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Post by Stef on Mar 3, 2012 11:23:59 GMT -6
Another two....
On flat set... Mist or not?
Scent post... Mist or not over pattern?
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 11:30:04 GMT -6
I used coyote exclusively until the last few days, when I ran out and used fox.
I mist and remake all sets same as nontarget or coyote
flat sets- yes, mist all over
scent post- don't use them anymore, when I did, I just put a squirt of urine at a singular point.
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Post by Stef on Mar 3, 2012 12:04:46 GMT -6
Coyote trapping in my area...
On remakes, I've found that I have better luck if I don't remake them anymore. Urine or not.
Weird... Maybe but it is like the way it is.
Now, I pull the dirty trap and put in a fresh set close to the catch circle if I can or I just put a new set close by.
In colder weather... I just saw too much saliva, blood and urine frozen on my chain and traps that I can smell coyote mouth saliva on my trap when I bent down making the set.
Fox trapping... I just do the opposite... Shinny dirty traps work until the next catch and a catch circle that smell like foxes... Its awesome!
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Post by seldom on Mar 3, 2012 12:15:12 GMT -6
Seldom- I'm going to put you on the spot and ask you about your experiences with urine this past season. Previous to this last season I would give a real good shot of fox piss at a specific location on my particular set. This season I started misting(heavy) all my sets and I used coyote urine instead of the fox urine for the single spot and fox piss for misting of the set and a general area around the set. My coyote catch of seemed to have been jump-started with immediate doubles and a triple after setting up my first line and a better success rate per trap night than previously continued to the end of the season. An interesting thing was observed by using this combo of urine in this manner. My hind leg coyote catch skyrocketed so that a 1/3 of my coyotes this season at this type of set were caught by the hind leg. This isn't just subjective thought or feelings because I keep darn good records, it's a fact. I can only atribute it to me using the coyote urine in a specific spot and probably a 1/2 ounce, possibly making my lured/baited sets into secondary piss post sets!!!! It was the only single change I made to my sets this year. It had to be the coyote urine and not any of my scents or bait odors because it didn't matter as to any scent being pissed on more that another. Again, records don't lie. What was interesting between catching fox in those sets when I was using the heavier shot of fox piss was that I hardly ever caught a fox by the hind foot nor did I this year with the combo. So that data tells me the coyotes reacted differently to their urine than a fox does it's!! I had two sets where I could actually see a piss-hole and dribbles in the very near vicinity from what I very much believe was a coyote pissing in the spot or near it and my usual guiding for that particular set wasn't quite right to keep them from pissing and not get caught. Dang close but this isn't horseshoes!! The only conclusion I could see was that the coyote came to a lure/baited set and where I'd applied the heavy spot of coyote urine made them want to add theirs. A "lured" piss post so to speak. In both instances though, a coyote was in another trap about 20' away. The soil conditions around these two set locations was such that that sign showed me that in each instance, it was the same coyote(catch in adjacent set) having visited the two sets. I figure no foul, no harm and 2 coyotes is a darn low percentage of the overall. Without question, I certainly will continue to use urine in the similar manner in-combo next season as I did this past with the exception to switch the combo around on some sets and see what happens. |
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Post by seldom on Mar 3, 2012 12:19:27 GMT -6
Coyote trapping in my area...
On remakes, I've found that I have better luck if I don't remake them anymore. Urine or not.
Weird... Maybe but it is like the way it is.
Now, I pull the dirty trap and put in a fresh set close to the catch circle if I can or I just put a new set close by.
In colder weather... I just saw too much saliva, blood and urine frozen on my chain and traps that I can smell coyote mouth saliva on my trap when I bent down making the set.
Fox trapping... I just do the opposite... Shinny dirty traps work until the next catch and a catch circle that smell like foxes... Its awesome! Stef described exactly what I found works best for me with coyotes and red fox remakes. |
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 12:36:42 GMT -6
interesting on the remakes- I didn't keep records- seems like the older I get the fewer things I write down- but I know a larger % of coyotes I took this past year, were in remakes rather than fresh sets. I can think of many instances, where one trap took 2-4 and fresh traps were untouched. I had one location I took 6 from one trap, in a location I left for 10 days or so. and a fox. and one coyote midway through in a set nearby I can think of a bunch that gave me 3-4 in a week, where the other set went untouched.  a set that took 4 in week  4 in a week here as well- and you aren't going to get a more worked up set -note the digigng at right from rear footed coyote  took 7 here in a week- 5 in this set, 2 in another. fresh set added midweek that went untouched  3 where hes standing, one in set closer to me that caught a fox first I've just never had a problem with remakes. my problem is too many unproductive spots! |
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Post by seldom on Mar 3, 2012 12:51:37 GMT -6
interesting on the remakes-
I didn't keep records- seems like the older I get the fewer things I write down- but I know a larger % of coyotes I took this past year, were in remakes rather than fresh sets. I can think of many instances, where one trap took 2-4 and fresh traps were untouched. I had one location I took 6 from one trap, in a location I left for 10 days or so. and a fox. and one coyote midway through in a set nearby
I can think of a bunch that gave me 3-4 in a week, where the other set went untouched.
I'll find a pix of a couple From what I can ascertain by reading sign, my coyotes seem to really dislike the big, bold visual of a catch circle and only partially like a smoothed out one, which would be likened to a remake. So I figure if only 1/2(huge overstatement) want to step into the remade catch circle why would I want to not set to catch every one that came near it. My remake catch circles will some times look like Olympic Rings because as Stef described, my remake is right on the edge or within a foot of the initial catch circle. Many times I'll have another set 20'-30- away and it'll go undisturbed till hell freezes over(exception in previous reply). |
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Post by Stef on Mar 3, 2012 12:56:44 GMT -6
Steve, I remember, in the past... I had some years where I could catch most of the coyotes in one area in remake sets.
