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Defense
Nov 11, 2015 15:16:39 GMT -6
Post by PamIsMe on Nov 11, 2015 15:16:39 GMT -6
Despite all the recent rhetoric (Republican candidates)about American forces and adding more money to the defense budget to strengthen them, the fact is that we already are the largest, most diverse, heavily financed force in the world. Russia is #2, China #3. India-Pakistan #4 "When you are talking about who the most powerful army in the world is, then you are always talking about technology, experience and money. Generally considered to be one of the wealthiest countries in the world, there is a huge amount of investment going into their Air Force, Navy, and Army. According to several studies, as of 2014 the army of the United States of America is one of the strongest armies in the world, if not the strongest – and that comes down to money. The yearly budget that the United States of America government has allocated to their army is more than six hundred and twelve BILLION dollars. Yup, you read that right: more than six hundred and twelve billion dollars. It is hard to match the global firepower of a country that spends that much on an army! This is probably because, despite not having a single battle on their own soil for tens if not hundreds of years, American troops are currently deployed in nearly one hundred and fifty countries."www.shockpedia.com/29-most-powerful-armies-in-the-world/
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Defense
Nov 13, 2015 20:43:42 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 13, 2015 20:43:42 GMT -6
Pam that is what our military does , make sure to not happen for crying out loud. We do not want nor could afford an extended battle on US soil. Do you think if we ranked 10th in the world we would have less terror attacks on US soil?
We also help out friends to the North and our strong military is a benefit to them as well. In this day and age and what we experienced on 9/11 I don't think many are still beating the band wagon on our military or intelligence is too fat and heavy cuts need to be made, that could be very bad for our country.
We can argue where we need to be in the world, but our strong military has kept others at bay trying to invade our country because of the military might we posses. It is quite impressive and other countries know about the power we have.
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Defense
Nov 13, 2015 23:02:38 GMT -6
Post by PamIsMe on Nov 13, 2015 23:02:38 GMT -6
I agree TC, but I listened to a bunch of Republican candidates standing on a stage the other night and almost all touted how they would make "our" military the strongest in the world. The point IS they already are!
Pam
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Defense
Nov 14, 2015 6:34:10 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 14, 2015 6:34:10 GMT -6
Of course they will state such going to the base, no different than the left talking staunch gun control laws and more federal programs being funded.
Politics. Most people know we have the best military in the world but some like to be reminded why they vote the way they do at times. Shoring up the bases. Been going on for many years.
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Defense
Nov 14, 2015 20:17:02 GMT -6
Post by James on Nov 14, 2015 20:17:02 GMT -6
We spend too much on our military as it is. Good grief, China and Russia have one functioning aircraft carrier group each, we have TWELVE. www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=RussiaOur military budget is one reason we're so far in debt. To advocate more funding for our military, while cutting domestic programs, isn't just party politics--it's obscene. Jim
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Defense
Nov 14, 2015 20:29:11 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 14, 2015 20:29:11 GMT -6
James no offense but that dog won't hunt anymore, we live in a different world and the left mantra of military cuts is very soft anymore.
Our military is no where near the reason we keep making only with n backing and having 17 trillion in debt. In fact most of the companies are here in the US so it is putting people to work, just like the left has advocated for roads and bridge repair.
19 percent on military Medicaid and Medicare and social security are higher than military spending and discretionary spending is At 18 percent real close,to military.
After what just happened in Pairs I am glad we have the best military in the world and good Intel.
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Defense
Nov 14, 2015 22:41:33 GMT -6
Post by bblwi on Nov 14, 2015 22:41:33 GMT -6
Good luck with getting rid of SSI and Medicare with over 55 million using those programs. Medicaid is the government's program to help pay for hospital and health care costs that would go unpaid and the cost past more directly on to all HC users and consumers. If you want to search back to where we got the idea we could cut taxes and increase spending and just borrow more money we only have to go back to Reagan as he initiated huge tax cuts and bigger budgets with more debt. It took a Democrat like Clinton to work to reverse that trend but the GOP found that to be a great way to run a country again. With all the GOP candidates screaming at each other you don't hear any of the poll leading candidates ranting about debt and that is because the rabid Neocons are not conservative regarding spending they are about what is socially important to them. It is always really funny that we see the GOP the ones that want to shut the government down in protest of some bill etc. yet when given the chance to make significant cuts they rarely if ever do. Why? There are two many financially independent citizens that pay for their campaigns and these citizens enjoy loopholes that are really valuable when in higher income brackets or the firms they own or many do the bulk of the government's construction, defense etc.
Bryce
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Defense
Nov 15, 2015 7:38:17 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 15, 2015 7:38:17 GMT -6
Bryce where did I ever state such? lol
I made the point that the military budget is smaller and that is Just factual no where did I state the end of either SSI or Medicare .......,
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Defense
Nov 15, 2015 14:45:15 GMT -6
Post by bblwi on Nov 15, 2015 14:45:15 GMT -6
19 percent on military Medicaid and Medicare and social security are higher than military spending and discretionary spending is At 18 percent real close,to military.
What were you inferring when you responded to Pam's post regarding how much these programs cost? I you selected those two so I was responding. I did not know you used these two as examples, especially Medicaid that is a general revenue payment and not part of FICA
Bryce
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Defense
Nov 15, 2015 14:49:47 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 15, 2015 14:49:47 GMT -6
Not Pams post but James post.........
He stated we have a budget deficit largly in part to military spending just not true.
