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Post by PamIsMe on Nov 5, 2015 23:51:45 GMT -6
" Also a social issue as many times parents are in denial that there kid has issues thus not seeking help that is needed." That's true, I know of several families who so wanted their kids to be "normal" and insisted they be mainstreamed in and not in special ed in school. My friend really thought her son would grow out of his temper and learn to control it. Instead, it gets worse as he gets older. In at least 2 cases in the past year a parent bought guns and showed the kid how to use them, no doubt thinking that would make him safe with a gun. The one kid shot his mother first before he went to a school. Who in their right mind would have guns around the house when they know their kid has mental problems? Probably nothing to be done about that. IMHO the worst that ever happened was when the decision was made to cut funding and close down mental institutions. De-institutionalization was one of the Conservative hero Reagan's great ideas. www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappnman on Nov 6, 2015 6:43:16 GMT -6
now that TRay we agree on- money does need to be cut from somewhere-
would you agree, that the billions in oil company subsidies, night be a place to start?
----------- and the cutting in funding has continued- its one of the ironic things about the whole issue
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Post by TRay on Nov 6, 2015 16:36:19 GMT -6
Why oil? Here as in most western and costal states oil money has allowed us to invest a bunch of money into our education systems. Teachers are paid more allowing states to get the best educators, newer up to date schools are built and more classes are offered. Even more money is spent on special education. Colleges get more money for research projects some which might even benefit research on special education. The reason budgets have been cut in some programs is the demand for more money in other social programs, such as welfare and health care. Again thou I will say that funding, at least here is not a issue. Yes programs have been cut or reduced but generally it's because new programs or ideas are in place, or it's been determined they are not working or cost effective to the taxpayer.
Now what was this thread about. lol
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Post by trappnman on Nov 7, 2015 7:05:54 GMT -6
why oil? seriously?
I guess its not spending money you object to, only spending money for programs or industrys not on your A list-
why oil indeed- perhaps because they get billions in tax moneys, subsidies and credits- all the while making billions in record profits.
the question should be- why NOT oil?
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Post by bblwi on Nov 8, 2015 23:14:27 GMT -6
You don't want it to be political yet you jump on the cuts you don't prefer or the industries you don't want to be taxed more or subsidized less? Now that is political from the get go. If you don't think mental health is a political issue why not read some history regarding this subject as to internments etc.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 11, 2015 7:26:37 GMT -6
Tman everyone who has a 401 plan has money invested in oil. Oil is a commodity that we rely on every day of our lives. Many areas can reap lots of taxes dollars from oil at the local levels.
For every dollar. You say they are subsidized they are also paying much in the way of taxes on, not too mention every time we go to the pump to buy a gallon of gas we have .28- .45 in taxation applied to us. Depending on gas prices that could mean 10 percent or 20 percent.
Everyone has ideals and thoughts on things that is human nature. They get brought into our congressional,people and then they become political. Been that way for a long time.
All,depends on your ideals and what you think America should be or could be.
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Post by trappnman on Nov 28, 2015 13:13:24 GMT -6
oh, so if it benefits you- you are ok with things?
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Post by bobbrennan1 on Nov 28, 2015 14:31:43 GMT -6
Why should any business be subsidized? And we need to make better deals as far as import and export goes!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 28, 2015 17:43:31 GMT -6
Tman the benefits of oil investments go far above and behind me LOL. It effects many people either in a positive way or negative, but if anyone has money invested your into the oil futures. It makes people money. Investors don't stay in business loosing your money! Beats the bank by a lot!
We are paying for it on fur prices with low crude oil as well...........
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Post by trappnman on Nov 29, 2015 9:36:06 GMT -6
justice, or fair play for me, doesn't revolve around me
but nice to know values can be bought and sold
no wonder we need someone like Bernie!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 29, 2015 14:32:24 GMT -6
Neither does crude oil investments they are bought into by millions and millions of people and entities to make a profit at times! Every stock we buy into, is one from an evil corporate empire !
Also our very own President was buying and selling values whe he tried to get hobby lobby forced into offering things on their healthcare plan they did not believe in. At least when we buy stocks we have the freedom to choose which ones we buy into correct?
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Post by trappnman on Dec 1, 2015 7:49:39 GMT -6
yes, oil, like values, can be bought and sold.
I guess the only difference is my values aren't for sale- never have been, never will be
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 2, 2015 20:34:03 GMT -6
Tman if you have investments you better look at your portfolio I am betting you will find some of your vales are for sale..............
You buy the very product from the people you dislike that being the oil barrens do you not? That is selling your values, as you I power them with each gallon at the pump. If you really didn't want your values about oil compromised you would be making your own fuel. lol
I know a few anti govt types who do just that, they have spent 30,000-50,000 on a machine that will make them their own bio diesel to be ran in their truck and tractors.
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Post by bblwi on Dec 2, 2015 22:43:53 GMT -6
Oil, coal, lumber, jets, military hardware is not what many dislike it is the attitudes of privilege that many owners and major share holders feel they are owed due to their status and they do prove that money does buy access and privilege.
It took millions and millions of voters decades to just get safer working conditions and a stable work week, yet it only takes a few a couple years to make major changes that impact our society greatly. These same firms harp constantly about high taxes yet benefit greatly from federal and state contracts and enjoy receiving huge tax savings in donating to charities that they single out yet lobby against government that tries to help needy improve their lives and lobby against those who want to earn a better living at entry level jobs. This type of almost bi-polar behavior is pretty much the norm for America today and I find it a large contributor toward a dysfunctional and unraveling society. We created corporations to allow businesses greater opportunity to be productive and profitable and that has and is taking place but they have taken on a "person" aspect and now a piece of paper has more status than the majority of our citizens do.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Dec 3, 2015 16:14:41 GMT -6
not me- I choose a different station each time and drive away-
so far, so good!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 5, 2015 6:50:57 GMT -6
Your still paying evil corporate oil companies for your fuel though.............. Lining their pockets with each gallon and making them have more power all the time LOL.
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