DP Traps

[Coon King IV]

I love it when 2 old dudes go at it..........no offense;)

[trappnman]

whats ironic- is pull or push/pull triggers are already obsolete- there is a much better design out there, that eliminates all these problems.

[thebeav2]

Drown them all, 3 day checks 3 100 trap loops Is where It's at. There not all Dp's though. I gang set on the high banks but I'm still sliding most of them into the water. Ever see those zip lines? It even works on coon and DP's.

Or I'm setting 160s on those high bank trails.

Old Dudes" Me maybe but Carlis Is just a kid.

[doyleflory]

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whats ironic- is pull or push/pull triggers are already obsolete- there is a much better design out there, that eliminates all these problems.
What is it i am ready when they come out?

[motrapperjohn]

Well 3 day checks and zip lines! had a guy that ran the Mo. river did that with fox coyote everything, had to carry more wire than traps. Bad thing about 3 day ck on coon,IMO, is you set 4 traps and check 3 days get 4 coon, I set 4 traps check daily, lets say get 9 coon pull and set a new location. I would think that wouldnt be a smart think to do, cats and coyotes yes. I would rather be moving to fresh ground every 3 or 4 days. Our areas you better get to them in a hurry or someone else will.
Two old dudes ah. Yea Gary you can admit it if you want, but I will gladly accept the kid part. Thanks

[thebeav2]

100 traps a day and moving on to the next 100 traps the next day and then moving the next day to the next 100 traps I think that Is a better plan then checking 100 traps 3 times in 3 days. The way I do it puts me on new ground each day and I'm already ahead of the guy that Is setting On one piece of ground. And If your gang setting at each location along that 100 trap loop you are going to have traps waiting to make catches. I bet you my daily catches are going to be as high as yours or better.

Everything being equal our first checks should be about even. But my second check Is going to be on new ground while your catch will most likely drop off from day one and will most likely be way down on your third check. And while your moving with no traps In the ground I'll still be making second and third checks on my original line.

You young guys just don't get it

[TurTLe]

Some of us don't have that option with a 24 hour check no matter how the trap is set.

[mustelameister]

Jul 5, 2011 15:36:25 GMT -6 motrapperjohn said:

Well 3 day checks and zip lines! Bad thing about 3 day ck on coon,IMO, is you set 4 traps and check 3 days get 4 coon, I set 4 traps check daily, lets say get 9 coon pull and set a new location. I would think that wouldnt be a smart think to do

Interesting thread so far, even with the drama.

Let's see how mojo's math works. If I'm following the above paragraph correctly, Gary sets 4 traps and 3 days later gets 4 'coon. Okay, so he's running three 100-trap lines, not all DPs, but checking 300 traps in 3 days, right?

So if Gary makes quota using mojo's math above, on day 4 he'll have 100 'coon from checking the first 100 traps, then another 100 checking the second line on day 5, then 100 checking the third line on day 6. Gary should have 300 'coon by the end of the sixth day.

Day 7 will be the second check on the first line, and let's say he's only running 50% on second checks. So Day 7, second check on the first line, yields 50 'coon. Day 8 is the second check on the second line, and that yields 50 'coon. Day 9 is the second check on the third line, and that yields 50 'coon.

So . . . 100+100+100 + 50 + 50 + 50 = about 450 'coon in 9 days.

Though I don't think he'll be scoring 100% on the first check on the 4rd day, but that's mojo's math. Even if Gary's catch percentage is 75% on the first check day, that would yield 75 + 75 + 75 + 50 + 50 + 50 = 375 'coon. 375 'coon in 9 days, more or less, running 100 traps a day and checking every third day.

Now . . . mojo says he sets 4 traps and checks daily and gets 9 'coon. Then pulls. I'm assuming he's been checking daily for three days. Let's give him the same percentages we gave Gary. 100% the first night, 50% the second night, and . . . what on the third night? How about 25%?

So, if mojo runs a hundred traps for three days then pulls after the third check, we should have the following catch results: Day 1 = 100 'coon, Day 2 = 50 'coon, and Day 3 = 25 'coon. Three day total = 175 'coon. In a nine-day stretch assuming mojo resets in new areas after checking on Day 3 and Day 6 we can multiply 175 'coon by three and we come up with . . . 525 'coon.

mojo's 525 'coon vs Gary's 450 'coon. Or dropping the first night catch percentage for mojo to 75% we come up with 450 for mojo in those 9 days and we came up with 375 'coon for Gary as worked out above.

So mojo catches more 'coon more consistently?

IMO . . . and that's really in my opinion, I don't think so.

A good water trapper who knows his line well should know where those 'coon are going to consistently appear on the water trapline. There are locations that just say 'coon will be there for six weeks straight no matter what. Those bluffs a mile back will deliver 'coon eventually down to the water. Those old barns, abandoned houses, tree den sites, disrupted areas, whatever . . that are holding 'coon, will eventually deliver those 'coon along a waterway.

