FN Scent Business

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May 9, 2016 6:33:10 GMT -6 trappnman said:

Re flats sets: many years ago, my old buddy Wiley E made me really reassess how I made flat sets. I was in a period where I was enamored by flat sets, and not only flat sets, but as subtle a flat set as I could possibly make, even to the point of hiding the wobble holes I used for lure. I was describing this to Scott, and was saying how it seemed I was getting more digging at the set, but not getting the coyote-

and Wiley said in his opinion, coyotes dug more (randomly or rather in a broad pattern) if they couldn't see any origin of the odors.

which made sense when I thought about it- if the coyote can't pinpoint where the odor is coming from, he is going to be a little more cautious and dig at the edges, etc-

so yes digging at a flat set can indeed be more of a problem than in a hole set-

Some years ago you told that little story and I immediately understood the principle Wiley was talking about.  I hadn't been hiding my little holes per-say but I thought I could improve on them by adding a small visual.  I started using the same drill for making the holes as I was using for my test holes.  Depending on how deep I drilled of course governed how much fresh dirt piled up around the holes making for a little "bright spot" of dirt vaguely resembling a crawfish hole.  I can't say the new style holes caught me more coyote then the old punch holes but I know it gave them focus which I believe upped the odds.

[RdFx]

never, subtle but commands yotes attention

[braveheart]

I have found for me several Grab stick and proper trenching catch more coyotes at all times. And I can make them a lot faster.I will put a dirt hole in from time to time to mix things up.

[trappnman]

can somewhat visualize what you are saying, but a little more detail would help.

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May 10, 2016 6:45:17 GMT -6 trappnman said:

can somewhat visualize what you are saying, but a little more detail would help.

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[braveheart]

I will have to dig up some pics. of some sets.

[cameron1976]

Speaking of lures and consistency I always cringe when I hear about a good lure line being sold off. Often things just aren't the same. Given the age of many of the big name lure makers in the game, the sad reality is many of their lure lines will either be gone or in someone else's hands in the next decade or two.

[braveheart]

I do know what I have and Nelson and Hansen and my own formula.Are all going to be destroyed never to be sold .I have told my wife and kids haul in a dumpster and get rid of it and burn the formula's. A person can sorta make something but there is a lot of other things that go with bait and lure making. Just like all the connections to get REAL good glands and bobcat meat and ingredients and tinsure your own product and get good urine.It is a lot of planning years ahead. I just don't see how a person could buy a line and start producing it right away.I was lucky to be in the right spot at the right time .

[trappnman]

Sweet Jesus Marty.....your wife has my number....

But I understand what you mean. Its not only the ingredients, but the nuances of the craft-

I understand and have no problem in subtle changes in a lure- that's going to happen and I don't see any way to prevent that- different glands, different collection times etc all play a factor.

and I don't think the subtle changes matter, in fact on established lines it might be a bonus- but I do expect, and I'll say the lures I use regularly year after year qualify- that the very core of a lure, the distinctive scent of the lure, must remain unchanged.

Seldom makes a point on that- if I buy a lure advertised as skunky- then I want to see the skunk coming out of the bottle.

[RdFx]

Just wonder now with Asa Lenon selling his lure line to PCS. We will see as ive been a dlr for Lenons for very long time. I will see after this yr as i know Asa didnt have a stock of lures to go with sale.

[redsnow]

I understand what you're getting at, but I don't think I'd throw a good formula in the fire.

Remember several years ago a lure business changed hands. A good established lure, that had a good name. It's almost like when we had .38 Special ammo, and then you could buy .38 Special ammo Plus P.

Not going to step on any toes, but who is going to buy the regular stuff, when you can buy better stuff? Nobody!

Reminds me of a business deal over in the next county. I knew everyone involved, one guy had a little country store, he had a good business, the old store needed some work, well, a lot of work. The equipment was old, parking lot needed some work, and he had a problem with an underground fuel tank. Overall, it was going to cost some serious money to get things up and going, up to state specs.

