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Post by chamacat on Feb 14, 2011 22:26:44 GMT -6
Yep...I want to buy some DLS traps for cat's and coyote's..I look at all the catalogues and seems to me that there is only 2-3 manufactures of a #3 or #4 trap...Do any of you use any of the new DLS traps? And from what I can see it will take quite a bit to get them tuned up to a coilsprings..Like lamination/baseplated..etc...Do any of you have a suggestion on a quailty DLS trap?...Carl
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Post by Kansaskoons on Feb 14, 2011 22:34:58 GMT -6
I had some brand new sleepy creek #4s, they were not near the trap as the old B&L or vics, side by side. I did like the pans better. Get some of the older ones and do full mods, never had any bridgers though.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 14, 2011 22:44:11 GMT -6
why LS begin with?
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Post by chamacat on Feb 15, 2011 6:50:28 GMT -6
Yep...As I trap people that know me are giving me their traps mostly victor 3 dls...So...I was getting a hair to maybe use some of them..BUT..I would take to much time and probably isn't worth it..So I was looking to buy some new one just for giggles..And it looks like to me the days of DLS are almost over..Not much to choose from brand wise...Then i see where bridger doesn't make a #3 at all...I'm only talking about coyotes and cats...Carl |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 15, 2011 7:14:14 GMT -6
Then If I where going to run new LS sleepy creek is the brand I would choose. Adjustable pan and bottom chain connection standard. Or buy some used victors and add PIT pans to them.
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Post by kelly on Feb 15, 2011 9:29:24 GMT -6
Lots of great double longspring traps for sale all the time. I cut my teeth trapping coyotes and cats with this trap and would still use them today if I lived in the West. I have some Victor #3-OS(factory offset jaws) double longsprings that I'd sell. Have way more than I'll ever need or use. Also, if I don't have enough there is a guy in California that has a bunch, too.
Double longsprings and wire screen pans covers-doesn't get any better than this, IMHO.
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Post by garman on Feb 15, 2011 9:54:31 GMT -6
As crazy as this sounds as this sounds I loved #3 dbl longs for coon trapping with drowners, as well as #3 herters coils. Never got into them much for yotes.
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Post by mustelameister on Feb 15, 2011 9:55:52 GMT -6
Then If I where going to run new LS sleepy creek is the brand I would choose. Have you looked at spring strength on new SC longsprings? I wasn't impressed at all with the #2 DLS when I ordered one just to tinker with, but maybe the #3s are okay. Just a thought. |
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Post by mustelameister on Feb 15, 2011 10:04:18 GMT -6
As crazy as this sounds as this sounds I loved #3 dbl longs for coon trapping with drowners I did too up until this year. Got a big schooling with the high waters this year and keeping pocket sets working on a river that fluctuated by feet every couple of days became too much a chore. Even a modified version of the fish stick set became tough to keep working correctly with this fluctuation problem. Got rid of my #3s and now looking to focus on those trails up higher on the bank with footholds in the trails. IMO, #3s are too big for 'coon to drag down the bank and into the water to drown. Especially for the dang 'possum up there. Started this with plain jane Duke #1 1/2s and had good success sliding them down off the bank and into the drink. Same for DPs. Looks dumb as heck with that 3/32" jump rope hanging off the bank, but hey, it works and the water can jump up and down all it wants without bothering the set. Sorry to transgress here, but that's where I'm at with 'em. |
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Post by RiverRat on Feb 15, 2011 10:07:17 GMT -6
As crazy as this sounds as this sounds I loved #3 dbl longs for coon trapping with drowners, as well as #3 herters coils. Never got into them much for yotes. x2 no pull outs and alot a two foot catches on my end using that type of trap. They will hold anything that steps in them from a mink to a coyote/beaver. Amazing how many more extra non targets a guy gets using the right equipment. |
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Post by monttrap04 on Feb 15, 2011 10:45:03 GMT -6
I had some SC #4s that were great traps. One day I decided I needed to have nothing but 7.5" traps for beaver and sold my #4s. I wish I still had them. Not the heaviest traps but adequate IMO.
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Post by mustelameister on Feb 15, 2011 11:06:54 GMT -6
Riverrat--agree wholeheartedly with your observation on the #3 dls. Just can't get everything down the slide wire with those big double longsprings hanging onto 'em. Mink and 'rats especially. I run a multiple day check and expect things to drown.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 15, 2011 16:24:53 GMT -6
Wonder why people think if they lived in the west that the LS would be an ideal trap?
