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Post by bblwi on Nov 1, 2015 22:41:13 GMT -6
Yes there will always be violent crimes but the thing that is not funny is that the legislatures that advocate more enforcement are most times the ones that want to lower public spending and that includes, security and prosecutors, so you are in many ways promoting a system that you have worked to create the shortages and then complain about the lack of enforcement and speedy legal action.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 2, 2015 5:31:42 GMT -6
Misnomer is all Bryce. Where has our trials and court system changed under a democratic controlled period of time?
Texas still has the death penalty, many of your Liberial states do not. Look at the list and one will see those that do not are mainly democratic voting states, so we could conclude they aren't tough on violent crime as well.
I don't think to many gun owners would have a problem adding 1-3.00 per gun purchase for a better background check if that meant the left every time there is a shooting would stop talking about taking away more rights from people. Problem being them stop talking about it,as again it comes back to a base and keeping them happy with such talk and rhetoric.
They know the only thing more gun laws will do is hamper the legal gun Owners but in their mind it is how many less guns can we keep from being sold. As long as people are buying them by the laws set fourth it is no ones business how many are purchased by people. In fact the talk of such in 2012 boosted gun sales in 2013 to over 10 million firearms manufactured that year. Yes been good for the economy and Pitt / Robertson money on the excise taxes!
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Post by trappnman on Nov 5, 2015 7:45:27 GMT -6
TC- please comment on the fact that Bush and his justice team ,sided with DC, to LIMIT and define the 2nd, to militias ONLY.
please read the above again- and THINK on what it would have meant
why did that not make you hate republicans forever?
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Post by PamIsMe on Nov 6, 2015 0:00:07 GMT -6
"...those that do not are mainly democratic voting states, so we could conclude they aren't tough on violent crime as well."
Life in prison is a penalty in all states, that seems pretty tough on violent crime to me. I find it ironic that conservatives who are so vehement about the sanctity of life would be for the death penalty when they know for a fact that many innocent people have been to death.
Pam
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Post by trappnman on Nov 6, 2015 6:38:43 GMT -6
it seems many conservatives, are only worried about life before birth..................
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Post by bblwi on Nov 8, 2015 23:18:25 GMT -6
I don't feel we should let you get off as easy as a misnomer as that does not summarize your stances and statements in past posts. While your at it why not define or outline your definition of a "better background system" I am sure there are millions of gun advocates that would love to know what your thoughts are.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 9, 2015 21:04:52 GMT -6
Tman DC was on the issue of pistols correct? Do I feel he did the right thing? Nope. I also feel the Supreme Court did by opening up more states the rig to carry and conceal as well.
Never got to ask Bush why he felt that way. But overall republicans are more pro gun than democrats that is a fact by looking up voting records on such and who has overturned things like the AR ban as well. Bush senior also stopped short on mandatory 3/5 day waiting periods instead in favor of instant background checks.
I also suspect he wanted the Supreme Court to rule on such so the people of all states had a more clear and defining result to the overbearing actions of areas like DC which they did and allowed DC residents to own and have in their home handguns not just long guns,
Bryce a better background check is simple get all the data into the data base, some states do a better job than others when it comes to such. The NICS isn't just pulling in datat by themselves they rely on each and every state to let them know who,what,where and when. Reporting mental issues is a big one and many states fail to do a good job on that one.
Again no system will ever be 100 percent, but it could be some better, yet still does a good job when considering shear numbers of phone calls done annually. Millions and millions.
Pam many do not have a problem with the death penalty for cases that are extreme. An eye for an eye not a hand for an eye is what the bible teaches us.
Wonder why so many liberials have no problem killing live healthy unborn babies and selling body parts? Yet can still go to church on Sunday's after voting for such?
at least the bible does state an eye for an eye......................
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 9, 2015 21:06:32 GMT -6
Wonder what would happen if people started cutting out unborn dog puppies from pregnant female dogs because they do not want any puppies in their house? How would the media handle such? I often wonder that myself?
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Post by bblwi on Nov 9, 2015 23:24:29 GMT -6
Pet owners solve that by spaying their female dogs. Are you suggesting a sterilization system that would be preferable over choice?
Expound on that stance if you would.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Nov 10, 2015 2:04:06 GMT -6
"Wonder why so many liberials have no problem killing live healthy unborn babies.."
I can only speak for me but I don't consider a fetus a baby. It's a bunch of cells until the point it could live outside the womb, which is generally about after 22 weeks, and that's iffy.