And other years... forget it.
Since couple years with limited success on remakes... I stopped remaking them.
Now, I know that in some areas trappers are catching plenty of coyotes in remakes but let see what I've found....
Coyotes here are usually a pack early season. Normally 4-5-6 coyotes.
If I go setting 3-4 traps in a small farm eastern field (no large fields here) and want to catch these coyotes... If i don't catch that "alpha" female on the first catch(es)... forget the success on the remake set(s).
Now, If I go on the same field and set a pair of traps and catch the female alpha... I can bet you anything that the next 2-3 days I'll get all her pups in the same trap I caught her. ( maybe a double too)
The easiest one to catch... Its the big alpha male.. It is usually him that I catch the first and the problem begins after him...LoL at the lure-bait-urine sets.
Trail sets or snares usually get rid of the female alpha where i could not nailed her fast enough.
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Post by seldom on Mar 3, 2012 13:04:42 GMT -6
Going back to that one study that addressed visuals and the difference between homies and transients. Makes me wonder if there's a parallel to those reactions with remakes?
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 3, 2012 14:20:04 GMT -6
Got to agree 100% on using alot of bait.I use lots of deer scrapes as well as beaver meet plus as Beav said use the oil sacks as well as let some castor dry out and use some also mixed it in with beaver liver heart and naturally had a bloody bait with a strong castor smell to it.My results have been much much better with bait.I have kept good records this year and I have done way better on remakes this year with even kicking in fresh sets after a catch.What I don't understand is this maybe its breeding season but out of my last 18 coyotes caught 17 have been males I have to fill out the paper work on the sex of them in VA.My question is do ya'll think the females have started denning up getting ready for the pups or what it seems the females have vanishedl
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 3, 2012 14:44:08 GMT -6
I just asked my wife the same question I asked ya'll she said Tony that is a easy answer to your male to female ratio.The females have got to be so much smarter than the males  |
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 15:20:35 GMT -6
castor and lightly tainted vension scraps, makes a damn good bait for any predator
although I'm really liking gopher- many times in the first week or two last year, we set one set with just gopher, the other with prepared, and the gopher outproduced the prepared baits.
they really have that rodent smell to them esp sitting in a bucket during the day before freezing for use. I couldn;t get am ore natural bait, coyotes are eating them for me all summer.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 15:21:41 GMT -6
Cold Steel- had a few collars to put on one late spring- and figured I catch more males- but to a one, they were wet bitches. I've bene told coincidence more thna anything, and probably right.
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Post by lureshy on Mar 3, 2012 16:28:03 GMT -6
One thing for certain is there are alot of varriables out there. I have thought about going back to misting for years but according to the mainstream,I was all wet. When I was in highschool I caught a ton of fox misting over chloride dirt. I know...... coyotes are alot different, I use a kneeling canvas.waxed dirt.rubber footwear, gloves. ect.. for coyote now, but once in awhile, I have a fox fish off the pan cover.weather it be wax paper or black screen.Coyotes for me usually dont do this for me. I think they just stand back if something is up.The point is,I think alot of canines smell something under the dirt, it just depends on how they process it....Last fall,I made a set with just a turd and a little urine.About a week later, had a nice 2 inch snow blending everything perfectly.Coyote paced back and forth about 8 feet out.Did he smell the trap or does this dovetail with your other topic of urine posts.Yes,I know this is only one example...but interesting.I was heavily leaniing towards Mr. Gappa's method even before I took the poll, I will be misting next fall. Steve had very good article in Trappers World awhile back on running the line after the first couple of snows.But I'll save that for anotherday
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 3, 2012 16:47:26 GMT -6
Another point is I probably don't have the population of coyotes some of you have but I can't seem to double up any.I always set 2 traps at each location and on intersection roads in cutovers set 4 and have done good in cutover paths this season but I have yet to double up and have seen sign where there was one than more coyote on several ocasions when I make a catch I wish I could get more doubles I go in and set a farm up with 8 to 10 sets and it almost always seems that 2 or maybe 3 sets do the work on yotes cats and fox the rest just seem to sit there
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 3, 2012 16:52:03 GMT -6
can't have too much bait but then again is too much really needed at ALL baited sets?
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 17:05:41 GMT -6
lureshy- not my article
I had more doubles, I believe, this year and last as compared to an average year- esp ths year when I'm "guessing" close to 50% of my coyotes, came from doubles.
I'm also guessing thats its because the locations are starting to be more where they should be insofar as THE spot.
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Post by lureshy on Mar 3, 2012 17:44:00 GMT -6
ooops sorry,Fur Taker magazine
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Post by Stef on Mar 3, 2012 19:32:26 GMT -6
Well, that's another subject but I trapped lot of fox using peat moss. And it was working fine with or without a top dress "blending" fall or winter.
And to me... Peat stinks!
Now coyote trapping, when I was using peat early blended, I've seen too many "stand back" to a point that I was suspecting my trap bedding material as the problem.. so I went back to the glycol mix and later waxed dirt and sand and i don't see what I was used to see using peat moss.
My success increased on coyotes using peat when snow and bad weather and freezing begins. Could catch coyotes with straight peat. "Stand back" were a rare thing late.
For fox and peat, I don't see a problem.
Too much bla bla..LoL
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Post by trappnman on Mar 3, 2012 19:57:29 GMT -6
stef- I really think the secret of peat, is to use it like you own a peat field. if its all peat or near enough, the standing back isn't an issue. When I tried to skimp, i had the same problems, which is why I went away from peat
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