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Post by lureshy on Mar 2, 2012 15:02:26 GMT -6
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Post by trappnman on Mar 2, 2012 17:18:34 GMT -6
LOL- my bottle is more liberal. and yes, Its 50/50 wherther a set in mine or hers- She can trap coyotes.
I've just seen the improved results with misting, at both fresh sets and remakes, I'm a believer. I fought it for decades as not being "the thing to do". but as all else on the video, it works for us.
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Post by Stef on Mar 2, 2012 19:16:45 GMT -6
Explain
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Post by trappnman on Mar 2, 2012 19:38:08 GMT -6
I believe urine is a suspicion remover, and not a lure.
Ad that you cannot use too much, and the more you use, the better off you are. I go through a shocking large amount of urine every year.
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Post by RdFx on Mar 2, 2012 19:47:57 GMT -6
yes please extrapolate!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 2, 2012 20:38:23 GMT -6
So went went from urine as an attractant not being "ALL" that and a loaf of bread to large amounts of urine being a suspicion remover? What suspicion is it removing at a fresh set? If it has little to zero attraction?
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Post by BadDog on Mar 2, 2012 20:53:36 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 2, 2012 21:20:40 GMT -6
Marty love the head under the chair LOL
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 2, 2012 22:32:18 GMT -6
I love to use alot of urine also but in lots of places I have to back off to not using any at all the dang deer are terrible and having 4 to 8 sets a day with snapped traps from deer isn't worth the risk in my book.Do any of you have this problem?
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Post by RdFx on Mar 3, 2012 7:11:10 GMT -6
Nah ,dont have that deer-urine problem as i shoot the deer and then use butchered waste as draw stations...lol....
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 3, 2012 8:31:03 GMT -6
Rdfox I have just about the same amount of deer visiting my carcass dumps as I do coyotes and It's more then a few.
I would go with a small squirt just like a dog or any other canine would do. I want to mark a specific spot and use my urine application as guide. I don't want to have the target critter wandering all over the set. And It's my feeling that anything you ADD to a set is to be considered a lure/ attractant.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 8:58:53 GMT -6
So went went from urine as an attractant not being "ALL" that and a loaf of bread to large amounts of urine being a suspicion remover? What suspicion is it removing at a fresh set? If it has little to zero attraction?
first of all- I didn't say coyotes weren't attracted
to urine-
what I did say was that the % of all coyotes, that REMARKED urine deposits, was relatively small based on 100% of the coyote population, and that therefore IMHO a coyote set based on coyotes remarking urine deposits, was a low % set overall
since urine is, based on the studies, a low attractant- why limit yourself to a few drops or in one spot? and if its a low attractant in and of itself, then its not much of a lure, and its only use is thne what?
add coyote smells to the set as what? aren't your lures and baits the attractants? Then the urine, becomes a bonus- and for me, that bonus is best used in a liberal fashion. why not have the whole pattern, area, etc smell like coyote as he becomes aware of it? one other mention in the studies, was that coyotes urinated on both current food catches and old ones- so THEY use it liberally.
but each to their own.
I've gone back and forth and back and forth with urine at a singular spot at a LURED set, and urine all over a LURED set- and the results not only speak for themselves, they SHOUT out the difference.
what anyone else does, is up to them.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 3, 2012 9:07:54 GMT -6
Bait, I use bait some simple formulations some more complex might even be called lure by some, but I use bait at alot of sets, amount varies but I use bait.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 9:21:19 GMT -6
TC- I'll go you one better- I used a gopher, and one of several commercial baits at pretty much every set last 2 years, and will continue doing so. If I could get a whole cow down every hole, I'd do it!
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 9:38:10 GMT -6
Coldsteel- no, don't have the problem enough to worry about- I'm not setting where deer are gong to concentrate- and if I do, I've found that after the first night or so, their curiosity is satisfied, and the tripped traps stop. often, just moving a trap a few yards, eliminates the problem. and perhaps having the urne broadcast, eliminates a focal point for the deer- so instead of walking the pattern, hes just smelling the edges- in any case, of little concern on my line.
different aeas matter- here, a hay set in winter is going to HAVE deer all over it- yet in other areas seems like its not a problem.
I used to just mist remakes, and have had many tell me its wrong, but in the same breath, they tell me remakes aren't a productive set for them. I started misting fresh sets on and off, and as the seaosns went by, that on and off became on almost 100% of the time-
Seldom- I'm going to put you on the spot and ask you about your experiences with urine this past season.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 9:40:28 GMT -6
BadDog- at least one montana wolfer, writes in his book on how he will use a gal of urine to broadcast on 50-60 sets if dirty traps, lots of rain etc. When I read that sevreal years ago, I thought perhaps I wasn't as wrong as the internet made me out to be.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 3, 2012 9:55:33 GMT -6
a whole cow down every hole!!!!! So if your making a dirthole set say 4" wide and 10-12 deep are you packing it plumb full of bait?
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 10:44:49 GMT -6
No, cause I'm too cheap LOL
but I am packing it more than half full. the gopher takes up a lot of space, and on top of that I add a good chunk of prepared bait- I use a half of a paint stirrer, and load it up pretty good.
the one thing I look back on over the past 2 years- is that I am taking more coyotes with less traps. 1080 says take some things as givens, and one I truly do take as a given is you cannot use too much lure or bait. Now I grant you that for specific coyotes, exceptions can occur. But for what I trap- fur during a 5 week period- and moving on after 4-6 checks, the exceptions aren't a concern.
I came to my conclusons of multiples lures, etc many years ago, and its just been reinforced with what I've learned in past few years. I went away from bait for a few years, but can see the increase in results w/bait.
As far as the misting of urine, like I said in the video- thats how I do it, many say I'm wrong and thats fine- I'm not out to change anyone.
the difference in worked sets with singular urine vs misted, is something I take after the years of back and forth, as a given for me and my methods.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 3, 2012 10:47:45 GMT -6
I like to use bait also or just a patch of fur shoved down the hole I think It gives you that added eye appeal. A stripped out oil sac and a patch of beaver hide In the hole works great.
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Post by Stef on Mar 3, 2012 11:16:12 GMT -6
Ok Steve thanks for all the answers but I have another one...
Do you mist spray fresh set with only fox urine or coyote urine?
And a second one....
Do you mist remakes with coyote urine only if you caught coyotes on those sets?
And a third one...
On remakes that caught non target... Are you using coyote urine or fox urine?
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To the poll: how many of you mist or fog the set versus squirt urine in one spot?
