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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 20, 2011 13:45:10 GMT -6
The coon daggers are working great! Doesn't seem to matter what goes down the tube coon work them and get caught! Even caught possums in them I haven't caught possums in years LOL.
The daggers are a great product and little to any foot damage on those coons and hold very well. Having some fun with them have caught a few in the dukes as well, just love the down trigger on the daggers all it takes it one paw down to hook the cotton ball or grab the goodies and the coon sits there waiting !
Super fast setup for sure and remakes lighting fast. A ton of coon in MO many dinks though as well coons everywhere.
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Post by doyleflory on Nov 20, 2011 15:53:50 GMT -6
I will agree on that there all good traps but after useing the dagger for 2 years they stand out and just out perform the duke and grizz.
Duke should have copied the dagger.lol
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Post by motrapperjohn on Nov 27, 2011 6:17:29 GMT -6
Duke had the chance to build them, but wouldnt return my calls. Yotes where are you finding tons of coon at? around me and lot others are real spotty, tons of dinks. Probly turned loose 40 to 50 so far.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 27, 2011 17:56:11 GMT -6
I'm east of KC working 30-40 miles out on some good farms and bridges. The timber areas I'm working have some really nice large coons on them. The bridges and water not near the same size or quantity. Working around den trees and the likes in timber catching them in good numbers for part timing it.
The dagger is the cadillac of DP traps I have No doubts about it.
The issue of using something edible goes away with the dagger I have been using various baits/lures and most all seem to work as well. Some of my favorites are the fish food pellets, black label coon bait and squirt and go fish oil/shellfish oil mixed with pro coon . They all get half of an X large cotton ball and lure/bait on it under the trigger. I'm wondering because the duke is a pull up only and takes more dinking around that some have had issues with non edible attractants?
Mo John I have caught my share of dinks as well talking 7-9lb coons as well, next years crop for sure.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Nov 28, 2011 11:06:28 GMT -6
So when you say the daggers out perform Little Grizz's and the Duke trapmasters what are the advantages you see in the daggers,
Higher catch percentages, less pullouts, more bait options, fewer misses etc. etc.
Bryce
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Post by TurTLe on Nov 28, 2011 14:36:23 GMT -6
I was a skeptic about the Dagger being any better than the Griz trap. I've put them through the ringer this season so far, and I can say they out perform the Griz hands down. The push/pull trigger is the cats meow. If an animal works the trap, they are sitting there waiting on you in the morning. I absolutely love the Daggers, and that's coming from a guy that owns about 12 doz. Lil Griz's. I'll be either retooling all my Griz's with Carlis' push/pull triggers, or just switching over to Daggers 100% after this season.
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Post by doyleflory on Nov 28, 2011 15:13:07 GMT -6
The stabalizer is tops hands down and the holding power is better the way the trap is built.The two way trigger is just better less misses.
I am not bad mouthing the grizz it is a good trap i won't get rid of what i have but won't buy more.
I guess if your happy with traps knocked down or bait stolen buy what ever but if you want the best of the little advantages but the daggers.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 28, 2011 17:17:55 GMT -6
you guys hit on all the points as to why the daggers are the best out there! I haven't used many DP's in recent past but it didn't take me long experimenting with different bait/lure options and catching what I have so far to see all the advantages of those daggers, I will say I have had a few pulled out of the mud and tipped over so they could get dry baits but easy fix was hit themn with a liquid and the next day there sits the coon. Excellent holding ability and all the rest. Carlis better be real busy building as more and more use these traps sales should be very,very good for him as long as he can keep up with demand.
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Post by bblwi on Nov 28, 2011 17:23:58 GMT -6
Good to know but I don't want a push-pull trigger for some as I want to be able to set the trap in or near water before the water seasons begin here in WI. Mink and rats can not get caught supposedly in pull triggers and I want to use these in trails that get wet when it rains etc. Like the other points you brought out. I can work with the stabilizing systems but don't want the pull trigger option where I plan to use them earlier in the season.