I'm guessing I run a line very similar to Beav's, and I leave those 'coon sets in until the weather kicks me out. Meanwhile, once 'rats open, I'm busting heiny in the marshes racking up as many 'rats as possible.

There's always time to check 100 DPs a day somewhere in the water, and still run 2 or 3-day checks on 'rat sets.

Does the land trapper running 100 DPs a day and moving them every third day have time to run 'rat sets, and I'm talking a hundred fifty + 'rat sets a day?

Interesting math as it is.

Carry on with the DP trap drama. Enjoyable!

[motrapperjohn]

Whats you talking about 100 traps a day, Sheese thats before breakfast! LMAO. You forgot the part about always set new every day!!

[mustelameister]

Factor it any way you want. A water trapper working from a boat can easily check 100 DPs on the bank in a very short period of time. Heck, multiply the number by three or four if you want.

My personal experience has shown me that multiple day checks on drowning sets for 'coon outperform land sets checked daily.

That's my experience and I've certainly been blessed with access to waters that will support the statement.

I'll get my 'coon line established this fall and then commence to spankin' 'rats.

[motrapperjohn]

Just given Gary some crap. Guy in SE Iowa did just under 1000 in 10 days, all DPs no drowners 24 hr check. Thats haulin. What I was trying to say in a previous post was that basicaly when using Dps you will in fact catch more coon per spot per check when you gang set and dont drown your coon verses drowning your coon. Nothing more !

[eedup]

Had one small female grey fox in duke dp in arkansas this yr. Many cotton rats especially on fish ponds. Wondering on this slide wire vs checking everyday debate. Still thinking run two to three hundred every day for three days start movin to new area but leavin in those sure thing for weeks sets, will still out perform the three day line. I'm talking short run 2 weeks or less. On that three day check line you say gang set, how heavy at one good bridge is heavy? Have had up to 11 traps and 7 coon in 24 hr check. Neat thread.

[motrapperjohn]

Thanks eedup, that sounds plenty heavy. Best I know of 11 out of 12 traps. What some cant figure out is while they are putting out those 100 slide wires a hard runner can put out 3 times as many staked dps in less time. And no pre staking, as most states wont allow it and is on 24 check laws.

[thebeav2]

Those guys In Iowa can pre stake and have traps out on their line before the season opens. That would make things a lot easier to take that 1000 coon.

We can lay out the line place drowning rods or cables but can't place the trap . But no reason we can't cache some traps along the way.

Pre season work Is the key to large numbers.

My system lets me check a 100 water type sets per day. But I'm also checking a road line while getting to those water lines.

As to gang setting If you have a good water crossing or for that matter a hot location along a creek no reason not to set at least 4 traps at that location. Off the road at those hot locations more traps could be set. But along the road your always going to have to deal with theft

Now If we In WI could get a 2 day check on dry land body grips life would be a bit easier on the road line.

It boils down to how many $12.00 coon do you want to skin a day

[trappnman]

carlis- are you saying that coon in traps, bring in more coon?

and that by drowning those coon, you lose that attraction?

doyle- I used some prototypes, that have an entirely different design. nopt my place ot say more. sorry. Just had to comment, after reading all the posts about push/pull vs push.

[stickbowhntr]

Hey Beav--it aint skinnin the $12 coons what bothers me , it's the fleshing 'em and finding ways to get rid of a LOT of carcuss.....no meat market here.My garden is only so deep.

[mustelameister]

Jul 6, 2011 7:43:01 GMT -6 trappnman said:

carlis- are you saying that coon in traps, bring in more coon? and that by drowning those coon, you lose that attraction?

Was wondering the same thing.

[motrapperjohn]

That is excactly what I am saying. I had 3 different guys tell me that. All of which take over a 1000 coon per year in dps. One of those who told me that he has come up on traps where the uncaught coon was fighting trying to take the trap away from the other. No pre staking is what I am talking about. On the earlier post about you checking every 3 days and me every day same # of traps same spots. One thing that you forgot to figuire in was that all you can catch in that 3 days is 4 coon, me if its a good spot, I could in all reality take 12 coon. And if you take away the prestaking I could get out probly 3 times as many traps as you could in a day if you were running drowners. Every minute saved is time to set more traps.

[thebeav2]

I guess you don't understand multiple lines and extended checks.

If I have 3 lines of 100 traps each I will be checking 300 traps In three days. If you set one location with a 100 traps and you check the same 100 traps you will be checking 300 traps. The rub Is this I will be checking NEW ground each day and my catch will not be dropping off. Yours on the other hand will continue to drop off each day you check.

Coon drawing In other coon? maybe on a very limited basis. If your on location and your gang setting and you have a good edible bait I don't think the live coon draw Is a big thing. Maybe we should all raise some Judas coon so we can stake them out at each location just to up our catch rate.

Pre season work Is what gives you big numbers on the line.

[motrapperjohn]

:-[Who would want to check only 100 sets when you can check 300. After 3 day checks behind someone that checks everyday all you will have is leftovers if any so you will be busy moving every 3 days anyhow ;D