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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 1, 2011 17:02:12 GMT -6
PEOd Hardly I could care less who builds or sells DP type traps.
Keep pushing your trap Carlis It's as good as any of them just way to costly for me. Like I said when You get to under $10.00 per trap I'll buy some.
As to pressure washers. I guess It's pretty simple I take my dirty traps after the season and wash them. Never had a problem during the season. It's all about the bait you use.
I made half of my Duke DPs Into push pull triggers It was real simple. Now I'll see how It works out this coming season. I really don't see how It's going to up my catch much.
As to you viewing that trail cam flick The coon did eventually get caught. And I guess It didn't clean out the trap since It kept working the trap. I still think It's mice that clean out those traps. Because when I have them set In the water I have no problems with cleaned out traps and no coon. I seriously doubt a coon could polish the Inside of that trap and not get caught In the process.
Frozen ground No big deal. It just takes a little pre season work. When I'm laying out my line I drive In all my cable stakes. And In areas where I'm going to be trapping after or during frozen ground conditions I just drive In a 4" section of pipe. The pipe Is crimped shut on one end so the pipe won't fill up when I drive It. Or just carry a drift pin with you and drive a pilot hole.
This DP trapping Is so easy even a cave man can do It.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Jul 1, 2011 17:19:28 GMT -6
Carlis it was nice chewing the fat with your wife and you.
Of the DPs I have the dagger is hands down the best bang for the buck in my opinion. The trigger and chain set up are ready out of the box.
I don't get payed or a discount from any of them. That's just my take on this after scrutinizing all those that I own. And I don't own the whole spectrum.
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Post by Coon King IV on Jul 1, 2011 19:13:12 GMT -6
If your using a soft bait any sized coon can get it out w/o pullin the trigger if he has the want too.
When I first started using them I used a runny paste and soon learned a coon will stick his hand in there and pull it out and lick it off.
If your only running a dz or so a few empties doesnt stick out. You run 30 out of a 100 and you start looking for answers.
My friend run a line w/ me for 3 days last year. I showed him what I done to my dukes to make them p/p and he had his doubts. After the 3 days he was trying to talk me into doing his. I have to dismiss the coon size unless your coons are avg over 25lbs.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jul 1, 2011 19:32:33 GMT -6
the problem with the new griz will be availability just like the old style.
Trap aint worth a dang if a guy cant get them.
Sorry Getrz, I call it as I see it.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 1, 2011 19:52:19 GMT -6
Steve there is problems when you get in manufactureing that is out of both mine and Garys controll as I am finding out. Iwas hoping to come home to completed dies and some parts ready for assembly, instead it was somone didnt order steel 4 weeks ago as was asked to do. so the last 2 days has been spent calling all over the country to find coil which now looks like a two day road trip. Hopfully lessons learned
Beav I am talking about getting the traps cleaned out in the feild after a catch, most of the time its no problem, but get freezing temps after a catch with mud and you are taking that trap home with you be cause you cant reset becausse the bail wire hits the frozen mud. And the only way you are getting 10$ traps are dealer cost, and I am not going to lower my standards to that of a Korean made copycat who has absolutly no investment in machinery, dies, r &d other than a flat rate box! And you will have your eyes poped open if you are using any type of 2-way that is worth a hoot!
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 1, 2011 20:02:49 GMT -6
Wright Brothers, thanks for the comments, should of introduced yourself so I could put faces with names. I guess some just see the $ they can save up front and not what can be made down the line by spending the extra 20$ Thats one coon! I thought My head was thick.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Jul 1, 2011 20:24:16 GMT -6
MoJohn I did introduce myself, Sat afternoon FTA I told the unpublisized story of the not so dp dp. WB Aviation? Ask the wife I bet she remembers haha. I really like that I could chew fat with the guy that produced the trap, have not done that since Montgomery tour.
So many screen names, then many have multiples, then the real names it's hard to keep up. Glad when guys fess up in person who they are on here.
Far as thick headed and cheap, (some say thrifty) that be me haha. We got to.
