Midwest coyotes

[bogio]

TC,

Yes, it is in the wording. I'm finding it to be contradictory. It is the use of the spot and travelways together that is confusing me. Here is what I see in my mind's eye.

You and Tman are running a coyote line together. You find a killer location, we'll keep it simple, a long continuous fence crossing the field road you are on. You both agree that this intersection has it all, it is THE SPOT. Tman says I'm setting right on the spot and hammers in a set on each side of the road knowing that since this is the spot he is going to double everyday. You say I'm setting the travelways leading to the spot and hike up the road aways then up the fence lines aways putting in sets that you too are confident will be full everyday. Now to me, your sets are no longer on THE SPOT and as such lose the benefits that seem to be had by setting DIRECTLY ON THE SPOT.

My take is that THAT is what Tman and 1080 are emphasizing. Finding that spot and setting smack dab on it. I understand you to want to set away from and leading to it.

Am I just being thick and chewy?

[trappincoyotes39]

yep thick and chewy!

[bogio]

Well, the short bus just dropped me off and I got my helmet put on the shelf.

Reread through a good share of all this. I understand about travelways, funnels, filters, habitat, preybase, season of the year, social status, snaring, calling, big deer, spokes, hubs, where they are going, why they are going, when they are going. I get that all of that figures into the where you set. I get that. I repeat, I get all of that. All I want to know is,

Do you set on the spot or away from it?

[trappincoyotes39]

Bogio the "spot" isn't static can change or be changed some what. I have spots, I can move coyotes to some degree to make the spot even better for me and my equipment!

Say I put a Draw station on the way in now has the spot changed somewhat or stayed the same? Could be better if I use the draw station on the spot, but is it condusive to my tools and a few other factors. Or deep snow no traps but snares now I move the spot by using a draw station where I have advantage with my snares. I have done this and works great!

I'm sure not setting all my snares right on the spot ie the bait station in the location that brings the majority to me or I may burn out the SPOT sooner rather than later.

So I guess the answer is yes and NO

[trappnman]

no, "the spot" is not static, but it needs to be stable for at least the current time period.

that somewhere, on overlapping ranges ensuring multiple coyotes and groups, there will be a location(s) that will be far more productive IN THE SHORT TERM than travelways, spoke type locations

would you consider the above true?

[trappincoyotes39]

You should be looking for those spots always anyhow Tman if your going to maximize catch for time/ effort.

[bogio]

Let's take snares and calling out of the equation.

Traps only.

I know there are times other tools might work better.

Traps only.

I know that there may be some animals that cannot be taken with traps.

Traps only.

Fur trapping in fall/winter.

Traps only.

[trappnman]

You should be looking for those spots always anyhow Tman if your going to maximize catch for time/ effort.
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then why all your posts, stating the opposite?

because your previous posts, suggest that you don't care if its "the spot", you'll set the travelways?

[trappincoyotes39]

Ok guys how do the coyotes get to the "spot", your both being way,way to literial!!!!!

The Mian point on the travel way is to show even from an aerial map at times where that spot is. You don't need to always be on foot for the spot, it can reconfirm things but at good topo map and showing other detail is handy! Google earth can teach you alot from the comfort of your home and then key in on those areas it shows and look.

Locate these spots to tell you what you have out there for coyotes and narrow it down.

Do what you will and I'll do what I do.

Fair enough?

[trappincoyotes39]

Bogio yes set directly on that spot and don't waiver more than 5 ft.

I think this is the answer your looking for?

[trappnman]

yes- do what you do and I'll do what I do-


it IS literal-

travelling coyotes are travelling- and all that implies
stalled coyotes aren't- and all that implies.

and both, based on research and observations at set sites, implies a great deal.
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I'm getting the distinct impression, that you see no difference in coyote behavior when travelling, and when they stall out? Am I correct in this?

and if I'm incorrect- then what do you think the difference in behavior could be?

time to fish or cut bait here....................

and please keep in mind, I can find and locate travelways quite well thank you- I've used thme extensively over the years, and in fact, felt travelways were perhaps the best overall location.

and given weeks and even months, they can be.

but if I've been told it once, I've been told it 100 times- EMPTY TRAPS ARE KILLING ME

and the moral of that is- why the F wait???

go to them- bring the game to their home turf

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maps show you travel ways, corridors and to a degree habitat.

they don't show you stall out locations-

I have a quote on the top of the page- "M. Scott (the Office) "who would have thought the solution to our companies problem would be work?

and that for sure applies here- by time on the ground (or lack of) directly influences my success of knowing "the spot"

[bogio]

Jul 24, 2012 14:35:33 GMT -6 trappincoyotes39 said:

Bogio yes set directly on that spot and don't waiver more than 5 ft.

