urine mist or concentrate for coyote sets

[Wright Brothers]

Natural BAIT?
Possum and nontarg central.

That's what you guys said in the lure salesman days.
Natural gophers/ground hog/venision/beaver vs Asian deer nut sack sweat.
Natural?
Times and ideas change aye? Verwee Intavestink.

You guys are getting some good stuff on here lately, thanks.

I've not seen tracks in snow running away from meat scent, can not say the same of magic in a bottle. But then, that's some how my fault lol.

[Stef]

stef- I really think the secret of peat, is to use it like you own a peat field.

Your secret here won't work with coyotes in the fall.
And I used that stuff a lot.
Yes, using peat catch coyotes in the fall but man, there's something into it that doesn't work well with my coyotes.

Have sets close by with dry dirt, waxed etc... something that doesn't stink like an infested fungi room and it works a lot better than sets made with peat, at least for me!

[trappnman]

you mean with a 4-6 foot pattern of mostly peat, they won't step into that?

[Stef]

I've not seen tracks in snow running away from meat scent, can not say the same of magic in a bottle.

Well, I've seen a fox study made here where a lot of commercial lures and baits and also natural bait were used early in the fall and the big winner was 1 of my lure and its a non meat call lure.

In Snow: large bait are the key (domestic or wild... Almost everything will work) guarded with snares or trail sets - 2nd... Natural scent like glands and urine are the best in my book.

Fall and early winter... a different game!

[Stef]

you mean with a 4-6 foot pattern of mostly peat, they won't step into that?

4ft, sure... 6ft I don't know but I'll try to find old photos of my sets made with peat and I will be back...LoL

Stef

[Stef]

Hard to located but here's one I remember using a lot of peat.



back with more hopefully

[Stef]

Remember, above photo was peat mixed with dry hog manure... was better than straight peat...LoL

[Stef]

Same place as above pic... wasn't peat... trap bedded in waxed sand and manure all over the place.

[Stef]

Steve i have some pictures of sets made with peat with large peat pattern but those pics are old and are probably in a box upstairs somewhere.
Anyway, on this picture, i could remember where it was and what was the set.
It was a huge pattern walkthrough made with peat moss on an inch or two of ice/snow.

I snapped one in it when the heavy snow came.



Anyway, I'm not saying that peat doesn't work.
I will use it this year 700km from home for fox and lynx.
I'll bring some waxed sand with me for couple of scent post sets for wolves.
But the truth is that peat makes me sick trapping coyotes with it and I'm sure that it is a problem using it on my line for coyotes.
And you know how bad my weather can be here... Waxed sand is so better in many points, especially in the trap maintenance department that my time making it in the summer save me $ and time running my coyote traps.

I'm done with this thread, You have my point of view!

[trappnman]

those look big enough- why not try spraying thme next time and see what happens?

I don't use peat until I have to either.

can bed a few sets in powered cow manure every year- like that for sure!

[spring]

Where can I find some info on that study Stef???

[Stef]

Spring, that study I was talking was during trap testing work by the government of Québec on the Anticosti island.
The guys who worked there, i work with him every year for the Raccoon rabies control in South East Québec.
Foxes and Deer there are as thick as fleas on the Island and there's no skunk on the island and lot of other animals are not living on this Island. The foxes there were turned loose 100 years ago, yes in the past, they were ranch fox.
Maybe ¾ of the fox up there are cross fox, a lot of silver too and some red.
To make this long story short... Those guys also went in Spain to train future Spanish wolf trappers and before going there, they picked up the lures that they have the most success with on Wolves and Foxes. (Made in Canada & USA)
On the trapline down there, they saw lot of tracks and before setting the first trap... they were saying to each other... There will be a massacre on the first few checks.
Ouch..... yes they caught some but they reported to me that our lures that me and you are using here in North America don't work as good as here in America.
And i know that mine work also down to Peru.

They thought that the skunk smell in some k-9 lures was a problem but gland lures also which are more natural did not performed like it does here.

But the real problem and/or challenge is that Wild fox like we have here or in Australia or ranch fox in Norway etc... are all the same genetic so why in some places our lures don't work as well as in America?

Back to Anticosti, The fox there never smell skunk, never see one... Like in Spain.
So they tried a lot of different stuff and the best attractor was the Cachottier lure which has a trace of skunk musk as the sulfurous stuff in it.

I was pleased to know that foxes that never see or smell some skunk musk aren't afraid of it. Remember same genetic

If you want his contact info shoot me a PM!

Stef

[spring]

Thanks Stef..

[Stef]

Here a pic of a silver in front of a deer on the Anticosti Island.



And check this link for history:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticosti_Island

[freepop]

Very interesting about the urine Seldom. I was always told that pee was pee and that the animals couldn't discern between fox or coyote.

I bet it was winter meat fed urine too?

[trappnman]

is pee pee?

I've heard, that Thorpe used to fill a bucket with cow urine, and use that- his thought being pee is pee.

is it?

no, of course not.

but is the reason urine is effective as an attractant of sorts, because its COYOTE pee, or because its "just' urine?

What use do we feel the urine is doing for us at a set?

there is a reason, coyotes that do remark, remark at a high rate and that's because the cognitive values in urine, dissipate rather quickly-

so in my opinion is not that coyotes can't tell the difference in coyote urine vs fox- but isn't it more a question of "does it matter?"

Seldom used two urines- as such, there is a difference and they do smell dissimilar- but is that the crux of the question?

[seldom]

I used the two in tne manner I did partly because I had more fox urine than coyote and I thought I was a novel idea to use the coyote urine at the SPOT. All in all, I believe urine is a fear eliminator and being a normal marking behavior, help to build confidence. I also had it in my head that by creating a "hot spot" of coyote urine would enhance the misting of my sets. What I didn't count on was that I would get remarking because that's not the goal of my set.

Those two coyote that marked those two sets and were caught in the 2nd set were both female and caught by a front foot. Just as an example of how someone like myself who keeps pretty darn good records can still be guilty of subjective thinking. I at first thought the hind foot catches were due to a particular lure combo. Nope, records show that not to be the case at all! The only 2 variables I changed was using two types of urine and where at the set they were used!

[dabrock]

i believe misting. watch your dog. does he squert or spray.

[dabrock]

sorry about that.i meant to say i believe squerting

[trappnman]

now quit flip flopping! LOL