If the angle iron (dagger stabilizer part) was trimmed where it meets the tube base, it would stack inside another. Thats about the only thing that I noticed so far. I'll likely buy more.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 1, 2011 21:23:17 GMT -6
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wright Brothers, thanks for the comments, should of introduced yourself so I could put faces with names. I guess some just see the $ they can save up front and not what can be made down the line by spending the extra 20$ Thats one coon! I thought My head was thick. Thick headed LOL what a joke. I can put (2) Duke DPs In the Field and only one of yours and you call someone thick headed. In fact dealer costs are even cheaper then I can get them for. So Duke didn't have to re tool to produce the Duke DP? What did Bill do borrow the dies from Gary .  And like I said before what you use In that trap makes a huge differance on your catch ratio. |
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 2, 2011 6:54:58 GMT -6
Beav I am talking about getting the traps cleaned out in the Field after a catch, most of the time its no problem, but get freezing temps after a catch with mud and you are taking that trap home with you be cause you cant reset becausse the bail wire hits the frozen mud. And the only way you are getting 10$ traps are dealer cost, and I am not going to lower my standards to that of a Korean made copycat who has absolutly no investment in machinery, dies, r &d other than a flat rate box! And you will have your eyes poped open if you are using any type of 2-way that is worth a hoot!
Carlis please enlighten me on this mud thing.
I have yet to see where after a catch I have had mud frozen Inside the trap. Sure there may be mud frozen to the outside of the trap but that Is easily removed. But as long as the animal has It's foot In the trap there won't be any mudd on the inside of that trap.
As to copy cat dps. It seems to me that your trap is not a whole lot different then any other Dp trap. Same bail system same trigger system. So you went to a square tube body style and a different stabilizer but basically It's pretty much the same as all the rest of them. Coon sticks foot In trap pulls or pushes the trigger and the bail closes and you have a caught coon.
The Black hole mole trap was as far as I'm concerned the innovator of this DP system. Gary swears up and down he didn't copy It but If you look at one you will see the HUGE similarity between It and the Grizz.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 2, 2011 8:16:39 GMT -6
Beav, you must have huge coon! have you ever figured out how a coon that is caught in the trap get a chunck of bait out of the trap? easy he sticks his foot in past the other one and pulls it out.How many times have you walked up to a coon in a dp and he is sticking his foot in the trap where his foot is pinned. If you can catch them by 2 feet he can get mud and dirt in the trap. I know you have caught enough coon in Dp to have had that happen, Maybe not! HA HA! If I didnt want any dealers and wanted to work myself to death I could compete with the Duke But I wont, mine will out perform the duke in all aspects and for a price difference of $15 dz it cant be beat, I dont know where you come up with the 2 to 1 difference at. Oh! thats the catch ratio difference! So if you figure that in the duke it twice the cost of mine.
WB ok I remember now. That stacking deal sounds good but they have already designed the dies. It will still work, just reverse the traps to where the anckor slides down the outside the lower part of the tube. I was meaning meaning someone else being thick on top, kinda like myself
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 2, 2011 8:46:46 GMT -6
Carlis If I can spend $20.00 and buy 2 traps and spend $20.00 on one of your traps. the odds of catching 2 coon In two traps is a lot higher then catching two coon In ONE of your traps (EVEN YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT)  So far I haven't witnessed any problem with frozen mud making my traps Inoperable. I hope the dagger works out for you and those who use them. But to say your trap will out preform a grizz style trap In all aspects Is a real stretch. I don't blame you for pushing your product but lets not get to carried away. |
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 2, 2011 11:02:01 GMT -6
Beav, my traps have not been $20 since early spring. I guess you havnt been keeping up. They are suggested retail of $165. where the duke is $149.95 dz I am sure you can do the math. What I guess you cant comprehend is what several people have posted here and other forumns is that when they set both traps with the same bait they missed several coon in traps with a one-way pull trigger verses the two -way ring trigger. They then set the dagger in those places and caught the coon, no more misses.Plus the design of my opening eliminates pull-outs, but I am sure you never have any of those either. Maybe up at columbia we can get a couple of coon carcasses, you can bring your duke and I will supply a dagger and you can compare side by side how much force it takes to pull that coon out of a dagger verses the duke. And by the way there are people out there that would say the odds are in my favor when useing prepared type baits, chunk style baits that might be a toss-up. You wouldnt be the first to give me a hard time and then had to fess up. I am not going to feed anyone a bunch of bull just to try and sell them traps. Heck if they wasnt as good as I said they was, I wouldnt even was my time making them, let alone invest over $80,000 in dies and equipment
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 2, 2011 18:38:31 GMT -6
What I guess you cant comprehend is what several people have posted here and other forumns is that when they set both traps with the same bait they missed several coon in traps with a one-way pull trigger verses the two -way ring trigger. They then set the dagger in those places and caught the coon, no more misses.Plus the design of my opening eliminates pull-outs, but I am sure you never have any of those either.
