FN Scent Business

[trappnman]

never have, knock on wood- but seems like every year, I think a skunk is dead, and pick it up just a tad too soon.

[braveheart]

Talking about lure.I always wonder how these guys are making all this lure and going to all these conventions every few weeks keep up on making things like making lure tinsuring stuff and bottling stuff as well.As I said if weather gets hot you have to work that lure daily to avoid a burn spot or killing the bacteria.I always ask some of them their views on yeasting and I get that deer in the head lights look.

[trappincoyotes39]

Marty that is why I like your stuff you make a quality product that stays consistent. That is getting harder to find all the time with everyone selling out to someone else. Very few lure makers I really trust anymore just a few.

[braveheart]

Thanks!! I went by your old trapping area when I was out to the Western NTA.I could really see how a person would like to stay out in that area.

[cameron1976]

May 24, 2016 5:19:16 GMT -6 braveheart said:

Talking about lure.I always wonder how these guys are making all this lure and going to all these conventions every few weeks keep up on making things like making lure tinsuring stuff and bottling stuff as well.As I said if weather gets hot you have to work that lure daily to avoid a burn spot or killing the bacteria.I always ask some of them their views on yeasting and I get that deer in the head lights look.

It seemingly never fails, the price of fur goes up and new lure makers come out of the woodwork. It's always interesting to look back through copies of the old Trapper magazine from the 80's to see some of the guys selling lure back then. Look at the same magazine in the early 90's. Most of those fur boom lure makers were long gone.

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Here are a couple of quotes about lure ingredient volitility.  The 1st is from a noted lure manufacturer and the 2nd from a very well recognized canine trapper.


"I have a problem with my XXXXXX Call losing its skunky odor over time. The volatility of skunk essence is such that it can't be stopped from escaping from a lure bottle. It goes through the seal under the lid. Wax and tape are ineffective at stopping it from escaping.

I've thought about putting a sticker on this lure saying that its best used before such and such a date. Then also putting a blurb to the effect of, "If used after expiration date add one drop of skunk essence per ounce of lure to bring it back to original smell."

I have one fella who buys XXXXXXX  XXXXXXX one year in advance of using it. He says that after one year, the skunk smell is reduced to a level that he likes."




"1 word of advice... in all the lures containing skunk essence (lot or not) it is always a good thing to refresh old stock especially opened bottles from a year or more with new fresh stock. it is hard to keep volatile stuff in bottles. we don't need to add lot of fresh stock... let say 10% is plenty and best thing is to use that mixed bottle (new/old) at the beginning of the season. OG used to recommend the same thing with his Powder river bait"

[trappnman]

While I agree that essence dissipates over time, I tend to wonder if a lure loses its punch over time in regards to skunk essence, about the formulation of the lure. I've got lures that are 50, 60 years old, and still smell like what they offer be it either glands or skunk. Is it slightly less that orgin? maybe...but does that matter.

lets look at it another way- if skunk loses its essence so quickly- where is the "fresh" stuff coming from? By the time a lure maker gets it- it could have been collected over multiple years (and probably was), stored in multiple ways, etc-

and 1-3 years in the making.....if it dissipitated that rapidly, it would be all but worthless by sale time- esp after being bottled, sitting in the makers inventory, then going to the middleman's inventory, etc....

I think the key is good ingredients, and knowing how to stabilize the scent.

If I bought a skunk lure, and after a year or so I need to add "fresh" to restore it- I wouldn't be using it again.

[trappnman]

Been thinking about this.

its common for some lures to separate, but not others.

so is the skunk essence in some lures, simply added, and not "combined" so to speak? that you don't have a chemical reaction that merges if you will 2 things- but more of an oil and water thing going on?

It would seem to me, that if an odor like skunk, one of the longest lasting scents out there, would dissipatethat freely from lures- ten what about all the other stuff in there- are they just inert matter, or do they contribute to the lure? and by that I mean "changing" the lure, by melding ingredients. not just adding something.

does that make sense?

[redsnow]

I don't know? I figure there are lures on the market, identical lures, except for the amount of skunk. Lure A might be regular, and lure B might have double the skunk juice.

Skunk juice will float on water, it'll skim across, about like splashing a couple drops of gas in a mud hole. I don't remember ever seeing it on still water, not sure how long it'd last?

Seems to me, if skunk would be added in the early stages of making a lure, the base would need to be thick or you'd need some way to stabilize it. Or the top and bottom of that batch would be different, skunk wise.

Who knows? I guess it'd be about like adding a spoon full of corn starch to a batch of soup, to make it thicken up.

[braveheart]

If you put a lot of skunk into a lure at first it is so volatile it will blow out of the jar. You will lose some bang.

[jim]

Marty: Are you going to any Michigan convention?

Jim

[trappnman]

don't know if you get up north that far, but I'll have all of Marty's stuff at the UP convention in July.

[jim]

I need a couple gallons of good coyote urine so I will check and see if I can make it.

Jim

[braveheart]

I will be at the NTA only to deliver some orders. I am getting filled up pretty fast.I was going to take the car but I think the truck is going to have to go.Steve carries pretty much all of my product line.I do now carry the Genuine logwood crystal it is Night and Day from the powder stuff.

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[braveheart]

That was first in brown and 1 black powder and the other is in a small amount logwood crystal in cold water and in just one day.

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Well by golly Marty, that's great and I'm sure when the word gets out you have this product, you'll increase your business.  I also appreciate a business person who is proactive enough to see and act when there is a need for a particular product.

[jim]

Steve! I plan on being at Escanaba Friday morning July 15. Want to get two one gallon jugs of coyote urine. See you then.

Jim

[trappnman]

I'll have them for you- and if there is any of martys stuff you want, let me know i'll be ordering from him tomorrow

[jim]

I may get some of Martys lures and baits plus his coyote urine.

Jim