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Post by musher on Apr 5, 2007 4:53:20 GMT -6
If you use single ferrules, simply bending the wire prior to the ferrule aat a 90 degree angle takes direct pressure away from the sensative spot.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 5, 2007 6:59:14 GMT -6
Robert never had one fail after switching to the bigger 5/64th size and that is with leg caught deer and quite a few coyotes, they all broke at the 290 lb BAD. Truth be known I also had a couple neck caught deer and again no failure at the swiveld end what so ever.
You can see the cable being flat end on on each end and I'm sure the grip inside is good as well. Hammer on threaded nuts too much and then your cutting cable strands making it weaker.
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Post by robertw on Apr 5, 2007 7:08:04 GMT -6
TC;"Hammer on threaded nuts too much and then your cutting cable strands making it weaker." That is why you use an "annealed" nut, they are softened and have no "temper" so that the threads do not cut the cable.
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Post by robertw on Apr 5, 2007 7:11:51 GMT -6
Bryan;"I went to double ferrules or 2 single stops instead, and didn't notice anymore problems"
Yes, you can use two ferrules and be fairly safe, if.....They are not spaced apart from each other, they need to be touching when crimped or smashed on so that BOTH ferrules are absorbing the load.
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Post by robertw on Apr 5, 2007 7:14:31 GMT -6
The thing that I ran into with using two ferrules was that I just didn't like that much stuff extending into my swivel body. Granted alot of times it does not matter but...Sometimes it did, especially on those wet nights in grassy areas in the early fall where the grass was still pretty tough.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 5, 2007 9:45:09 GMT -6
Ive been running 3/32 single stops on 1/16 cable for years w/o any problems, more meat in the ferrul to bite into the cable. I crimp down in the 3/32 notch of swaging tool, then finish off with hammer. Also found a no 6 or 8 nut works better for a swivel washer than the thin washers usually used.
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Post by JWarren on Apr 5, 2007 10:28:46 GMT -6
TC;"Hammer on threaded nuts too much and then your cutting cable strands making it weaker." That is why you use an "annealed" nut, they are softened and have no "temper" so that the threads do not cut the cable. Thanks Robert, I've been in circles with people over that issue and I think it is mainly due to them using the wrong nuts.
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Post by Rally Hess on Apr 6, 2007 8:16:10 GMT -6
When pounding on either annealed nuts or double ferrules on the swivel end of snares, beware. If the washer between the nut and inside of swivel is larger than the washer it will cause binding and defeat the swivel. This can be avoided by using a larger washer or evn two so when the cable moves from side to side it can not touch the swivel. I have much better results with inline swivels that are off the ground. RobertW, Dipping a stop into hot lead to solder it, can cause wicking of the cable lubricant, may cause a actual gas bubble inside the cable, and also minor tempering of the galvanized cable, making it brittle at the compression. Dipping the cable in a bonding agent, like Loctite 242, before adding the stop causes no tempering and aids in bonding the inside stranding of the cable. Also avoids chance of getting burns from spattering lead.
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Post by robertw on Apr 6, 2007 8:28:08 GMT -6
Rally, Haven't experienced any significant splattering with the lead but...I don't use it often, and the potential certainly does exist.
Certainly appreciate the tip about using the loctite! I had not thought of that.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 6, 2007 8:33:25 GMT -6
not saying it would matter at all- but locktite has quite a distintive smell.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 6, 2007 8:51:16 GMT -6
Loctite 242 is that red or blue or maybe green.
Hows going Rally.
This weather sucks. I'm going fishing.
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Post by Corey on Apr 6, 2007 9:28:01 GMT -6
242 is the medium strength stuff....I can't see the color of it, its in a white bottle....the high strength loctite is red, and the lower strength stuff is blue or green....at least the kind I sell are those colors.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 6, 2007 11:14:17 GMT -6
probibly the curing agent you smell in it Tman, goes away after drying
271 is red, strongest threadlocker 242 is blue, removable threadlocker they have a cylindrical bushing locker that is green, strongest of all, need to melt with torch to undo 290 is a thin wicking threadlocker, penitrates assembled fasteners, thats what I'd use and apply after crimp at ends of ferruls.
all I have seen come in a red bottle.
they also have some new wax type sticks you just wipe on what you want bonded, a nice no mess application.
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Post by Rally Hess on Apr 7, 2007 7:34:39 GMT -6
RobertW, The spatter comes when a guy tries to dip a piece of cable that has too much moisture in it, or so I'm told:) Steven49, The fishing sounds good to me. We are suppose to have this weather for another 8 days or so. I had my motorcycles out 10 days ago, riding in 69 degree weather. It doesn't sound like spring beaver will pay the gas. Locals are paying $8-12. They are worth more in the woods to me. Going to the Texas convention on the 18th. Catch a walleye for me. Trapnman, Like Rich mentioned the odor should dissapate when it dries. Rich, I think I gave the wrong number. I used the red loctite on my winch cable and I believe it was 272. I use 242 on gun screws. There is also an industrial adhesive made specifically for galvanized metals too. It is applied with heat applied to the metal, not sure of the manufacturer.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 7, 2007 8:12:27 GMT -6
There is a million new adhesives out there these days. Prolly got some that are stonger than welding dont they? LOL
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Post by Rally Hess on Apr 8, 2007 10:31:15 GMT -6
Rich, The way it was explained to me is that to use a bonding agent on cable it would have to completely penetrate the galvanization to be equal to cable strength. Since it is just a coating it could slip off, being weaker than the actual steel. Way over my head the explanations of chemical bonding, but their are people out there who do. I have a friend that does stainless and plating custom work who is a wealth of information. My main reason for inquiring was to find a better way to reach full cable strength on 1x19 with aluminum stops. Now they want "Cable Restsraints" that let them go. Go figure.
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Post by musher on Apr 8, 2007 11:37:14 GMT -6
I don't want any snares breaking BUT ,if one is going to break, I'd rather that the end ferral pops off. That way there is less of a chance of wire staying on the animal.
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Post by Rally Hess on Apr 9, 2007 9:15:11 GMT -6
Musher, That's part of the reason for Break Away systems. Nothing worse Public relations like a deer being shot by a deer hunter that is wearing a snare unless it would be a cow headed back to the barn wearing one. Makes for unfavorable conversation at the local cafe.
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