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Post by bblwi on Jan 16, 2016 23:37:25 GMT -6
You did not say bad people you stated bad areas. I was hoping you would enlighten as to your definition, scope and size of these bad areas. Bad people live all over and there are probably percentage wise as many in rural America as urban America, there are just so fewer rural citizens. Also with the younger people moving to the metro areas for work and also finding life partners the rural areas have the highest average age and the lowest percentage of school age youth so if we work to cut funding in these areas we will increase what you already have stated is a large and growing problem.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Jan 17, 2016 2:06:50 GMT -6
This guy?
"Previously in 1986, he adopted a sixth grade class at an underperforming public school by guaranteeing college scholarships to students that graduated from high school. His idea was this would be an incentive to students to engage in academics with his goal being that 90% of those students successfully complete high school. However, only 33% of the students in the class eventually graduated from high school. Jones believed he "vastly underestimated both the academic and social challenges facing [the students in the class he adopted]" and his program was "completely ill-equipped to [help them] in an efficient fashion."[29] In a 2009 speech, Jones stated he viewed this endeavor as a major failure on his part and a motivation to provide more comprehensive programs for assisting students from disadvantaged backgrounds in future efforts."
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Post by trappnman on Jan 17, 2016 8:01:21 GMT -6
you sound like a politician- saying "I never said THAT" but what you did say, left no doubt as to your beliefs
so busing is your solution?
reducing /ending poverty is MY solution
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Post by bobbrennan1 on Jan 17, 2016 8:29:51 GMT -6
The school he has now started at a younger age and I would bet on his current effort. Bbwi I did not say to cut funding! Read my lips no funding cuts for education!(that was called a joke) Pam I understand what you are saying with past numbers of students graduating but I have faith in him to have addressed those issues he is very much a performance based guy just my opinion. What do you guys Pam, bbwi, and tman believe the solution to be? Not just increase funding but what to use increase for? I have 2 sisters that are retired teachers who purchased classroom supplies with their money so I do understand funding but buying pencils and paper alone won't cure the education problem. I think that so much of the problem is a parenting problem and a problem with people being responsible for their children at a young age. From what I have seen I believe all three of you have family's and are proud of your kids I believe you probably raised your kids with good values such as work hard, get good grades in school, and pay your own way and be proud of who you are. I also believe that if your child needed help with school you did your best to help them and I believe that its things like that that are missing in children. One last thing and then I will probably be done with this thread who I am personally it's been insinuated that I am some redneck racist homophobe that doesn't understand ill eagle immigration and hates pretty much everyone and everything so here you go I shoe horses for wealthy clients from the n.y.c. Metro area a lot of the grooms who I am friends with are Hispanic illegals the trainers and riders are a large percentage gay, and believe it or not I have over the years have had several black friends and believe it or not most of them came from under privleged backgrounds.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 17, 2016 8:46:06 GMT -6
well bob- all we have to go on is what you post- and your later posts, have pulled back quite a bit from your original post about "them"
but I'll accept that you did not mean what your words implied.
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lack of respect is something that does seem to be systemic- for example, look at the rhetoric from the GOP candidates- how can you expect more from children, then you do from presidential candidates?
the solution, is to even the playing field. to not cut programs that reduce poverty, to reduce health care. a good start is to increase the minimum wage. a good start is affordable higher education. A good start is to let the American Dream, apply to all
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Post by bblwi on Jan 17, 2016 12:28:04 GMT -6
Your statement clearly stated that spending money on schools in your definition of "bad areas" was like flushing it down a toilet. I read that as no increase in spending our by your post referencing this spending none there. You also assume that all that want to can freely move or go to other schools. You clearly have little to know idea of what poverty and low income mean to families. The poorest people are the least mobile in the USA or the World. Evan if there was funds available many families could not afford to have their children bused or housed away from home areas. The idea that most choose to live the way they do because they lack initiative or are too willing to just take the subsidy really paints the incorrect picture of what being in poverty is essentially about. I feel your attitude that youth unfortunately born of the wrong parents are just so much waste is unfortunate. I experienced extreme rural poverty and I for one am glad there were neighbors who were more proactive about my potential and future than you are.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Jan 18, 2016 14:40:44 GMT -6
" I think that so much of the problem is a parenting problem and a problem with people being responsible for their children at a young age."
True, but its fact of life that some people just cannot and should not raise kids, but have them anyway. A friend once did a thesis on the the importance of love, nurturing, and touching in a child's first year. If they don't get affection it affects them all their lives. Too many kids in our country are neglected, abused, beaten and go hungry every day. Yet, there are people who can't see value in food stamps, free meals at school,4 year old kindergartens or subsidized pre-schools. IMHO instead of pushing for free college tuition we should be pushing for free day care and preschools for those who can't afford them. If we could get little kids out of their impoverished environments for even a few hours every day, it'd be a good start toward a better future outcome for them.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by bblwi on Jan 18, 2016 16:04:45 GMT -6
No one asked for your pedigree but just because you work for wealthy individuals does not make one a better person in my opinion. What we were questioning is your statements regarding how to best work with the social issues in some of the areas you designated as wastes of time and resources. The fact that you work with Hispanics makes you similar to thousands of owners and consultants around the whole nation, many of whom are not legally here. Most of the larger dairies I worked with here hire up to 30 or so Hispanics, many of which I have had in our dairy classes over the years. Not saying you are all the things that you inferred that we thought or think you are but if we are going to make changes in these blighted areas we need to know who the persons are that we need to assist and also those who will oppose the initiatives or efforts.
Bryce
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Post by bobbrennan1 on Jan 18, 2016 18:55:09 GMT -6
Bottom line help who you want nothing stopping you dig deep and give all you want it doesn't have to be government. Go volunteer give money there is no shortage of people to help it's a great thing but never be disappointed when they let you down and some will I think it's so much better than a government agency doing it.
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Post by bblwi on Jan 18, 2016 22:04:20 GMT -6
Well I can do what you do as well. You wanted to make sure that we knew you were not a redneck etc. etc. and that you worked with wealthy people and you probably assume then that most of us just harp and whine and don't contribute. Well I am in leadership positions in 6 organizations, (church two, VFW, retired educators, trapping, local conservation countywide, land conservancy committee etc. Are charitable donations average over 13% of our pre tax income each year. So I say we do our part and hope that we can make some positive changes. Where we really differ is you feel government is not able, or capable of being able to help society. I feel that government has a huge stake in the improvement of our citizens and that we will all benefit from a government proactively involved in improving all citizens. Your insinuations that we do our charitable activities just for our satisfaction and we will be disappointed by those that don't take our efforts seriously shows to me that you believe in conditional charity and help. I do so because I was taught to help regardless of the way it was or is received.
Bryce
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Post by bobbrennan1 on Jan 18, 2016 23:29:15 GMT -6
I'm sorry we don't speak the same language my point for giving my info was to let you know I don't care who people are black white gay rich poor or liberal my last post is just saying I don't care what you do with your money or time if you want to help people then cool! I'll make sure I only post on the trapping section in the future it hopefully will be easier to have a conversation
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