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Members of the Chicago Police Department work the scene of a police-involved shooting on the 7800 block of South King Drive in Chicago on Saturday, Aug. 15, 2015. Armando L. Sanchez/Chicago Tribune/TNS© Armando L. Sanchez/Chicago Tribune/TNS Members of the Chicago Police Department work the scene of a police-involved shooting on the 7800 block of South King Drive in Chicago on Saturday, Aug. 15, 2015…
WASHINGTON — One evening in late August, not three blocks from President Barack Obama's Chicago home, someone in a passing car pulled up to a silver Volkswagen and fired several shots through the driver's side window, killing the driver.
The suspected gang shooting happened close to a playground, an elementary school and a high school, where football practice was wrapping up for the night.
The crime terrified Obama's old neighbors and highlighted just how closely the problem of gun violence hits for the president as it rages unabated in Chicago. Obama's home city is at the center of a debate about the effectiveness of the kinds of gun laws the president backs.
Critics say the stream of deadly shootings are proof that gun laws don't work, given the tough stance Chicago officials adopted toward gun ownership in the 1980s and 1990s.
But Obama's team believes that Chicago, with its 408 homicides so far this year, is evidence of the need for exactly what he's pushing: national laws that make it harder to get around the local restrictions simply by driving across a state or city line.
"It's the patchwork of laws that doesn't serve us," said one Obama adviser. "People just go to other jurisdictions with looser laws."
Obama will talk about the need for tougher gun laws with police chiefs gathered in Chicago on Tuesday, aides say, as part of a broader conversation about violence and how police can work more effectively with their communities to combat it.
He's traveling to Chicago because that's the site of the annual gathering of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, but advisers say he's well aware of the symbolism in returning to his hometown amid this debate.
Chicago has long been a battleground for both pro- and anti-gun forces. Three decades ago, in the wake of the assassination attempts on President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II, the City Council banned new sales and registration of handguns in 1982. Chicago was the first major city to take that step.
Now, with Obama renewing his rhetoric about more gun control in the wake of massacres at a church in South Carolina and a community college in Oregon, and considering imposing gun safety rules by executive order, critics once again are pointing to the president's hometown for proof of the folly.
Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina and Chris Christie have talked about gun deaths in Chicago in arguing against the need for stricter gun-safety laws.
"You look at Chicago, it's got the toughest gun laws in the United States," Trump told ABC News this month. "You look at other places where they have gun laws that are very tough, they do, generally speaking, worse than anybody else."
The argument isn't as clear-cut as the candidates make it. Although the City Council drew attention for its strict gun laws in the 1980s, the Supreme Court decided in 2010 that Chicago's handgun ban violated the Second Amendment.
Academics have never conclusively proved a causal relationship between tougher gun laws and lower crime rates, though nationwide surveys conducted by gun control groups strongly suggest one.
That's enough for the president to conclude that tougher laws are worth a try, but not enough for skeptics who think it doesn't merit government intrusion into private gun ownership.
Chicago offers evidence for both sides.
For gun control advocates, Illinois is something of a model. The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence gave Illinois a B-plus grade in 2014 for its laws, behind only a handful of states with tougher regulations.
But at the same time, Chicago has seen a spike in violence, inspiring the nickname "Chi-raq." The city has recorded almost as many homicides so far this year as it did in all of last year. In August alone, the month that the suspected gang shooting occurred near the president's home, there were 54 homicides.
"Chicago just does not look like a good case study for gun control," said Eugene Kontorovich, a professor at Northwestern University Law School who researches and writes on the subject. "That's a reality that all who support gun control proposals have to keep in mind. The world is permeable."
But for Obama's neighbors, including the lawmaker who took his seat in the Illinois Senate, the Chicago ordinances and Illinois laws never had a chance to work because of the city's proximity to states with much laxer laws. The city is within a two-hour drive of Milwaukee, and Gary, Ind., is so close it is practically a suburb. Their states earned a C-minus and D-minus for their gun laws, respectively.
In fact, about 60 percent of the guns associated with crimes in Chicago come from out of state, according to Chicago Police Department statistics. Mississippi, with an F on the score card, is another source.
"You can pass all the laws you want, but if people can just drive to Indiana, Wisconsin and Mississippi, it doesn't make a difference if nothing is done at the federal level," said state Sen. Kwame Raoul.
On Raoul's street, not far from the Obama family home, there have been two shootings in the last two months. He is so worried about the safety of his teenagers that he doesn't let them walk anywhere. He drives them.
When he travels to Springfield, the capital, to debate the subject with lawmakers from around the state, however, he worries about the overemphasis on urban violence. In a recent debate about the heroin problem seeping out of cities and into rural areas, he drew a parallel to gun violence.
"These problems don't remain quarantined," Raoul said. "They are coming to your community, too."