I think this is the answer your looking for?

Hmmmmm,

Sounds suspiciously like an answer my son would give me when he wishes I would just STFU.

I'll wait to see how you answer Tman as his question is essentially what I've been beating around.

[trappincoyotes39]

I'm getting the distinct impression, that you see no difference in coyote behavior when travelling, and when they stall out? Am I correct in this?

and if I'm incorrect- then what do you think the difference in behavior could be?

Yes you would be incorrect.

Stall outs could be there for various reasons all one needs to know is, it is a stall out and can be made better by the trapper a times.

I also get the concept of the stall out being a place of more comfort for those coyotes and traveling coyotes not as much also depends on where the coyote is traveling as well.

The stall out could be a travel lane as well Tman. For instance a dirt road that comes off a long running draw with tall crp on each side for aways the best place for all coyotes moving through that area to travel. Then the dirt road comes to a high spot and opens up into 3 smaller drainages and a ranch house 3/4 mile away. The stall out is the high spot and is also the travel way. I took a pile of coyotes from this exact spot I'm talking about. So did I set the travelway or the spot? Furthermore did that pile of coyotes really care?

I get the whole idea of setting where multiple groups of coyotes come together, I'm betting long before you did, not a slam just observation by your past postings. I think 1080 has done you a great service in helping you to seek those out, that is a good thing should help you maximize your weekly totals.

You and Bogio take it from here.

[tripleex]

Interesting read. 1st post and an elementary one at that:

How do you know its a stall out spot.

How do you know they feel safe in the spot?

[seldom]

This is not inregard to Tripleex's reply.

Folks that are following this thread, better bring their A-Game to keep up with ALL of the replies which includes some of those that have disappeared !!! . Ya can't be asleep at the wheel on this one! ;D ;D ;D

[trappnman]

a stall out spot is determined by sign on the ground.

feeling safe for me is logical conjecture based on research actions, and by the notion that if coyotes spend a lot of time milling about an area, then they must, to some degree or another, feel safe.

TC- I understood multiple groups early on, during the collaring study where such locations were shown to me by actions of collared coyotes. 1080 told me nothing new there. but he did indeed do me a great service by furthering my understanding of coyote behavior, and giving them what they want, where they want it

I see you are bowing out before addressing differenting behaviors in travelling/stall out coyotes- and since you did state you felt the behaviors WERE different- how so?

so, to sum up- you feel travelling coyotes (generally) and stall out coyotes (generally) have different mindsets and behavior, but you conclude setting traps in each scenario will have the same results?

here is that cow study, for those asking- you need ot type it in-

[trappnman]

for those asking about the cow study-

you have to type it in-

ojs.lib.byu.edu/ojs/index.php/wnan/article/viewFile/1235/1092

[bogio]

Straight up!

[braveheart]

I just got a new coyote or coyotes in my area again.They mark my house by crapping about 50 yrds. each side of my house on the road.

[tripleex]

Bear with me here, I have to read things over and over before things somewhat sink in.

I am a greenhorn at best coyote trapper. My best part time season was 12 coyotes if that tells you anything, but I really would like to maximize my efforts without sounding like a kid in a costume at your door step with an open bag.....

I think I understand a stall out or safe location is determined by what the sign shows me.
I take it I am looking for a location with tracks that are concentrated, multi directional, maybe some turds?
How big of a role does geography play in said location, little, some, depends?

I am also picking up that these locations in areas of overlapping groups are what I really want to try and locate for maximum harvest, correct?

Here is the golden question.

How do you come to the conclusion you are at a stall out, safe location in the middle or on an overlapping boundary? Or am I confused on what I am after?

Is there destinct type of sign you look for?

Trick or treat? LOL