So your saying that the trap was sprung? Or do you consider a cleaned out trap a miss? If they would have left the other traps would they have made a catch? Did mice clean out the traps?
Carlis I have NEVER had a trap that was sprung and nothing In It.
I have some of your push /pull ring shaped triggers on my Duke DPs and I can honestly say I don't see a huge difference In my catch ratio over the standard pull type trigger. The only difference I do see Is I catch more junk with the push/pull type trigger. But then that Is probably to be expected. grinners and pole cats aren't as pull orientated as coon are.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 2, 2011 18:54:40 GMT -6
Not sprung and empty, just empty. Would you rather feed them or kill them! LOL! If you have never had a trap sprung trap and nothing in it Thats more BS than anyone can Handle ! NUFF SAID!
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 2, 2011 22:46:03 GMT -6
In my opinion these empty traps are not the work of coon It's mice that shine them up. If you can read sign you would know.
Well I'm only telling It like It Is I still have never had a sprung dp with out having something In It. I guess you must be doing something wrong Or maybe It's your trap design.
And as to the dead coon scenario. Do you think we all just got off the turnip truck. We all know there's a big difference in placing a foot of a dead coon In a trap and then closing It, over actually catching a coon. That Is a piss poor example of the holding power of a trap, and you know It. Just smoke and mirrors.
Like I said before you have a good DP but It's not the silver bullet you make It out to be. I still wish you well In your endeavor.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 3, 2011 8:56:27 GMT -6
I think you need to get a camera and set up on your traps beav and you might learn a thing or two. Well we might as well stick your finger in each one and pull and see which comes off first the trap or your finger. By the way what is the difference, the coon firing the trap when he is alive or dead? With some statements you made I think maybe you might have fell off the truck a time to many.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 3, 2011 9:06:14 GMT -6
I don't know if its the size of the coon per se, but it is, I think the size difference in feet.
I don't see much way a coon here, can get underneath the trigger, and not set it off when its foot is being redrawn.
I use thme mostly in winter, wet and mud, etc conditions, and I have to agree with the beav- I see little if any sign, that a coon has worked a trap and not been caught. Now, avoidance is a different thing, and we won't get into that here- but working the trap and cleaning it out?
nope
the only way I can explain the different observations, including edible bait because they eat so much of it before getting caught and often clean the trap of bait, is foot size.
what beav and myself are saying- on opur coon here- and yes carlis, they ARE an average big coon, and the smaller coon STILL HAVE THE BIG FEET (like pups having "adult " feet in dogs) and cleaning out a trap is of little concern. thus my personal thought that for me, on my coon, a push pull trigger would add nothing, and might actually increase non targets.
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 3, 2011 9:10:24 GMT -6
Why I like an edible bait. This coon would never have been caught if turned off by the taste of the bait.  |
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Post by blackhammer on Jul 3, 2011 9:13:41 GMT -6
I believe in edible bait as well Coonduke.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 3, 2011 9:36:08 GMT -6
I guess I'd ask myself WHY, those coon are going into and out of that trap numberous times, and not get under the trigger?
why PUT bait above the trigger?
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