Skeptics such as Kontorovich agree that borders governing gun laws are porous, but they question whether another layer of laws or executive orders will make any difference.
"The reality is that state and local borders are permeable," Kontorovich said. "But national licensing laws will only regulate the legal market, not the black market."
WASHINGTON — One evening in late August, not three blocks from President Barack Obama's Chicago home, someone in a passing car pulled up to a silver Volkswagen and fired several shots through the driver's side window, killing the driver.
The suspected gang shooting happened close to a playground, an elementary school and a high school, where football practice was wrapping up for the night.
The crime terrified Obama's old neighbors and highlighted just how closely the problem of gun violence hits for the president as it rages unabated in Chicago. Obama's home city is at the center of a debate about the effectiveness of the kinds of gun laws the president backs.
Critics say the stream of deadly shootings are proof that gun laws don't work, given the tough stance Chicago officials adopted toward gun ownership in the 1980s and 1990s.
But Obama's team believes that Chicago, with its 408 homicides so far this year, is evidence of the need for exactly what he's pushing: national laws that make it harder to get around the local restrictions simply by driving across a state or city line.
"It's the patchwork of laws that doesn't serve us," said one Obama adviser. "People just go to other jurisdictions with looser laws."
Obama will talk about the need for tougher gun laws with police chiefs gathered in Chicago on Tuesday, aides say, as part of a broader conversation about violence and how police can work more effectively with their communities to combat it.
He's traveling to Chicago because that's the site of the annual gathering of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, but advisers say he's well aware of the symbolism in returning to his hometown amid this debate.
Chicago has long been a battleground for both pro- and anti-gun forces. Three decades ago, in the wake of the assassination attempts on President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II, the City Council banned new sales and registration of handguns in 1982. Chicago was the first major city to take that step.
Now, with Obama renewing his rhetoric about more gun control in the wake of massacres at a church in South Carolina and a community college in Oregon, and considering imposing gun safety rules by executive order, critics once again are pointing to the president's hometown for proof of the folly.
Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina and Chris Christie have talked about gun deaths in Chicago in arguing against the need for stricter gun-safety laws.
"You look at Chicago, it's got the toughest gun laws in the United States," Trump told ABC News this month. "You look at other places where they have gun laws that are very tough, they do, generally speaking, worse than anybody else."
The argument isn't as clear-cut as the candidates make it. Although the City Council drew attention for its strict gun laws in the 1980s, the Supreme Court decided in 2010 that Chicago's handgun ban violated the Second Amendment.
Academics have never conclusively proved a causal relationship between tougher gun laws and lower crime rates, though nationwide surveys conducted by gun control groups strongly suggest one.
That's enough for the president to conclude that tougher laws are worth a try, but not enough for skeptics who think it doesn't merit government intrusion into private gun ownership.
Chicago offers evidence for both sides.
For gun control advocates, Illinois is something of a model. The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence gave Illinois a B-plus grade in 2014 for its laws, behind only a handful of states with tougher regulations.
But at the same time, Chicago has seen a spike in violence, inspiring the nickname "Chi-raq." The city has recorded almost as many homicides so far this year as it did in all of last year. In August alone, the month that the suspected gang shooting occurred near the president's home, there were 54 homicides.
"Chicago just does not look like a good case study for gun control," said Eugene Kontorovich, a professor at Northwestern University Law School who researches and writes on the subject. "That's a reality that all who support gun control proposals have to keep in mind. The world is permeable."
But for Obama's neighbors, including the lawmaker who took his seat in the Illinois Senate, the Chicago ordinances and Illinois laws never had a chance to work because of the city's proximity to states with much laxer laws. The city is within a two-hour drive of Milwaukee, and Gary, Ind., is so close it is practically a suburb. Their states earned a C-minus and D-minus for their gun laws, respectively.
In fact, about 60 percent of the guns associated with crimes in Chicago come from out of state, according to Chicago Police Department statistics. Mississippi, with an F on the score card, is another source.
"You can pass all the laws you want, but if people can just drive to Indiana, Wisconsin and Mississippi, it doesn't make a difference if nothing is done at the federal level," said state Sen. Kwame Raoul.
On Raoul's street, not far from the Obama family home, there have been two shootings in the last two months. He is so worried about the safety of his teenagers that he doesn't let them walk anywhere. He drives them.
When he travels to Springfield, the capital, to debate the subject with lawmakers from around the state, however, he worries about the overemphasis on urban violence. In a recent debate about the heroin problem seeping out of cities and into rural areas, he drew a parallel to gun violence.
"These problems don't remain quarantined," Raoul said. "They are coming to your community, too."
Skeptics such as Kontorovich agree that borders governing gun laws are porous, but they question whether another layer of laws or executive orders will make any difference.
"The reality is that state and local borders are permeable," Kontorovich said. "But national licensing laws will only regulate the legal market, not the black market."