So the ole guy put the place up for sale, it took a while, but finally sold the joint. What's he do? He bought 4 or 5 acres down the road, maybe 500 yards away from the old store, and builds another store. A new store. Nice and clean, bigger, all new equipment, better location, etc. Well as I remember it was about 6 months, after he'd opened the new store and he'd ran the old store outta business.

Just bad management for the folks that bought the old store, that should have been their contract, the the Ole guy couldn't start another business to compete with them for 5 or 10 years.

Nothing illegal or anything like that, but in my opinion the Ole Guy gave the new folks the shaft! I'll tell you one thing, the folks over on that side of the mountain didn't like the way things worked out.

[musher]

May 14, 2016 6:57:52 GMT -6 trappnman said:

Sweet Jesus Marty.....your wife has my number....

So much for being discrete!

[musher]

May 14, 2016 6:57:52 GMT -6 trappnman said:

Seldom makes a point on that- if I buy a lure advertised as skunky- then I want to see the skunk coming out of the bottle.

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[braveheart]

If something is said to be skunky it should leave no doubt when you pop the lid off of the bottle.My Ldc is skunky enough I thinking on dipping the lid in wax even though it has a rubber gasket on the lid.

[trappnman]

yes, your ldc is very skunky- if I set 1 set, its got it. If I set 2- at least 1 has it

[cameron1976]

May 14, 2016 11:02:59 GMT -6 RdFx said:

Just wonder now with Asa Lenon selling his lure line to PCS. We will see as ive been a dlr for Lenons for very long time. I will see after this yr as i know Asa didnt have a stock of lures to go with sale.

The last couple of years we have also seen Hawbaker's and Blackie's lure lines change hands as well. I am pretty sure we will see more change hands in the next few years.

I used to like some of Hawbaker's lures, but haven't used any since Edwin sold the business. I know some guys that used to swear by the stuff are now complaining it just isn't the same.

I fully understand there is much that goes into lure making. Simply buying a formula doesn't make one a lure maker. Technique and source of ingredients seem like huge factors in what your end product will be. To me making lure is an art form.

[redsnow]

Let me ask you a question, someone above said something about skunk scent changing over time. I'm not sure? But now does it break down, and smell different?

I know that it will evaporate, some, if not sealed up good. How is the best way to store 100% pure skunk juice?

A few years ago, I was putting down skunks with a syringe, and then extract the juice with a syringe. I kept it in medicine bottles, that I got from the local vet. I'll tell you, it'll eat up that little rubber seal, after a while.

[trappnman]

Without anything but anecdotal evidence, I don't think skunk ever changes over time.

I once had 3 beagles tangle with a skunk rabbit hunting one warm feb day, about 25 miles from home, with no crate and the family car.I washed them over and over in snow, let them hunt through grass etc to at least get some off- and that car smelled like skunk ever rainy day from then on, for years.

and that is because it was protected from the elements I'd guess.

yet at the same time, it must be extremely able to be wicked off by wind and air currents, because a set that is overwhelmed by skunk, has hardly a whiff a few days later.

for whatever reason, I like the smell of skunk. can't see why it makes people gag.

[RdFx]

Yeppers on the smell of skunk, in early fall when you smell skunk yr mind goes to laying out bracelets and necklaces!

[redsnow]

I like the smell of a good skunk too. You know, years ago, I had one that didn't smell right. It had just a rotten, nasty smell. I have no idea why, but it wasn't just a regular skunk smell.

Have any of you guys ever tasted skunk juice? I never have on purpose, but I have! It's got like a sweet taste. Tell you what happened, Dad's, Little Joe (coon hound) treed a skunk in the sheep shed one night. Little Joe was pretty timid, as far as jumping on something when he was alone, but when he had backup, he was savage!

I cut around the corner with my flashlight and rifle, just a split second before the dog nailed it. I didn't have time to blink or yell at the dog! But it does have a kind of sweet taste. Now, don't do this at home!