"Problem being them stop talking about it,as again it comes back to a base and keeping them happy with such talk and rhetoric..." Sort of like the conservatives talking about right to choose and getting rid of Obamacare constantly, issues which have been settled, no? lol
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 10, 2015 6:14:29 GMT -6
Bryce we all know not all dogs get "fixed" so again how would the media handle such? Betting far different than a human doing the same.
Pam my wife has had a miscarriage, I can tell you it is more than just some tissue in the minds of many who have had such happen.
So if that is your stance and that of pro abortion crowd then the dog puppies would be of little interest to the media and the left correct? We know the answer to that!
Would love to see one vet decided hey there is a niche market here I can tap into, just to see how the uproar would be handled.
We have Obamacare correct. settled? far from it, the form it is in today needs some tweaking or it will not be sustaining.
By the time Obama leaves office we will have 20 trillion in debt, how far can we go? Each president has added to it for some time for sure but Obama has taken it to a new level. At some point inflation will have to come into play, our govt can't keep borrowing free money we do not have!
The one sector that has shined under Obama is the shooting sports industry record sales and profits gained because of the rhetoric of the left and some people just being paranoid I will agree, but after the Clinton years and some states doing what they did, well can see why gun and ammunition sales have been at historic records.
The loosing of conceal carry laws in many states where some officials had too much power to deny the 2nd amendment has sure played into the high sales of handguns.
Again all taxation for the federal coffers people should be happy, at least one sector has done well under the Obama leadership.
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Post by bblwi on Nov 10, 2015 19:33:39 GMT -6
We did not have a Supreme Court decision for non humans. My take on abortion or the right to choose is that be one liberal or conservative or a Bible reader or not, an issue such as abortion should have never been a political issue that we use to drive wedges between Americans. That decision should be made by the pregnant female, her family is desired and the medical staff involved. I guess I just don't get into those that use scripture to say a specific event or procedure should not take place and then break or ignore thousands of other statements that scripture gives us. Bible versus of and for convenience does not to me make for a strong, functional and useful faith.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Nov 11, 2015 1:14:16 GMT -6
How does the President (or Feds) have responsibility for arresting and prosecuting criminals with guns in a city? Isn't that the responsibility of the police and court system in their own jurisdiction?
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 11, 2015 6:30:18 GMT -6
Bryce it becomes a political issue because we are dealing with human lives, the issue is when one considers life to begin and end. Much of that comes from faith.
Non so of us a perfect.
Pam ATF is in charge of firearms overall. You have fed laws and state laws.
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Post by PamIsMe on Nov 11, 2015 15:26:47 GMT -6
"You have fed laws and state laws,,,"
that's my point. If a gang banger was in the back of a police last week, then it the police and local jurisdiction who is letting them loose, not the President.
Pam
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Post by bblwi on Nov 11, 2015 19:20:16 GMT -6
So what you are saying is that organ transplants that save lives should be political as well? There are hundreds of families weekly or even daily that have to make end of life decisions and I don't see a rush by politicians to be involved with those choices. I guess terminally ill more mature persons don't create the same level of intensity as do unborn fetuses.
Bryce
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Post by RShaw on Nov 11, 2015 21:55:58 GMT -6
The level of intensity increases when the unborn baby does not have a say if his/her life should be terminated.
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Post by bblwi on Nov 11, 2015 22:12:53 GMT -6
Some adults don't have that ability either.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 12, 2015 5:53:14 GMT -6
Bryce my grandmother who was 94 years and 5 months of age died on Novemebr 2nd we buried her last Saturday a great lady and a strong catholic faith. She had a massive stroke and made it one week , a tough time for sure, seeing her lay like that but she was made comfortable and her faith would not allow her to go any other way than the lord intended. She made the comment she was ready to go see grandpa a few of her last words.
Sometimes I think the ending of a life is not for that life, but for others to feel more instant relief. Hospice was excellent in their handling of my grandmother and explaining how things work win the human body at such times and the meds used to keep her comfortable.
Many religions the taking of ones life is not in the cards.
Pam and it is not my fault as a legal gun owner that the gang Banger goes out on the streets and buys a stolen gun. Yet it is the president who calls for and the congressional folks who vote for tougher and tougher gun laws that do little to nothing to curb such from happening.
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Post by bblwi on Nov 12, 2015 10:56:54 GMT -6
Yes it is fitting to consider all aspects of end of life and you don't think many of those thoughts are not taken into consideration on the other end as well?
Bryce
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