coyote market

[thorsmightyhammer]

[trappnman]

TC- no one is saying, that USSA doesn't have the right to set their price for fleshing, at anything they want-

hell, make it $20 to flesh a rat, I don't care.

but what the discussion is about, is the price, compared to the actual work involved.

at a fulltime shop (part time one can make zero comparisons) no matter how you try to make it appear to be "all of that" thus commanding a prices of 47 each, "all of that" is included in their hourly rate-

and I don't care what they consider their hourly rate for shop time- cause even at $150 an hour shop time, which is absurd, to reflect that accurately, rats to flesh should be no MORE than a couple of dollars- AT THAT $150 AN HOUR SHOP RATE

beats me why there is any arguement on this-

its their price- no arguement there
its an option- don't use their services if you disagree- no arguement there

but is it fair- based on ANY common sense or business debate? based on true hourly costs?

hardly-

evne if a rat takes one full minute to flesh- and anyone that has done rats knows thats a joke- at $7 each, thats $420 a hour shop rate.

If you think thats a fair price, and accurately reflects costs then you do.

I don't.

insofar as coyote prices- no ones bold enough to post theirs it seems-

and other work- is covered under the actual TANNING price

[thorsmightyhammer]

Probably nobody has sold any coyotes yet.

My uncle had some early fall ones on the internet auction.

got 70 and 80 bucks for a few.

I'll let you know his overall avg after the feb sale.

the feb auctions are going to determine the true value of coyotes. I'm gonna be there and its gonna be fun.


My arguement isnt that usa foxx is charging too much, its that the beav isnt charging near enough in real world terms. I dont either when I put up fur, but I'm not doing it as a business.

If I did it would be 10 bucks to flesh and stretch a beaver minimum.

[trappnman]

lots of people have sold coyotes-

whats Webkie paying?

[thebeav2]

I'm not sure If part time employees fall under all those overhead costs you mention. And we don't know If they are part time or not but It stands to reason they are.

You should talk how long have you been living off the government tit.

Their put up prices are still a rip off and you know It.

[packerfan]

The fleshing prices are obviously high (because they KNOW they can get it). They figure that if someone wants something tanned, but has no skills or access to skilled fleshers, jack the cost. I have all that "overhead" in my biz as well. Many of my customers are elderly, with no kids/grandkids around to help. I could TRIPLE my prices today and they would still use me. I KNOW that these customers NEED me. To exploite this would be WRONG!
I believe that they could lower that price and STILL make a profit. It's just good biz.

[trappnman]

a lot of it comes down to - do you want the work?

if yes- then you need a competitive price. Steven doesn't want to put up others beaver, thus, to him, if he did, his price would be far over the going market rate. Nothing wrong with that. I do the same on summer beaver and coyote jobs- I don't really want to do it, so if I do, I'm going to be well paid for my time.

Beav wants to do it- so thusly, he needs to charge somewhere around the market value of doing similar work.

My buyer charges $3 mark down, for green beaver pelts vs put up. For me, its not worth $3 to put them up, therefore I sell all my beaver green. If I trapped hundreds, I would reconsider, but since I don't, the time not spent fleshing/stretching beaver, is well worth $3 less per pelt to me.

Take coyotes- around here, the #1 fur that has a huge difference between carcass, and put up insofar as price per pelt. And one of the main reasons, is that local buyers simply don't WANT to dick around with carcass coyotes- so when they do buy them, they are charging a high preimum for putting them up.

[minkman99]

Kopenhagen sale started today.

Ranch mink selling 100% at very high prices.

Selling more north american raccoon.

[thorsmightyhammer]

the reason I dont want to put up beaver is because the "market" rate is well below living wages.

Most people get 5 bucks to flesh and board a beaver.

It would take me two hours to flesh, stretch, board and take out nails.

thats twenty five bucks an hour gross. beyond chump change.

I dont have a clue what weibke's are paying for coyotes.

I sold them 30 some last spring for 28 dollars and change and everyone was shot and a couple should have been 1080'd(tossed in the ditch). I know the yote market is at least ten bucks higher right now.

[musher]

If I could get someone to prepare green beaver for $3-5 bucks I'd catch way more beaver.

[lumberjack]

Lets take this one step further they are probably gouging us tanning the fur lets all tan our own.
I think new vehicle prices are absurd, I buy used ones.
If other people are paying that for vehicles thats alright by me. Aparrently the price doesnt bother them.
Oil refineries had to be paid off decades ago why is gas so high/

[bblwi]

Three years ago I was going to send up 9 of my better rats to have a hat made. The cost was going to be $159 plus my 9 pelts.

