snaring question- 3/64 cable

[Steve Gappa]

just had a guy call me with a couple of questions o nsnaring-

since I don't have a clue, I told him I'd ask here...

1) do they make a stretched out, stronger type of 3/64 cable- if so, whats it called and where do you get it?

2) would you recommend copper ferrules rather than aluminum on 3/64?

thanks!

[Corey]

Bristleback knows quite a bit about this subject Steve, if he doesn't see this send him a pm, i'm sure he'd know the answers for your buddy.

[Stef]

3/64 can be found can be found in 1X19 - 7x7 - 1x7

2) would you recommend copper ferrules rather than aluminum on 3/64?

Only on Stainless cable (copper)

[Bristleback]

Steve, what is your buddy targeting?
I've been the copper route and now simply use aluminum.

[trappnman]

coyotes-

something about the copper getting better grip?


do they make some kind of cable that is stretched- so still technically 3/64....its a smaller diameter?

[Bristleback]

do they make some kind of cable that is stretched- so still technically 3/64....its a smaller diameter?........ Steve, I don't know,never heard of it referred to as stretched.... Rally is an exceptional source of information on cable.

I think I've heard of folks talking about copper being softer, the cable stirations will actually embed in the copper better than alum, but I've not had a problem terminating with aluminum.

[ChrisM]

Why in the world would anyone want to use 3/64 cable on coyotes?

[Freak( Jim V.)]

I think he is probably talking about 3/32 swaged down to 5/64th from the sounds of it.Lighter diameter but stronger then regular 5/64.

[Woodsmoke]

I would say that Freak is right - 3/32 swaged to 5/64.

Newt Sterling sells it, don't know who else.

I think I just read in Fur Taker that Scott Phillips uses 3/64 cable for coyotes, but I could be wrong.

[trappnman]

would say that Freak is right - 3/32 swaged to 5/64.

yes, yes- that exactly what I meant Jim. So should you use copper ferrules on that?

Chris- with 1 X16, he was getting too many misses- he snared 60 some this year in MN. He had no chewouts on the 1/16 and stingers, and thought he'd heard about that other cable and he thought he wanted to try it.

any thoughts on its use?

[Freak( Jim V.)]

Use a double ferrule as a stop on 1 x 19 , Dont need copper that I seen. Not real experienced but have been around some very experienced snare men and I always ask questions. I aint shy. LOL And the double ferrule was one of thwe first I was taught on snare making.Especially with the lighter cable. Was told that single stops can and sometimes will slip on small diamter 1 x 19 , but 5/64th is actually a bit bigger than 3/64th, actually quite a bit. 3/64th , then 1/16th , 5/64th , 3/32 , and 1/8th. As far as I know onlt the 1/16th is available in stainless , and only the 5/64th is available in swaged. A 1/16 th cable swaged down the 3/64th would be tits for cats and coyotes on a long leash I would think , but stops would definitely be an issue then.

[thorsmightyhammer]

Chris- with 1 X16, he was getting too many misses- he snared 60 some this year in MN.

With a ten inch loop eight inches off the ground?

What are his misses from? Refusals?

[ChrisM]

I guess I'm still not real clear on what you're talking, but IF you are speaking of 3/32 swaged down to 5/64.... yes, I have used it.

Back several years ago when trying to perfect leg snaring. Thought leg snares would be the ticket in the open pastures with low vegatation during spring denning. That cable was stainless. I got it from Keith Gregerson and it was pretty spendy. I tried it because the loss to chewing was far to high with leg caught coyotes in galvenized cable. The swaged cable did greatly reduce chewing, but I gave it up for other reasons.

I don't know if they make one thats swaged down to 3/64 or not. Personally, if I was missing coyotes with 1/16th, regardless if due to advoidance or "missing" I'd be taking a good look at my location choice and setting methods rather than going to smaller cable. I know it fashionable but the answer to snaring problems is not always smaller cable!

I do know some who have used some 3/64 galv. for cats. They tell me that even with kill springs the coyotes are gone! However, having said that, based on my experience with the swaged cable I do believe swaged 3/64 would be more chew resistent than galv. 1/16.

[trappnman]

good info-

steven- yes, refusals.

[thorsmightyhammer]

steven- yes, refusals.


Allright...because if it would have been misses cable diameter wouldnt have been the culprit.

I've never used 3/64 for snaring but havent heard anything good about.

I bought some from rally one time and he was trying to talk me out of it until I told him what I was going to use it for... Making quik strike rigs for norterns with tip ups.

3/32 swaged down to 5/64 wouldnt be any better I would assume for refusals. Its bigger cable.

I would go with Chris and look at my locations and set up.

If he is following the law to a "t" it would be his biggest drawback.

[cowman]

I think newt said the 5/64 swaged stainless cable is no longer available, anywhere.

[JWarren]

3/64 would not hold a coyote sized loop very well

[Woodsmoke]

I would tend to agree JWarren.

There are times when I am unhappy with 1/16 holding a coyote size loop. I don't think I'd want to go any lighter - the swaged cable I have seen has been stiffer than the corresponding sized regular cable, so that might help some. I have never seen 3/64 swaged cable though, so we might be talking about something that doesn't exist.

[JWarren]

If and when you body catch one in 3/64 you might as well throw it away, probably wouldn't have to worry about it because coyote likely wouldn't be there.

[musher]

I've had bad luck with fox and 3/64 (both 1x19 and 7x7). They chew through it in a hurry.