coyote market

[martybaxter]

Feb 4, 2012 14:55:09 GMT -6 trappnman said:

have to agree with beav-

whas it take to flesh a rat- 15 secs a side?

What's it cost under the thumb of a parasitic govenrment beauracracy to pay someone to flesh a rat?


I saw some rocks in the back of a guys pickup in CO last month that were imported from China!

Our business climate is sooooo screwed up its cheaper in CO to buy friggen rocks from china. That's wrong no matter how you slice it.

[trappincoyotes39]

beav not BS hire people to do your fleshing and pay workers comp insurance on them and see what your cost would be then? Have a claim or two and watch your workers comp rise and see if your charging 2.00 bucks or less a rat for fleshing?

They are telling you easier and cheaper for "YOU" the consumer to send them fur that is ready for the tanning process. Does Moyles offer fleshing or skinning? If so what are they charging?

[seldom]

Speaking of FOXXUSA, from what I've actually seen, though I've never had them do anything for myself but the originator of the pelts, is that their flat work didn't impress me BUT the garments and one queen-size muskrat bedspread I have seen were fantastic! The bedspread was in my opinion, a piece of art. I told the young, unmarried Research Tech who had it made not to pour oil on the spread and use a towel for christsakes!!!! Some are educated beyond their intelligence!

I've got some grandkids who want tanned rats this year so I plan on sending to Moyle's.

Maybe strayed from the thread a little.

[hotandry]

Does Moyle make fur coats or are they just a tannery?

[trappnman]

$7 per rat- TO FLESH- not skin, flesh and put up- which would still be a joke- but to FLESH

one can do how many an hour? 50? more? And thats ME

I'm sure a "professional" can flesh rats even faster

I think there is plenty of profit margin, to cover legitimate costs and still have $6 as profit

to state $7 is legitmate cause it has to "cover costs" is stud dog math at its finest- just doesn't add up in any mathematics system, where 1 plus 1 equals 2.

plenty of things to blame the gov't for- forcing Moyles to charge $7 to FLESH a rat is not one of them

I believe, but am not sure, that Moyles just tans

[thebeav2]

In most cases this fur put up Is farmed out to private contractors so they don't fall under any workmen comp scenarios or other expensies related to the parent co.

I can flesh 50 rats In 18 min and I'm not even breaking a sweat.

$!2.00 per coon? Anyone with any experience can knock out a coon In 3 min.

Just another USA foxx rip off.

[Wright Brothers]

I thought that charge was for thining and cleaning the leather of dried pelts. Like tanners do with a sander or other power tool before tanning. Guess I thought wrong again.

Imagine recieving multiple coon, frozen in the grease, from multiple sources, through the mail or UPS. What a mess.

Why not apply for their flesher job peice work? lol That's how many deer processors pay, peice work to skin.

[trappincoyotes39]

Beav you diverted and I believe USA does all work in house not shipping pelts out to someone in their garage to flesh.LOL.

The bottom line is pay it or DON"T! The choice is up to the consumer. Like selling green fur or shipping. You can either do the work or let someone else do it for you. The price is the price, they have NO hidden cost you know what it will cost you either way. Use the services or don't.

If any tannery had their way all would except put up fur only. But USA Foxx id offering more services and for those you pay, some will- some won't. Because they offer other services they have more inout cost plain and simple........................

[thebeav2]

Well all you guys that want rats fleshed I'll do them for $3.00 each and If they are in the carcass just add a buck to the price. I will even stretch and dry them for you and send them to USA FOxx at no charge.

Coon for $5.00. In the carcase for $8.00

39 you have NO CLUE

[trappnman]

yes the price is the price-

but having a "price" doesn't mean its a fair price based on the work offered for that price, nor does it mean we should have internet silence concerning our opinion of it or even question the outlandishness of such a price.

$7 to flesh a rat is a ripoff, catering to those that don't know any better.

same with $12 per coon

[thorsmightyhammer]

beav, you need to hire someone, pay workmans comp, health insurance, retirement, ssi tax, paid holidays and vacation, plus leave some profit for yourself the business owner. And of course as the business owner you need to pay taxes on that profit.

7 bucks is steep, but if you cant flesh your own rat.....

I do enough job cost analysis that I do have a clue. As trappers we are pretty much working for pennies.

[thorsmightyhammer]

Ooops, I forgot about building costs, electricity, real estate taxes etc.