In heavy clay soils and frozen conditions they aren't better than a coil IMO, they take a larger bed and you have more covering to freeze. They aren't near as fast as a coil spring and they all need work to make them as ideal foot comfort wise as a coilspring.
Water sets IMO is where they have an advantage over a coil spring trap, but not land.
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Post by nightstalker1 on Feb 15, 2011 17:06:43 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 15, 2011 17:31:15 GMT -6
Very nice work!!!!!
Still like a bit more offset than what can be found on the older victors though. If they would have made them with a shade deeper offset you could achive lock up with these on pad catches! The lamination really stiffens up the jaws looks like though!
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Post by monttrap04 on Feb 15, 2011 17:35:43 GMT -6
Wonder why people think if they lived in the west that the LS would be an ideal trap? In heavy clay soils and frozen conditions they aren't better than a coil IMO, they take a larger bed and you have more covering to freeze. They aren't near as fast as a coil spring and they all need work to make them as ideal foot comfort wise as a coilspring. Water sets IMO is where they have an advantage over a coil spring trap, but not land. I have often thought the same thing. I wonder if it is because they think we all live in sandy deserts or use nothing but exposed sets in rocks  |
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Post by nightstalker1 on Feb 15, 2011 18:03:42 GMT -6
Very nice work!!!!! Still like a bit more offset than what can be found on the older victors though. If they would have made them with a shade deeper offset you could achive lock up with these on pad catches! The lamination really stiffens up the jaws looks like though! Not a problem...the ones shown started off as REGULAR jaw traps and I ground the offset into the jaw. The offset can be made any size |
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Post by kelly on Feb 15, 2011 18:06:17 GMT -6
Lots of great double longspring traps for sale all the time. I cut my teeth trapping coyotes and cats with this trap and would still use them today if I lived in the West. I have some Victor #3-OS(factory offset jaws) double longsprings that I'd sell. Have way more than I'll ever need or use. Also, if I don't have enough there is a guy in California that has a bunch, too. Double longsprings and wire screen pans covers-doesn't get any better than this, IMHO. Well, I did live in the West(Colorado) when I cut my teeth trapping coyotes and cats. Also, used them in Wisconsin's snow conditions plus Idaho in the 1990's. I find them much easier to bed solid quicker than coils and there is no need to 4 coil/modify them to the hilt like one does with coils. Regarding the Sleepy Creek dls I agree with Mike that the springs are not quite the same as the old Victors, at least they were not on the #2's I had. That said I do like the #4's for Beaver over the Victor. Setting the double longsprings the way I was taught-wire screen pan covers and full notch a above pad catch was virtually assured everytime. Call me a neanderthal for preferring the double longspring. I dare say more coyotes have been caught in #3 DLS than any other trap to date. We have lots of worthless coyotes here but if they'd be worth trapping I'd still use my DLS. |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 15, 2011 19:54:55 GMT -6
The 3 and 3N was also responsable as the trap that caused many peg legs due to the fact of end spring hook up, poor swiveling. The thing with a #3 sized LS trap is the jaw spread isn't close to a 3 coilspring and to me offers NO advantage to efficancty for coyote or cat trapping.
I have used plenty of 3 and 4 victors in years past but fozen conditions not good at all. Plus you dig a larger bed as well. I know plenty of the OLD Govt trappers and how they thought and still do to this day the trap of choice, but if they ever would use a good coilspring trap many would be selling those 3N's on ebay.
Trap technology has come along ways and coil spring bedding make a bowl shaped bed and pack them in and they are very stable. I want pan tension so you either bent the dogs, filed a trigger for pan tension or today I would use the PIT pans on them. Coil springs and qauility ones at that make them the trap of choice for many. The beefy traps bed rock solid in little time.
What ever fits for you.
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Post by RiverRat on Feb 15, 2011 20:40:28 GMT -6
Riverrat--agree wholeheartedly with your observation on the #3 dls. Just can't get everything down the slide wire with those big double longsprings hanging onto 'em. Mink and 'rats especially. I run a multiple day check and expect things to drown. Sorry to hijack the post but. I wanted to add that I have been running the #2 bridger alot less tangles bout the same jawspread . Mink an rats dont have to go down the slide the weight will do them in . I ran the extended checks as well. |
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