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Post by 17HMR on Feb 13, 2007 8:32:35 GMT -6
I tried sharpie black marker on some fur this year to add some spots and had to use borax to get it back off, The sharpie spots looked blue compared to the natural ones, no more of that for me LOL.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Feb 13, 2007 9:32:51 GMT -6
Goddang it guys, this is about turning fur for cripes sakes!!
Go back to your respective corners and cool down before I get out the hog boards like they use at the 4H shows.
Dang bunch of randy old boars!! lol!!
Joel
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 13, 2007 9:57:49 GMT -6
I can piss further than anyone. lol, but only because of the smaller stream and greater pressure with age. it`s a matter of physics. you time wasting boneheads. I gotta run now, I see a potto booking across the yard and I don`t want to miss the rear veiw of the whole thing. tail a bobbing, balls a swinging. tman, you get mad too quick for an easy rider . heck, let the whole thread ride, it`s great education and entertainment both and nobody is bleeding yet.
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Post by Stef on Feb 13, 2007 10:04:01 GMT -6
Thank you all boraxers..LoL I'll try it on my last coyotes as soon as i put my hands on some borax and be back here with my results...Later
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Post by ohiyotee on Feb 13, 2007 10:21:36 GMT -6
heck I'm confident in what i'm doing and it is obvious to all that you are also Steve. I can understand your frustration as you have a lot to contend with as moderator and such. I for one see where you are coming from and yes i realize that you don't need me to renforce that. You have to admit ( aside from the personal attacks and grand standing) with all the stubborness about it makes a guy want to find out what the miracle is. ............. greg
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Post by cameron2 on Feb 13, 2007 10:52:06 GMT -6
Stef:
You can get Borax (it's just a natural mineral called Boron) from the taxidermy supply places. Maybe there's one in Canada that carries it so you could save on the shipping, tariffs, etc. The stuff you get from the taxidermy suppliers is called "powdered broax," and is a finer material than what you get in the grocery stores, but it's all the same stuff. I've noticed that only certain grocery stores in my area carry it, and of course, Wally World carries it.
It's actually mined in Boron, California, between Barstow and Bakersfield. We drive right through Boron on the way to hunt bears. I'll stop in there and pick you up a 100 pounds, and you send me a 100 liters of lure in trade. ;D
Gutpylz, the borax wasn't my idea. It was Hollywood's thing, and he deserves the credit. If any of you have any questions about how to flesh or put up fur using borax, you owe it to yourselves to get Steve Wood's BobCATCHing DVD. By the way, Steve tells me he's planning to release BobCATCHing II later this spring. This passed winter he's shared a couple of the secrets that will be on that new DVD, and I can tell you it will once again "pick it up a notch" when it comes to catching cats. I can hardly wait.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Feb 13, 2007 12:30:35 GMT -6
actually- this thread isn't in any way about borax or time or anything else beyond the simple question-
do you turn your canines tail to mouth or the opposite?
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Feb 13, 2007 12:32:45 GMT -6
Now dangit I told Hollywood about it, if your gonna start giving credit. lol!!
Joel
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Post by cameron2 on Feb 13, 2007 12:36:08 GMT -6
Oh, I'm sure Bob Wendt invented it, but had forgotten about it. lol
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Post by Steve Gappa on Feb 13, 2007 12:44:51 GMT -6
If you enjoy doing it that way, do so by all means. We are all here to expand our horizons. I probably don't catch the numbers that you do. I only caught 31 Coyotes this year, so time was not a factor for me. See- this is what I don't understand. By your post, you imply that Im putting this method down. Please- show me anywhere I said that. In fact, I comment when I first read it- great, we will save a lot of time. But thinking about it- as I've explained- I don't see any time savings. If you do see a time savings- great- I don't- and turning a yote on time- since I too don't get those 15-20 coyote days- Im dealing with 1-6 a day this past year plus fox and coon isn't a problem. When I did it all, it was first thing I did each night and now its the first thing Lori does. Now borax might be the best thing since a coilspring in many other ways. That I don't know.
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Post by GUTPYLZ on Feb 13, 2007 14:06:51 GMT -6
You misunderstood me. What I meant is, if that is the way you want to do it and brings you enjoyment. Stay at it. I'm only a 3rd year Trapper. I have no room to correct someone who has been doing it most their life. I just like talking trapping, and just talking. ;D I can't forget, especially learning.
