % as a bigger trap


Nope not a coyote trapper just so everybody knows.

Probably never will be, have not intentions and desire to be. I dont see what the big deal is. Maybe if I live where there was a 30 to 40 dollar animal.

My point wasnt that a 1.75 wont catch the majority of the yotes.

Its that I dont think its as good of a trap because of effieciency.

You know what I mean?

But the main reason- is you don't have to dick with a bigger trap like you do with a smaller trap. I could bed 5 montanas in the time to bed 1 1.75

So if I ever decide I'm going to be a coyote trapper it wont bother me a bit to go out and buy 1500 bucks worth of traps.

Heck their value isnt ever going to really go down so if I dont use them much I could sell em and be out 4 500 bucks at most.

[trappnman]

Yes, I do know what you mean- its more of an overall efficientcy, than a specific one.

that is- if I had one coyote to trap, when I got down setting 2 traps- one of each- I'd bet even money that either trap would take that individual coyote as efficiency.

That once in the ground, I'm confident in the smaller trap- so it is efficient that way..

but putting in and maintaining a line- yes, it measures in that aspect as somewhat inefficient.

goes back to our beaver debate of 330s vs footholds. I know we disagree on this (or maybe we don't) but eliminating time, one is to me as efficient as the other- and in differing circumstances, one can me much more efficient than the other.

[thorsmightyhammer]

We disagree on the semantics of the debate. You debate is if I had one animal to trap than neither was superior, I'll agree to that.

I could care less about catching one animal.

goes back to our beaver debate of 330s vs footholds. I know we disagree on this (or maybe we don't) but eliminating time, one is to me as efficient as the other

Time is the only commodity we have a finite amount of.

How can you eliminate it?

[Rick]

Freak....yes....that's a word.

[Hardcase]

I use Duke 1.75's for yotes too, and I've held some big boys!! Of course we have to check on a 24 hour schedule. I really like them in areas where dog catches are a possibility. Are 3's better of course!

One other thing they sure are lighter to carry if you got to pack a bunch! ;D