Who read the Mark June artical in FFG from July?

[trappincoyotes39]

How many read the artical by Mark June and his famous white bucket from FFG?

[wheelie]

I haven't, more info pleeze

[trappincoyotes39]

It would take alot to go into it all but it is about the phobia "core" coyotes face with new novel objects in there territory. You need to read the 4 page artical.

[robertw]

"phobia core"?

Is this some kind of science fiction novel?

[trappincoyotes39]

He uses in an abstract way the study of novel stimuli on coyotes in there "core" home range study done a few years back!

[johnthomas]

must be why my competitor catches several yotes every winter from 220 bucket sets baited with road killed pheasants, ill have to explain this to him as he thinks its all in the bobcat urine he sprays all over the bucket and 220.

[robertw]

"novel stimuli" huh?

I haven't read the article and it may be a good one but...You sure use awfully complex words describing the thought processes / behavior of a coyote.

[foxcatcher1]

Yes I read it, and feel it has no place in a practical fur trapping situation. But might be of use in an ADC setting.

A breif synopsis of the article:

According to Mark and the study, if you place an object in a coyotes core home range it can scare him. The coyote will take note of it and check it every so often but not aroach it for the most part. They did the study with two diffrent sized objects (cones I believe) and found that with the smaller object some bold coyotes would come close to inspect it while timid, subordanant coyotes wouldn't even come close. They then found that if the object was removed that all coyotes would come to inspect the area to see if there was anything of interest at the objects former location.

Mark used ths information by making a set with .........I can't remember if it was one or two buckets placed in the coyotes home range. The trap was covered buy the bucket with the intent to peque the coyotes curiosity. Then Mark would remove the bucket and the coyote would come in to inspect the area and find the set. He claims this works very well on dominant males as they are less intimidated by the "Novel Object".

I did most of this from memory so forgive me if I misquoted something.

Don

[bobwendt]

it`s easier for me to just go make a dirt hole on a track/turd, field corner , known area they frequent,etc and go get the coyotes the next morning.

[foxcatcher1]

Thats just what I was thinking. I will smetimes put in alittle extra time and make a urine pos set and catch a few.

Don

[bobwendt]

I figure they have feet, and like rallys says, you(they) gotta eat. so the feet move every night. and if they sprout wings and hover craft around without using their feet, well, we can snare them on the landing strips next to the hog farm. I`ve caught too many old toothless coyotes to get too excited about buckets and cones and alphas etc. they are just dumb animals and sometimes I think we work harder at making an easy job hard than we do at just doing the trapping itself.

[foxcatcher1]

I agree. The coyote in my avatar is the oldest, grayest most toothless coyote I can remember catching. I took several pictures of him because he was so old and gnarly. But did he bring more for fur.....nope same as the rest...$2. Just kidding.

Thats funny about the landing strip. Man do I love to trap hog farms. They are a god send. A guy can really pile up the coyotes on one bone yard.

Don

[bobwendt]

I always get a free hog from my best hog farmer too. makes trapping them a little more worth it.

[wheelie]

Kinda shoots in the foot putting out a bail of stray or a burnt block for eye appeal, even cow skulls imported in would be un-touched as the sub-coyotes would be afriad of it..., they have been know to be affraid of their own shadow, farmers peeing in fields and also anything rusty ...

[trappincoyotes39]

Bob that is it in a nutshell, he makes a comment on how the coyote will circle the covered trap with buckets, if he is willing to circle a white bucket make 1-2 sets that look natural and low odor types and you'll nail him there!
To take the time on a sheep kill to "stage" the area seems a little far fetched to me and how would you answer the rancher? What are you doing with them white buckets over your traps? Ah conditioning those coyotes for a few days to then catch them sir. LOL
If he would learn to call/snare those coyotes he would be better off on sheep kills to boot!

[Stef]

I always get a free hog from my best hog farmer too. makes trapping them a little more worth it.

Must be an American way of making people/trapper happy...LoL

I trap a fair number of coyotes on hog farms each season and I was asked before if I would like to get a pig but my farmers always want some $ for their pigs.
Maybe our yotes worth more than yours Bob...LoL


Stef

[SteveCraig]

I understand the principle he is trying to use, as I have used it on many occasions when calling coyotes. Many, many times when calling around feed lots, hog operations etc., you can take a calling position, call for 15 to 20 minutes, and then get up and leave if nothing came in. Just drive off out of site to a high place within shooting distance, and sit and wait a few minutes. about 50% of the time, you will catch a couple of coyotes sneaking in to your calling stand to check out why you were there. This is usually in hard called areas, but it does work in the right situations. They cant help themselves. They have to check out the location. Now coyotes that are not hard pressed by calling, will just come on in to the stand while you are there calling.
But as others have said, when trapping, just catch him where he is. No need for the bucket thing.

[bobwendt]

One(ONE)!) of the biggest changes in my trapping methods I learned from a gov`t trapper several years back, craig akers, now a wyoming state supervisor. when I found a coyote den I was setting the sheep trails up or down from the den 1/2 mile or so, after dinking at the den. craig told me nope, go set set on the highest spot with in sight of the den, for the adults, not the trail coming in. he says they know you were at the den whether you set it, gassed it or just went and verified it was active. there instinct , or what they will do, is circle from a far as they know you were there and messed with it. they want to scent and see both before coming in, and may not ever come in. in fact may abandon den and pups even if they are hard presssed, like in sheep country. I`m talking old coyotes that may have lost litters many years ina row but saved their own selves by abandoning thge den. since switching to his method, my take of adults at dens, hard adults now I`m talking, has increased many fold. don`t think those g boys don`t know quite a bit that the average fur trapper hasn`t a clue on. it`s like anything else, you specialise insummer work and you learn stuff the average guy would nevber know or even have a reason to know. gmen are like any other segment of the population, some are not too sharp, but most could put the average convention groupie peddler fur pro types to shame, make them look like spring pups. the great trappers stay with w.s. and move up, the lessers stay at the bottom or wash out. and craig is onweof the unknown unsung greats. and I imagine that fits his personality just great. he is into dead coyotes, not selling stuff or dinking around on computer sites.

[wheelie]

I had a coyote mess with my set for 2 days straight towards the end of a line I was on (you know dig from the back, turd next to trap)......that was after 3-4 were caught from that location.

What did I do?

I pulled up and left :0


No secret, behind the back set or set the trail coming in, or leave the trap half exposed aND ANOTHER BEHIND IT TYPE STUFF...

Just pulled up and left, set new ground and was in a fresh batch of yotes again...that is how to keep catch numbers up....messing with one wise coyote doesn't make good business sense when your after volume....

I'm sure this doesn't not apply to g-men or sheep killin yotes that a guy is after, but does apply to the coyote trapper that is going after volume and has basically enough ground to cover making moves to fresh ground 7-10 days...

that is why all this hooplaaa about getting this or that yote first, a white bucket etc. doesn't compute in my thinking....
I feel it is getting way over analyzed...maybe to make ones self look brilliant? Master Coyote Man?

I can talk all day about how a coyote may think, or why he won't commit, etc., but the Trapper that works the hardest is gonna get the yotes, ones that don't work hard will be using buckets

I've heard bob say many time......"a coyote has never been to the moon"

[bobwendt]

almost direct quote, " a coyote has never been able to build a rocket to the moon, humans have" . and red fox get lost on the way home every night ,on account of so dumb. I`m about half convinced they don`t migrate, they just get lost.