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Post by mustelameister on Jul 6, 2011 14:45:37 GMT -6
Actually . . . Gary tested the "Judas coon" theory years ago when dumpster diving in the Madison area prior to the advent of DP traps. Here's a pic from the archives showing one of these tethered Judas 'coon posing for the picture. Worked quite well for the Beav. He'd tether these pup raised 'coon to a storm sewer grate just outside a MacDonalds. By day the 'coon would be down below hiding. Come evening they would pop up out of the grates and head for the dumpster where Gary had 4-6 cage traps waiting. Keeping the tethered 'coon "leash" just short of the cage traps worked like a charm as other 'coon were attracted by the sight of the Judas 'coon trying to get the food in the cages. Each time the other 'coon would run into the cage to beat the Judas 'coon from getting the bait. Finally the ASPCA got wind of the whole shebang and Gary was forced to return to ditch trapping once again.  ;D |
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 6, 2011 15:41:32 GMT -6
Is nothing sacred anymore. But It Is true. But It only works on town coon and not their country cousins. Carlis 100 traps Is just a arbitrary number. And you can spin It any way you want. I have my system down pat and It works for me. Trapping behind some one ? If I'm laying out 3 lines and It takes me 2 day's to do It. It seems to me I'm way ahead of the competition. I have traps In the ground at 3 locations while you have traps at one location. It seems to me you would be the one that Is trapping behind someone. I think you had better spend all your time In your shop producing Daggers because that Is where the money Is going to be. Because your trap line management skills leave lots of room for improvement.  Mike I can't find any trapping regs. Is there any size restrictions on the size of the opening or the trigger configuration On a DP In WI. I know during the regular water season It wouldn't be a problem but In the dry land season It might be a problem If your using them In the water. |
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 6, 2011 15:49:56 GMT -6
Who would want to check only 100 sets when you can check 300. After 3 day checks behind someone that checks everyday all you will have is leftovers if any so you will be busy moving every 3 days anyhow.
If I have my locations gang set I don't have to be there every day my traps are doing the work for me. That's why we do the extended checks and that's why we drown the coon.
And when I'm moving one line I'll still have two lines working for me while you will be dead In the water on the days you move your one line. It's called TRAP LINE MANAGEMENT
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Post by mustelameister on Jul 6, 2011 21:32:25 GMT -6
Enclosed Trigger Trap—means any trap with a pull-activated trigger located inside an enclosure and recessed 1¼ inches or more from an opening that is no greater than 1¾ inches in diameter.
Note: "pull-activated trigger"
I'm assuming push/pull aren't legal here Gary.
Did you notice the canine season begins concurrent with 'coon this year?
More changes coming next year or the year after: a common opener for water sets in both the northern and southern zones. Looking at the third weekend of October. Northern zone bumped back a week and southern zone bumped up a week.
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Post by mustelameister on Jul 6, 2011 21:34:48 GMT -6
Coyote, Raccoon, Red and Gray Fox
Season Dates Statewide:
Resident Raccoon Oct. 15–Feb. 15, 2012
Non-Resident Raccoon Oct. 29–Feb. 15, 2012
Fox Oct. 15–Feb. 15, 2012
Coyote Oct. 15–Feb. 15, 2012
Period of Season when Cable Restraints are Allowed Statewide
Fox Dec. 1–Feb. 15, 2012
Coyote Dec. 1–Feb. 15, 2012
Note: This is the only time during the coyote and fox season when
cable restraints may be used.
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Post by eedup on Jul 7, 2011 0:16:43 GMT -6
Just trying to learn a little more but if you set 3 lines of 100 traps and i set one line of 300 traps, i run daily meaning i have 300 possibles. If you run 1 of your three lines today it seems the other two while full of coon are not reset, so you have only 100 reset traps. Now if you are running 3 lines of 300 I can see where it would compare and excel.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 7, 2011 6:00:42 GMT -6
Then the dagger Is illegal In WI.
EDITED: Gary, the regulation doesn't state a "pull only" just that it has to have a "pull trigger". under that definition, the daggers would be legal as the do have a pull trigger.
eedup on Today at 12:16am
Just trying to learn a little more but if you set 3 lines of 100 traps and i set one line of 300 traps, i run daily meaning i have 300 possibles. If you run 1 of your three lines today it seems the other two while full of coon are not reset, so you have only 100 reset traps. Now if you are running 3 lines of 300 I can see where it would compare and excel.
I can't run 300 traps In a day. Maybe In a rat marsh but not a straight coon line.
Gang setting Is the clue to the extended checks.
Example I'm trapping a large marsh for rats I set 300 traps. The first check Is going to take the cream. The second check Is probably going to be off about 50% from the First check. The third check will be off another 25%. So Instead of the third check I'll leave them soak for 2 days then make the next check. No sense In checking 300 traps to catch 30 rats just let those traps get a chance to fill up.
That third day on the line would be better spent setting up a NEW line.
By setting up like this you will always have enough traps still set that you will be able to take any coon or rats that are moving through that location.