Bryce
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Post by blackhammer on Nov 28, 2011 17:44:31 GMT -6
The Grizz and Duke dps are hands down the best out there.The pull.push trigger is a bunch of bs.The Duke achor especially is just the ticket.The traps are super animal friendly with many coon sleeping in traps.I've caught more coon than most in dps and see no reason to use anything but the Grizzes and Dukes.IMO but everyone has there own.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 29, 2011 4:37:14 GMT -6
push/pull BS and why so? A trigger than works two ways BS? Hum?
Not only 2 way but the shape and size of that 2 way trigger that makes it really shine. very tough for any coon to bait steal outside of some dry baits with that trigger design.
Bryce I don't know if too many rats could set them off with a front foot? Short legged maybe very big muskrats.
IN SD the law reads when trapping coon with NO season in the water the dp traps are one you can use, the number of mink one would catch in a dagger? I don't think the numbers would be substanial enough to raise concern for any Game or DNR my opinion.
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Post by trappnman on Nov 29, 2011 6:30:18 GMT -6
seems to be, that the problem of bait being stolen, is directly proportional to the size of your coon.
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Post by CoonDuke on Nov 29, 2011 7:24:25 GMT -6
IMO It would be ludicrous for any state to regulate DP traps under the guise of protecting mink and muskrats. A trapper will kill more mink and rats with the tires of his vehicle while checking their line than they would with these traps
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Post by bblwi on Nov 29, 2011 8:13:59 GMT -6
I don't disagree just stating the regs we deal with here in WI, good bad or ugly.
Bryce
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Post by CoonDuke on Nov 29, 2011 8:35:36 GMT -6
We all have those stupid regs Bryce. Like not being able to dispatch with a semi auto in PA.
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Post by trappnman on Nov 29, 2011 8:45:52 GMT -6
not a stupid regulation at all- in fact, its a damn good regulation!
what it does, is allow coon trappers, to be in the water BEFORE the mink and rat season opens in WI.
in Mn for example we cannot set traps in water, for 30 days BEFORE the rat/mink season opens.
what an advantage, to be able to trap water earlier.
the pull thing, was put in before the push/pull (which kind of defeats a DOG PROOF traps purpose IMHO, but thats another thing) came about- not put in specific against them.
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Post by mustelameister on Nov 29, 2011 9:25:21 GMT -6
pull vs push/pull is still being debated within DNR here in WI for early 'coon in water and on beaver dams . . . stay tuned, one never knows, even when it's in black and white  |
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Post by calvin on Nov 29, 2011 11:33:30 GMT -6
Has anyone ever caught (or really seen caught) a dog in a DP? Not talking grey fox...I mean pet dogs. Seems Very odd a dog would stick his paw down into that tube to me. Maybe on a really weird off chance but not enough to regulate a trigger type.
As for Dukes vs whatever. There are places where my dukes need a longer stabilizer. They pull right out of mud/sand and anything soft. I had to make up a holding system in those conditions. I don't know but suspect some of the others may hold better in soft conditions.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Nov 29, 2011 15:37:29 GMT -6
Has anyone ever heard of a mink or a muskrat getting caught in a DP? If one will read the regs for wisconsin it says the trap cannot be placed where the animal can reach water. So if you are 2 ft away you are good. And a mink is a land animal that likes water.I myself has had plenty of the daggers pulled and laying on the ground.
Was hoping to get traps back in the ground this week but got to get another 70 doz built for shipping this week. Thakns Guys
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Post by mustelameister on Nov 29, 2011 16:17:46 GMT -6
Has anyone ever heard of a mink or a muskrat getting caught in a DP? If one will read the regs for wisconsin it says the trap cannot be placed where the animal can reach water. So if you are 2 ft away you are good. And a mink is a land animal that likes water.I myself has had plenty of the daggers pulled and laying on the ground. MoJo . . are you sure you're reading and interpreting WI's regs correctly? Here's from the regs: You may not: • operate trap sets which permit the trapped animal to reach water, except when the muskrat, mink, beaver, or otter trapping season is open in the zone you are trapping, or unless using a commercially manufactured enclosed trigger trap. |
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