I get a kick out of posts where people say how much to charge to put up fur.

I like to think 60 to 75 bucks an hour as an independent contractor would be about right.

[trappnman]

seems to me, like beav makes well over $75 an hour as an independent contractor-

[thorsmightyhammer]

Feb 6, 2012 6:54:54 GMT -6 trappnman said:

seems to me, like beav makes well over $75 an hour as an independent contractor-

Nope. aint happening at the prices he is charging.

Not even close.

[trappnman]

I don't know his prices-

but an independent contractor figures in time and materials, plus markup (profit) on everything he does.

here is how we did it when I had the print shop with my dad.

We took our yearly cost of keeping the doors open (building, utilites, etc) and broke that down to a monthly average. then broke that down to an hourly average. We then knew what we needed, as a base rate per hour, to operate the business.

So to quote for a job, we would take that hourly base rate, and add labor costs to produce the product (time) plus all material costs plus a markup (profit)

so on common things (aka fleshing a rat all though I'm talking printing) we knew, based on experience, our production cost and therefore our retail cost.

This wouldn't change, whether we did the same job all day, or did it once a month- the cost, was the same.

so back to rats- if your business was fleshing, then you would need to know your "nut" each day, and then determine how long it took you, on average, do do a specific piece, then add your markup.

if your nut was $75 an hour including your markup, then you would have $1.25 a minute as true cost including markup as your charge rate.

and even if the true cost including markup was higher than that- say$150 an hour- its still only $2.50 a minute

so how long does it take to flesh a rat?

[lumberjack]

It sounds to me like a "convenience" price. Like was said before. I can make my own pizza, buy a frozen one or get a hot one delivered. I have done all 3 at times. Making your own aint always cheaper unless you buy enough bulk ingredients. Get a frozen one and you have to figure your time and electric to cook it.
I know this is apples to oranges compared to fleshing rats but the "convenience" factor is the same.
Just because we work for chump change lets not cut on someone that charges a price, not gets payed whatever someone offers for a product.
Im sure all the processors working for the auction houses are paying insurance, taxes, pensions, workmens comp, etc.
I have a question to the people doing put-up work for the auction houses, did they come up with the price being paid or did you?

[thorsmightyhammer]

when we put up rats as an independent contractor we have to do more than flesh it.

we have to probably thaw it out, flesh it, stretch it, take it off the stretcher,
store finished rats, clean up the shop and dispose of the fleshings.

Now how much time do you have in said rat? 3 minutes?

How about a coon?

beaver?

I know what he is getting paid and I can put up fur with anyone and there is no way a guy could make a run at 40 to 50 bucks an hour let alone 75.

No way.

[Bigfoot]

i expected to see how coyotes where selling recently when i pulled this up stupid me

for some reason i don't care how much beav makes or dosn't fleshing rats !!!!

[thebeav2]

Im sure all the processors working for the auction houses are paying insurance, taxes, pensions, workmens comp, etc.
I have a question to the people doing put-up work for the auction houses, did they come up with the price being paid or did you?

They did. What they do Is work out a deal with the large country buyers.

There Is one dealer that does all the fleshing at his facility but he's not set up for boarding and drying so he cuts a deal with NAFA to have his coon boarded and dried. $1.00 each is what I get what to guess how many I can do In a hour.
To flesh and board a coyote $5.00
To skin and board a fox Is $6.00

Not making $75.00 a hour but the money Is good. Probably making around $25.00 per hour. No expenses besides heat and electric. And that's covered. There are two of us working fur we each pay 100.00 per month for heat and light.

Sorry bigfoot we just got side tracked a bit.

[trappincoyotes39]

I have no clue LOL........................

Beav you run your small business the way YOU see fit and USA will runs theirs to make a profit and cover cost.

Beav what YOU don't get is the simple fact you can pay it or not. USA isn't demanding you use their services what so ever take them or leave them. The easiest and cheapest way is to send them finished dry fur. You only have tanning and shipping cost nothing more. For those that do not want to or can't do the other steps they offer that service at a cost.

Yeh your 25.00 an hr would not be cost effective for a larger company, they have wages, workers comp, taxes, utilites, and shop cost to cover. 25.00 per hr Pre cost isn't going to cut it for them. For you, a retired guy supplamenting your income you think it works and that is great.