Also by setting up 3 lines you are way ahead of the competition with traps in the ground at those locations.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 7, 2011 6:08:01 GMT -6
Mike those changes are way over due. Once they get the closing date the same for rats mink and coon then things will be In pretty good shape.
John promised me that he would have that situation remedied but I don't see It happening this season.
They would either lengthen the coon season to coincided with the rat closer or make coon legal to keep as Incidentals.
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Post by coalbank on Jul 7, 2011 7:11:41 GMT -6
Coyote, Raccoon, Red and Gray Fox
Season Dates Statewide:
Resident Raccoon Oct. 15–Feb. 15, 2012
Non-Resident Raccoon Oct. 29–Feb. 15, 2012
Fox Oct. 15–Feb. 15, 2012
Coyote Oct. 15–Feb. 15, 2012
When do the coon become prime in your area?
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 7, 2011 7:40:27 GMT -6
Yea Gary you know thats a bunch of Bull chit, so you might want to modify your post. Do you know what slander is?
Whos Dead in the water? No Smart trapper would do that, thats why smart trapper sets out new sets every day.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 7, 2011 7:45:42 GMT -6
Our coon are pretty close to prime In late Oct. The hide may be a bit on the slate colored side but the fur Is what's It's going to be.
My problem Is with the closing dates on coon. Rats close at the end of Feb coon close Feb 15th. How many coon do you think we catch when were In the water trapping rats? Those coon either are floated away or their called In and a warden will come pick them up. Either way they are wasted.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 7, 2011 8:09:06 GMT -6
You would think you would know what your own regulations are, so maybe you need to check and read all of them.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 7, 2011 8:09:41 GMT -6
I've read a lot about the inefficentcys of running 3 day checks- just about always, from those not running them. Suffice to say, anyone not running 3 day checks if allowed, is missing the boat. IMHO. But thats neither here nor there- run your line, how ever you like.
but to the point do coon in traps, give you more coon? My OPINION is no- that the location is all that matters- a empty trap baited/lured right is going to take the next coon, whether hes down and out of site in the water, or sitting on land. I don't think a live coon, is going to draw in any coon, that weren't coming there to begin with.
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Post by mustelameister on Jul 7, 2011 9:13:10 GMT -6
EDITED: Gary, the regulation doesn't state a "pull only" just that it has to have a "pull trigger". under that definition, the daggers would be legal as the do have a pull trigger.
I'm requesting clarification on that regulation today.
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Post by Coon King IV on Jul 7, 2011 9:14:13 GMT -6
I guy running a 24 hr ck will never keep up w/ a guy running a 3 day ck. Its just the way it is.
The system doesnt shine as much on coons as K9s though. Unless your in IA where theres a coon in every tree lol.
I would say most my coon locations are done after 3 good weather nights. I would say 25% could handle 5 good nights yielding a decent catch still, just depends on the spot.
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Post by packerfan on Jul 7, 2011 9:47:22 GMT -6
Mike/Gary...................................How early would you guys consider harvesting yotes? I have farmers asking, but no time during the summer.
Hard to beat 3 lines, with a 3 day check. I do it mainly during the winter months. This winter will be spent, for the most part, in Kansas.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 7, 2011 9:55:01 GMT -6
packerfan-with my coyotes here, oct 15 seems to be a good starting date.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 7, 2011 10:12:56 GMT -6
What Gary failed to tell everyone is that for the Dagger to be illegal it would have set illegally in the first place and in a closed season. Ue only wants to make partial statements to suite his needs and intentions at the time. Why dont you go ahead and clarify the rest of the regulation that would make most footholds and most Dps, include the ones u use illegal,
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Post by packerfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:33:24 GMT -6
Don't sweat it John. Everyone here is well aware. Beav likes to stir things up. Sometimes it's entertaining and other times annoying. He picks on me all the time. I just laugh it off. I, for one, will be testing some of your daggers here in Wisconsin. Most of my DPs will remain Dukes due to cost. My "fall/winter" fun budget includes traps/supplies,new Matthews bow, 6 new treestands, bulk 12 gauge shells, lab pup (to keep my beagle company when I'm gone) and other outdoor stuff. Travel, to and from Kansas, is paid for by my wife's company/firm. Travel in state is paid by me. So every penny counts.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 7, 2011 13:00:15 GMT -6
What Gary failed to tell everyone is that for the Dagger to be illegal it would have set illegally in the first place and in a closed season. Ue only wants to make partial statements to suite his needs and intentions at the time. Why dont you go ahead and clarify the rest of the regulation that would make most footholds and most Dps, include the ones u use illegal,
Not really Carlis We can set DPs which are considered species specific In the water during the dry land coon season. Once the water season opens It makes no difference.
So Carlis tell us what size Is the opening on your trap? And what's the depth of the trigger? Those dimensions may play a part In them being legal In WI.
If they happen to be Illegal during a specific season and legal during the general season why would I want to stock up on them. I would rather have a trap I could use all the time.
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