More so disrentionary spending than military, where many of those jobs are here in the US. ATK, Rockwell and Honeywell employ many Americans making good money off defense contracts.
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Defense
Nov 15, 2015 22:09:12 GMT -6
Post by bblwi on Nov 15, 2015 22:09:12 GMT -6
You can't say one 500 billion dollar government spending causes more debt than another 500 billion dollar program does. They contribute to the debt. Job creation etc. may be an economic or GDP issue but not a debt issue. I am not saying defense is too big or too little, but I don't feel blaming our poor economy, national debt and USA social problems on our poorer citizens is reality. I find it hard to believe if not impossible to believe that 50 million or so Americans that are at or near poverty levels cause our nation all the woes the few wealthy claim they do. They just don't have the political power or money do influence our society much at all if any. I also find it really interesting that hundreds of thousands of small businesses receive billions in grants, low interest loans etc. from our governments every year yet those are not the items that cause the vast majority of our ills.
Bryce
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Defense
Nov 16, 2015 5:22:31 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 16, 2015 5:22:31 GMT -6
Bryce of you can't agree that some of the pet projects are wasteful spending then so be it.
Small business gets help because they are our job creators anymore, large companies many only headquarter here and the jobs are overseas. our manufacturing is way down.
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Defense
Nov 16, 2015 8:17:33 GMT -6
Post by bblwi on Nov 16, 2015 8:17:33 GMT -6
If businesses need that much support at the expense of citizens maybe we need to train better business managers that know how to compete in a world that does not subsidize businesses at the expense of citizens, health care etc. etc. I worked with hundreds of small businesses that receive considerable government grant funds for projects etc. and yes these were helpful but the vast majority that received considerable funds did not take good advantage of those gifts, which is not much different than those that receive other forms of assistance. Human nature is what it is and it basically does not matter much if people are workers, owners or both. We have trained our whole nation to be looking for the free lunch instead of earning our first lunch and then moving forward. If we are going to continually use subjective politics to divide people on our government spending and programs to ditch or support we will continue to move in the direction we are taking now and for the foreseeable future.
Bryce
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Defense
Nov 16, 2015 18:01:32 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 16, 2015 18:01:32 GMT -6
bryce if you think politics will change until we make changes in parties well then you...............
I agree some have trained people that the free lunch is the better way, I am all for anyone who can work should be working if any fed,state money is involved in their income. If they are working great if not then they need to put in 15-20 hrs community service.
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Defense
Nov 16, 2015 23:08:58 GMT -6
Post by bblwi on Nov 16, 2015 23:08:58 GMT -6
I see you quickly jumped on the wager earner as the bad guy here and no mention of the business owner who uses start up grants gets rolling files a business bankruptcy and leaves employees under compensated and many provider not paid and only to be able to move on and do it again. Trump who is one of the top two for the good old GOP has done this 4 times through his business arrangements. Just what we need a leader who feels having someone else pay for his errors is the Good Old American Way.
Bryce
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Defense
Nov 17, 2015 5:46:56 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 17, 2015 5:46:56 GMT -6
Easy to fix quit making corporate bankruptcy so easy for them.
Not on the wage earner the lazy and yes our country has plenty of lazy in it just a fact.
What do you see wrong with those working less than 10 hrs a week and collecting help doing community service?
Betting the business owner is working more hours per week correct for that subsidy
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Defense
Nov 18, 2015 7:05:46 GMT -6
Post by bobbrennan1 on Nov 18, 2015 7:05:46 GMT -6
Deport illegals, stop welfare to able bodied non workers who can replace illegals, and cut farm subsidies!
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Defense
Nov 18, 2015 10:28:48 GMT -6
Post by bblwi on Nov 18, 2015 10:28:48 GMT -6
Easy fix! Why is that not occurring then? You make generalized statements about how quick and easy to change politics and the past history, current debates etc. indicate more of the same for a long time. There is no political candidate talking about the real deep changes necessary to change our current course. When we have candidates running to target funding sources be they wealthy corporations and wealthy owners or serious advocates of social systems the changes you cavalierly reference will not be easy and maybe not even probable. In the modern world of employment and career we may need to redefine what "able bodied" means as far as employment. When WI moved forward in the 1990s with Welfare to work the program largely failed due to the fact that most business owners and companies were unwilling to invest the time to get beginning skill workers up to speed and also were at that time not willing to work with flex schedules that allowed for child care issues and educational issues. This was a program launched by a GOP governor so it was not a political issue of not supporting it because the "wrong side" rolled it out.
Bryce
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Defense
Nov 18, 2015 17:56:51 GMT -6
Post by bobbrennan1 on Nov 18, 2015 17:56:51 GMT -6
What I mention will NEVER happen because there are politicians involved! It isn't the responsibility of the employer to worry about the child care! It's the workers! The employer employs and does not work around the employees schedule he is the one who pays therefore he calls the shots! He also has all of the risk and a possible big pay off!
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Defense
Nov 18, 2015 20:29:45 GMT -6
Post by bblwi on Nov 18, 2015 20:29:45 GMT -6
Yes that may be for many standard careers but you would be very, very surprised to see how many firms offer high degrees of flex to many workers, millions of them in fact. That may not be as common in lower level beginning jobs but we have several businesses such as Acuity with 1500 employees plus with day care centers, family time and all sorts of flex time and schedules. We also see many places that offer full time positions with benefits and two persons share the job 50-50. As we become more and more a service and health care economy those options will be even more prevalent.
Bryce
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