I visited another furrier that I new and also supported our WTA. he could sell me that day a muskrat hat just like the one I was going to have made for $129.00. I could save over $80 and wear the hat home! Sure they are not my rats but I know where this person buys his rats and they are good quality rats. I too think those prices are very high. Hard to convince Americans to wear a coyote fur vest when they need to spend $700 or more at a minimum. A quick trap to Vegas for less looks cheap compared to that.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Beav I left the govt tit LOL.

Bryce what do you think their cost to dump chemcials at a large tannery cost? Think they can go down the sewer drain? Look at a dry cleaner and find out what some of their higher cost are, chemical disposal and gets higher all the time. That adds to increased cost. Sure a guy can have a smaller scale guy do things cheaper input cost are lower. Maybe the small guy is using a different tanning process, dumping the chemicals on his own accord etc. Large scale tannerys have far more cost plain and simple.

Tman if No one cared about the cost as you have stated, take it or leave it, then why is the topic of fleshing cost even brought up? Do you think they are fleshing 1,000's of rats a year? Or do you think they might be telling the majority we really don't want to waste time or money doing this and set their price so they can count on not having to do many each year?

Let's face the majority of their business is from sportsman, trappers, very damn few will be willing to pay the 7.00 for rat fleshing so it really is a non topic how much they charge or make. If anyone here can do it better and cheaper then get in the business full scale and start employing the 10% who are unemployed and open up a full sclae tannery, sewing and fleshing business for ALL to send fur to at a much cheaper rate, you should make a killing according to the talk here........................

[thebeav2]

I will bet you that USA Foxx farms out all their tanning.

So your not receiving a government retirement check each month.

[thorsmightyhammer]

Feb 7, 2012 20:27:07 GMT -6 @thebeav2 said:

I will bet you that USA Foxx farms out all their tanning.

So your not receiving a government retirement check each month.

gary, I've met tc and its a strong possibility I am older than tc.

retirement check?

and its no bet that usa foxx farms out their tanning, they advertise they do lol.

[bblwi]

TC if one furrier can put out a quality product for considerably less then they have found a cost effective way to dispose of their tannery waste. I know this firm does buy fur from the international auctions and buys high grade goods. I know this firm was offering a Christmas season special but I would go back to them for other garments based on what I have seen and discussed with them.
We had a small tannery near us that closed about a decade ago. Many used this small local firm and then shipped their furs to have the garments made. It saved them a lot of cost.
Bryce

[trappnman]

keep wanting to draw me back in TC-?

fine- lets stop the sugar coating-

I don't give a rats arse about WHO is using the service, or what their skill level is.

I agree with you, and others- they can charge whatever the heck they want, and its up to the customer to beware

What I do think is absurd and ridiculus, is to try to justify $7 to flesh a rat by any kind of crazy math, and then to try to defend that by bringing up sundry misc expenses-

those misc expenses, are figured into a shop cost. Are you not understanding what a shop cost is, or how its determined?

its not just plucking numbers out of the air- although that seems what some think

in no way, by ANY calculation of shop fees, is fleshing a rat worth $7-

NO WAY

thus- anything over the fair cost & profit, is BY DEFINITION, price gouging.

how anyone can sit there, and try to bring in fuzzy math, or voodoo math, or stud dog math to justify it and defend it-
is simply beyond my ken and understanding.

[thebeav2]

and its no bet that usa foxx farms out their tanning, they advertise they do lol.

Hot dog I was right for the first time In my life. Thanks for having my back.

You don't have to be OLD to get a Government retirement check.

You want to know why I never get and coyotes skinning jobs It's because I charge $25.00 per animal. And that's the way I like It.

[thorsmightyhammer]

although I agree that 7 bucks is exorbitant, how much would you guys charge if you were running a real business.

think long and hard before you say it.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman not trying to draw you into anything, but look up the term price gouging and what USA Foxx is doing is NOT price gouging by any stretch. There is no real effect from their prices you can take them or leave them, and we are talking tanning not food,cover, gas or anything deemed a needed item.

Steve 49 if you where born before April of 68 you have me beat LOL

Beav I have 7 years before I could start drawing from my retirement at a reduced rate if I wait longer I can draw more.