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 13, 2007 15:07:12 GMT -6
did I? I probably did! but I think I did forget about it. the chits is I paid a guy to show me how to do it after I forgot how.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 13, 2007 16:27:22 GMT -6
Everyone has different methods and different concerns on time.
the saying- there is more than one way to skin a cat- became an old saying for a reason- theres more than one way- and all are correct for the person doing it- if it satisfies their needs.
Lets just look at coyotes. I've seen many skinning videos and demos and while I find them all interesting (and all pretty much similar) I've never seen anything that worked, for me, as well as the way I learned.
On most furs, I'm not a puller. I let the hide do most of the work, and like to be able to spin him around, so I work on the "spot it gives me" rather than pulling it when it doesn't want to go.
I peel the belly loose by hand and cut free, then come around the back legs.
Its easy to the front legs, and I found as many skinners did- the front legs on a coyote can be a real pain.
So there are at least 3 common methods to help this-
1) work the front legs hard, using a dowel or something between the pelt and legs to leverage down.
2) cut off the front legs
3) slit the front legs.
#1 is a pain- not really all that much easier on average - FOR ME
#2- I found on fresh yotes, I got too much blood, but that was really a push- more importantly, I found that I really USED the legs in skinning- to twirl, more often to have against MY leg to hold it still.
#3- I slit the leg from the elbow to an inch from the body. First ring the leg, then slit and it peels right back. Then, when you get to the leg- you just pop it out.
Is one better than the other?
NO
its what works for you.
Do fur long enough, and yo develop your own style.
Take rats- I can't skin one hanging up or holding in my lap- yet many do and are faster than me. But for me, the turn them inside out on a table- is the quickest, easiest, less tiring method- FOR ME.
I've tried many thing in skinning- just about all, I go back to the way I like.
sometimes, I don't..
coon for example- the long belly cut gives you better $$$ on size grade. Started doing it the first coon I had after the demo- and been doing every coon like that for 10 years.
Beaver- always rough skinned on a table- my oh my the time savings in hanging up after belly is free.
Mink pleated tials were all the rage- tried some- hate doing it, hate the way they looked- found out- same price at buyer. Do I pleat tails? Nope.
So I'm not against new methods (to me) or saving time- but if they have no value TO ME or take the same time for the same end result- why use them?
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Post by 17HMR on Feb 13, 2007 18:03:30 GMT -6
Tell me more on hanging the beaver after the belly is free!
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Post by trappnman on Feb 13, 2007 18:09:03 GMT -6
Buzzard taught me this:
open the belly as usual. Work the skin down to the point where you normally would flip it over- and hang it by the tail.
Te pelt just aboput falls off- and the toughest part for me, the back above the tail with all that gristle- just rips off with very little knife work. Both back legs and front come free very easily.
Mainly what it does is make the weight of the pelt work for you.
Give it a try- cut my rough skinning time way down.
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Post by 17HMR on Feb 13, 2007 18:19:09 GMT -6
Ill give it a try, tomorrow I hope.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 13, 2007 18:19:51 GMT -6
A lot less blood mess also...
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Post by Stef on Feb 13, 2007 18:41:24 GMT -6
Steve, when you're done with the belly, legs.. skin all the head below the ears and near the tail...Grab the pelt with the beaver up and hold the pelt firm and pitch the beaver... Done!..LoL
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Post by trappnman on Feb 13, 2007 19:30:21 GMT -6
man stef, I can't even lift the beaver I get.... let alone fling tem... Never heard g tat way- so you are not cutting the skin along backbone? How wide a strip do oyu leave? off topic (lol) but does anyone else gut a rabbit by squeezing? take by head and shake- then grab below front legs, and hand over hand squeeze to vent. Then, holding rabbit belly down, bend your legs and holding rabbit tight with both hands bring arms down hard on legs, and all the guts go flying out back. works perfect. Does not work on jacks or snowshoes.
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Post by coonhangman1 on Feb 13, 2007 20:30:38 GMT -6
T-Man,
Yes, I've seen that done. Use your thumbs and work the innards down and give it a hard fling and the rabbits gutted, nothing to it. lol
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