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Post by freepop on Mar 5, 2012 15:41:24 GMT -6
I used the two in tne manner I did partly because I had more fox urine than coyote and I thought I was a novel idea to use the coyote urine at the SPOT. All in all, I believe urine is a fear eliminator and being a normal marking behavior, help to build confidence. I also had it in my head that by creating a "hot spot" of coyote urine would enhance the misting of my sets. What I didn't count on was that I would get remarking because that's not the goal of my set. Those two coyote that marked those two sets and were caught in the 2nd set were both female and caught by a front foot. Just as an example of how someone like myself who keeps pretty darn good records can still be guilty of subjective thinking. I at first thought the hind foot catches were due to a particular lure combo. Nope, records show that not to be the case at all! The only 2 variables I changed was using two types of urine and where at the set they were used! I forgot to mention about the rear foot catches. One location I caught a coyote and I had narrowed down his approach to the hole quite well. I was surprized to see that I had him by the rear foot. Oh well, it was in the trap. Fast forward a couple months, I had the beagles running around in that area. I had pulled some other sets nearby that hadn't caught anything so I wanted to see their reaction. Yep, they walked right up, whiffed, stepped froward and squirted right on the backing/hole area. Looking at their feet, it was obvious how back foot catches happen. |
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Post by seldom on Mar 5, 2012 16:01:30 GMT -6
I used the two in tne manner I did partly because I had more fox urine than coyote and I thought I was a novel idea to use the coyote urine at the SPOT. All in all, I believe urine is a fear eliminator and being a normal marking behavior, help to build confidence. I also had it in my head that by creating a "hot spot" of coyote urine would enhance the misting of my sets. What I didn't count on was that I would get remarking because that's not the goal of my set. Those two coyote that marked those two sets and were caught in the 2nd set were both female and caught by a front foot. Just as an example of how someone like myself who keeps pretty darn good records can still be guilty of subjective thinking. I at first thought the hind foot catches were due to a particular lure combo. Nope, records show that not to be the case at all! The only 2 variables I changed was using two types of urine and where at the set they were used! I forgot to mention about the rear foot catches. One location I caught a coyote and I had narrowed down his approach to the hole quite well. I was surprized to see that I had him by the rear foot. Oh well, it was in the trap. Fast forward a couple months, I had the beagles running around in that area. I had pulled some other sets nearby that hadn't caught anything so I wanted to see their reaction. Yep, they walked right up, whiffed, stepped froward and squirted right on the backing/hole area. Looking at their feet, it was obvious how back foot catches happen. Remember though, that was YOUR set with your construction and scent/urine, not mine and I can just about guarantee that they are very different. |
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Post by freepop on Mar 5, 2012 16:38:06 GMT -6
Yeah, cause you won't show me the secret set, handshake, lure or urine supplier.
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Post by seldom on Mar 5, 2012 17:09:10 GMT -6
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Post by trappnman on Mar 5, 2012 18:54:56 GMT -6
heck, last convention seldom ws selling his hanssake secret for $3..where were you? LOL
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Post by seldom on Mar 5, 2012 19:11:18 GMT -6
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Post by freepop on Mar 6, 2012 7:27:33 GMT -6
He doesn't go to conventions. If he does sneek in, it's in disguise. If he ever does show up, I'd want two of those secret hand shakes  |
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Post by lureshy on Mar 7, 2012 20:19:40 GMT -6
This thread may be winding down, but I was going to say I will be making some dirthole sets with fresh gopher, coyote pee dribble, and fox urine mist,(seriously) ;D
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Post by mick on Sept 26, 2012 7:52:11 GMT -6
if you spray a lot of fox pee, can it be use to freeze proff the set.
or it as to be mixe with glycol
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Post by trappnman on Sept 26, 2012 8:12:22 GMT -6
alone, its not going to give you any freeze proofing. perhaps if you would keep freezing it, pouring off what didn't freeze etc you might get it concentrated enough, but you would then have to soak it down quite heavily to do much good.
I liked using spray stuff, cause its quick and easy, but sadly I found out that its just not a very ewffective antifreeze if it really gets cold.
many things work from 20-32- here is where RV antifreeze works somewhat well, and using glycol does as well. but RV antifreeze stops working in the low 20s, and pure or nearly pure glycol doesn't do much good beyond single digits, and then thats if you really soak and spray the set down well.
so hit and miss is what I've found spray antifreezes to do- good for dips in temps, but not a full blown all temp solution
I much prefer using dry dirt in not wet freeze conditions, and peat in wet freeze conditions. I have used coal shale to a degree, and if it was more available here might use it more, and have not tried waxed dirt, but hear many like it as well.
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Post by mick on Sept 30, 2012 14:28:15 GMT -6
thank you, i will not use it to freeze proof the beding
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Post by exmatador on Sept 30, 2012 19:12:50 GMT -6
What exactly is coal shale? Is it a byproduct of burnt coal?
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Post by trappnman on Oct 1, 2012 8:06:52 GMT -6
no, coal shale is the coal dust and duff from shale type coal- its very dense, and as such provides some weatherproofing and water repellent tendenciesr
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 1, 2012 15:46:57 GMT -6
The waterproofing comes from the petro inside the shale. Shale can come as a fine dust, small particles or larger all depends where you get it and how you work through the shale bank/deposit.
Works great most of the time, waxing the shale is even better.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 1, 2012 18:47:18 GMT -6
what do you mean? I thought the weatherproofing came from it being so dense and tightly packed, that no water could penetrate much
I liked using it, it was weird in that by gosh one could pack a trap SOLID just by covering it
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Post by exmatador on Oct 1, 2012 19:20:55 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I work for a hydro electric company and have a big pile of "cinder" or burnt coal ash we use to plug leaks at the power plants when we lower the head gates to stop the water for inspection. Kinda works like stop leak for radiators. Dirt like consistacy, kinda oily, doesnt freeze as we sometimes use through the winter.
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